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[Vielleicht]

Suprised we don't appear to have a thread for this yet, so... hello

 

Friday Livestream is here

 

 

[Ben1445]

Ah thanks, forgot this was on 

[Branislav]

Is this some competition race? Time trial?

[basimi]

I’ve been there once with my dad and brother. It’s a really nice festival, with lots of different cars and “races” to look at. You can also touch and look at all of the cars, while standing next to it.

We drove from the Netherlands to Goodwood with and old Lotus Super Seven and BMW 3-Series to make it kind of a road trip. And when the weather is nice, it sure is a nice place.

You can stay on the campsite, which we did. Really well organised. Definitely recommend to go there sometime.

[Myrvold]

Is this some competition race? Time trial?

It's a festival, a show, a look at motorsport history.
And yes, a time trial that some take extremely seriously

[paulb]

Gil de Ferran doing some intentional lawn mowing.

[muramasa]

[muramasa]

[Burai]

Swore off it ever again after the heat of last year, but this weekend is forecast in the low 20s and I'm regretting it already.

 

Next year it is then!

[johnwilliamdavies]

Formula 1 cars are back on again soon.

[paulb]

Stewart tribute including Sir Jackie was special.

[Vielleicht]

Well that was fun!

 

Romain Dumas has broken Heidfeld's 1999 record in the all electric I.D. R

 

And it's only Friday practice!

[JHSingo]

 

Romain Dumas has broken Heidfeld's 1999 record in the all electric I.D. R

 

 

 

Hmm...

 

I've a friend who worked for a time with a team on the British Hillclimb scene. I remember him telling me that he was absolutely sure that a British Hillclimb car would've beaten Heidfeld's old record a long time ago, but they were never invited. He had (perhaps a quite cynical) view that there was no desire from FoS officials to see the F1 record beaten by a car/driver combination that didn't have as broad appeal, or wasn't as marketable.

 

Me thinks they've found their new "sexy" record holder. An impressive time no doubt, but I'm not looking forward to all the inevitable crowing about how an electric car is now faster than an F1 car et cetera et cetera.

Edited by JHSingo, 05 July 2019 - 19:27.

[Tim Murray]

It’s certainly the case that reigning British Hillclimb Champion Graeme Wight Jr was invited to the FoS in 2003. His official time was a tad slower than Heidfeld’s 1999 time, but a lot of people believe that he actually set a time which was faster than Heidfeld’s, but this time got ‘lost’ as, at that time, the people at Goodwood didn’t want to have the record taken away from an F1 team. I have no idea whether this story is true or not.

[ANF]

So tomorrow's programme begins at 08:30 local time with Batch 2 – Drift, Rally, Saloons and NASCAR.
Full schedule: https://www.goodwood...peed/programme/

[Vielleicht]

I never cease to be amazed at how EVs rub people up the wrong way.

 

I was struck that someone on Twitter was 'gutted' (!) the ID R had beated the record.

 

It's a racing car and it went up the hill very fast. Who cares what powers it?

[muramasa]

I'm rather surprised that Nick record had held so long, however awesome the run looks the 1999 McLaren is twitching like mad, so one would think any of newer cars should be able to outpace it. Maybe there was no real serious attempt to do it as it requires warming tyres and accept high risk of crash and all that but still.

[Ben1445]

To be honest Goodwood FoS records are a bit meaningless as only a handful of entrants ever really go on full attack. It's a terrible measure of how good the cars entering it are. We've known for years that Heidfeld's record was beatable by a good number of cars, we were just waiting for someone to come along and do it. 

 

I think the fact that it is electric just brings out the cynicism and the EV haters. If a new record was set by a V12 powered lightweight hillclimber those same people would be crowing about how wonderful it was. Because it's electric...only bitterness. 

[Stephane]

Aren't F1 not allowed in the competition these days ?

[Vitesse2]

I'm sure there are plenty of people, both in British national hillclimbing and F1, who could have taken Heidfeld's mark to under 40 seconds, but I'm equally sure that John Dawson-Damer's fatal accident in 2000 - which also claimed the life of a marshal - weighed heavily on everyone's minds. It struck me today that the number of straw bales on the upper part of the run seemed to be more than in previous years. Of course, if you're expecting something fast and electric might hit them that's not a fire safety issue ...

 

Aren't F1 not allowed in the competition these days ?

Year-old F1 cars are allowed on the hill, but I think there's an unwritten agreement that they don't do timed runs. Not that that's necessarily stopped one or two drivers from giving it a go. I was there on the Friday in 2001 when a young chap called Takuma Sato tyre-smoked a BAR off the line - to a standing ovation. He certainly wasn't holding back ... I wonder what happened to him?

[Vielleicht]

Think back to 1999 (those of us who can). What would you have thought an electric car capable of back then?

Now think that the ID R, an EV, can do that about as fast as an F1 car and could continue to do that for a full lap of the Nordschleife.

That’s what should be thought of as impressive about all of this.

[Massa_f1]

Does anybody know how many of Michael Schumacher's cars are running during the weekend? I heard both Damon and Mika were going to drive some, and also saw a 1997 Ferrari being delivered to the event from America on a photo on Twitter.

[Imateria]

I'm sure there are plenty of people, both in British national hillclimbing and F1, who could have taken Heidfeld's mark to under 40 seconds, but I'm equally sure that John Dawson-Damer's fatal accident in 2000 - which also claimed the life of a marshal - weighed heavily on everyone's minds. It struck me today that the number of straw bales on the upper part of the run seemed to be more than in previous years. Of course, if you're expecting something fast and electric might hit them that's not a fire safety issue ...

 

Year-old F1 cars are allowed on the hill, but I think there's an unwritten agreement that they don't do timed runs. Not that that's necessarily stopped one or two drivers from giving it a go. I was there on the Friday in 2001 when a young chap called Takuma Sato tyre-smoked a BAR off the line - to a standing ovation. He certainly wasn't holding back ... I wonder what happened to him?

They're also not allowed to run race spec tyres as well for the same reason, testing restrictions, they have to put up with Pirelli's exhibition tyre which is nowhere near as grippy as the race tyres (and it was the same with Bridgestone before them).

 

Whilst the ID R was massively impressive, I can't help feeling that Heidfeld's run was more so. McLaren didn't rework the car specifically for the hillclimb, it was a 99 car that they sent there and told Heidfeld "Have at it".

 

Would love it if one of the F1 teams would now bring a 2017 car with special tyres from Pirelli and have a full go at it again.

[JHSingo]

It's a racing car and it went up the hill very fast. Who cares what powers it?

 

Evidently quite a few people.

 

You like what you like. Noisy cars will likely always be more popular among diehard racing fans than the silent electrics.

[Vielleicht]

Evidently quite a few people.

You like what you like. Noisy cars will likely always be more popular among diehard racing fans than the silent electrics.

Well. Their/your loss I guess.

Life is fantastic when you can appreciate both

[MikeV1987]

Watching the replay, I was just about to see that Ferrari V8 powered FRS roll up for that drift event and they switch to talking to random people instead. I also keep hearing this commentator receive text messages lol.

[pingu666]

i think some elect to use inter's or wet tyres as the car is too long sat waiting so the tyres are cold and normal slicks are not good cold.

 

919evo might be faster anyways

[PayasYouRace]

Nice to see Harrison Newey driving the Leyton House March.

[muramasa]

Webbo talking

Speaking too fast as always

[muramasa]

　

"Toyota Le Mans 24 winning car not even washed yet"

 

Um, they apply coating to protect and preserve the original post-race dirt condition in mint condition....I saw the le mans 24 2018 winner TS050 car in Japan, it had coating applied

[Ben1445]

Evidently quite a few people.

 

You like what you like. Noisy cars will likely always be more popular among diehard racing fans than the silent electrics.

I have to make this slightly pedantic point

 

These racing EVs are not silent. Anyone who's been to an FE race or test session or seen that ID R will attest that they really do make a significant noise. It's just not as loud. 

[muramasa]

With FE and current V6T Hybrid F1 you can hear the sound of aero and tyre grip so it's much better for me. Also I've grown up with all the electric motored toys like RC cars and mini cars so electric motors sound cool for me, plus those Toyota hybrid roadcars on streets sound cool when they accelerate from 0 speed at signals etc because recent cars launch on electric motor only.

[muramasa]

　

woo my new fav

 

 

 

Edited by muramasa, 06 July 2019 - 11:07.

[muramasa]

　

"Andrew Newall" sounds like Adrian Newey

 

Edited by muramasa, 06 July 2019 - 11:13.

[muramasa]

　

ha ha cool design of fender for wheels (if it ever is)

 

[Vitesse2]

　

woo my new fav

 

 

 

BMW 328, body by Touring of Milan. And here in period:

 

Driven by Huschke von Hanstein and Walter Bäumer.

[Ellios]

Takuma Sato‏Verified account @TakumaSatoRacer 3h3 hours ago

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Listen to it!! Perfect condition.

 

https://twitter.com/...503993243017218

 

[muramasa]

　

that bear on halo must have costed Nick at least 6 sec

Edited by muramasa, 06 July 2019 - 17:07.

[muramasa]

　

boom

 

[Ben1445]

I really do like that I.D. R

Don’t care if other people don’t. I just think it’s magnificent.

[ensign14]

 

This is it going the other way.

 

The amount of downforce it has is staggering.   If the 78 was painted to the road, this was tarmaced into its very grain.

[Vielleicht]

O h h h  m y

 

Listen to it

 

[Ben1445]

Hmm...
 
I've a friend who worked for a time with a team on the British Hillclimb scene. I remember him telling me that he was absolutely sure that a British Hillclimb car would've beaten Heidfeld's old record a long time ago [...]

When it comes to general hillclimbing, wouldn't a purpose built EV be just simply mighty competitive? Usually a short run so only a small, lightweight battery. Fantastic power to weight for the motors. Massive, instant torque and no gear changing needed. 
 
Surely it's one category where EVs are just a superb choice...

Edited by Ben1445, 06 July 2019 - 18:46.

[Talisman]

Just got back. Had a lovely time and the sun certainly helped. With little ones in tow couldn’t see that much but we saw most of the F1 cars being prepared just prior to going out. Having last been five or so years ago I can’t help thinking that the F1 teams aren’t supporting the event like they used to, at least not in terms of drivers.

Ocon was the only ‘current’ driver I saw. Maybe a few more are going to be there tomorrow.

Still there were loads of things to do and the family are badgering me to go back next year!

[FLB]

O h h h  m y

 

Listen to it

 

Welcome... to the 21st Century.

[Talisman]

I'm sure there are plenty of people, both in British national hillclimbing and F1, who could have taken Heidfeld's mark to under 40 seconds, but I'm equally sure that John Dawson-Damer's fatal accident in 2000 - which also claimed the life of a marshal - weighed heavily on everyone's minds. It struck me today that the number of straw bales on the upper part of the run seemed to be more than in previous years. Of course, if you're expecting something fast and electric might hit them that's not a fire safety issue ...

Year-old F1 cars are allowed on the hill, but I think there's an unwritten agreement that they don't do timed runs. Not that that's necessarily stopped one or two drivers from giving it a go. I was there on the Friday in 2001 when a young chap called Takuma Sato tyre-smoked a BAR off the line - to a standing ovation. He certainly wasn't holding back ... I wonder what happened to him?

IIRC drivers were told to cool it to avoid there being a constant competition to beat previous times which is understandable. Most drivers don’t really bother anyway doing donuts on the way. I don’t think there was a single car driven in real anger today.

[JHSingo]

O h h h  m y

 

Listen to it

 

 

That's a fast vacuum cleaner.

 

Sorry not sorry.

[JHSingo]

Just got back. Had a lovely time and the sun certainly helped. With little ones in tow couldn’t see that much but we saw most of the F1 cars being prepared just prior to going out. Having last been five or so years ago I can’t help thinking that the F1 teams aren’t supporting the event like they used to, at least not in terms of drivers.

Ocon was the only ‘current’ driver I saw. Maybe a few more are going to be there tomorrow.

Still there were loads of things to do and the family are badgering me to go back next year!

 

Sainz was there, as was Giovanazzi. Norris is supposed to be there tomorrow as well. I suspect some of the top guys tend to stay away, as they'd likely get swamped by autograph/selfie hunters. I still remember what a stir Valentino Rossi caused when he was there a few years ago.

 

As an aside, does anyone else find it slightly irritating that F1 teams have started painting old cars in their current liveries? It annoys me on a pedantic level - like the 2012 Sauber, decked out in Alfa colours. Same for the Renault (Lotus). I'd much see the cars presented as they were raced at the time.

[Ben1445]

That's a fast vacuum cleaner.

 

Sorry not sorry.

Mmm just listen to it coming out of Molecome and past the crowd:  

 

wwhhheeeeeEEEEEE- -BOOM- -WHOoooosh

 

 ....that's definitely not a noise my vacuum-cleaner makes  

[Ben1445]

As an aside, does anyone else find it slightly irritating that F1 teams have started painting old cars in their current liveries? It annoys me on a pedantic level - like the 2012 Sauber, decked out in Alfa colours. Same for the Renault (Lotus). I'd much see the cars presented as they were raced at the time.

Yes that is incredibly annoying.