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#151 PlayboyRacer

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Posted 08 July 2019 - 09:56

Also I look forward to watching Hamilton in his Tyrrell and Verstappen in his Stewart at Silverstone.

When was the Tyrrell outfit based at Brackley exactly?

Edited by PlayboyRacer, 08 July 2019 - 09:57.


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#152 Tsarwash

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Posted 08 July 2019 - 11:11



 

Until there's a scenario like an electric car winning Le Mans outright against ICE competition, or an electric car setting the outright lap record at the Nurburgring, I can't help feel that many of these records that electric cars are setting currently are in events that favour them, or conveniently avoid any real relevant competition.

I thought that had already happened last year. 



#153 CPR

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Posted 08 July 2019 - 11:16

Nice "background" video on Carlos driving the M8D:


#154 JHSingo

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Posted 08 July 2019 - 11:33

I thought that had already happened last year. 

 

The outright lap record is a 5:19.545, set by the Porsche 919 Evo.

 

The VW ID.R set a time of 6:05.336.

 

So, no, it didn't already happen.



#155 Vielleicht

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Posted 08 July 2019 - 12:04

Until there's a scenario like an electric car winning Le Mans outright against ICE competition, or an electric car setting the outright lap record at the Nurburgring, I can't help feel that many of these records that electric cars are setting currently are in events that favour them, or conveniently avoid any real relevant competition.

 

Outright winning Le Mans is the new threshold for technological legitimacy?

 

Not too long ago that threshold was 'merely' beating ICE over a Grand Prix distance. And before that is was over any distance at all.

Now they can win/be competitive at events 'that favour them' such as short sprints in hillclimbs or rallycross. So that's the old threshold for legitimacy met, but it doesn't seem to satisfy those who originally said it. Now they have to reach the ultimate goal of being competitive in 24 hour endurance racing.

 

Maybe I should consider that a good indicator of perceived progess...

 

 

( I still can't wrap my head around 'events that favour them'. An electric car would lose at Le Mans because the nature of the competition means that, currently, refuelling time and stint length favours the ICE car. Yet presumably that is a totally legitimate victory? And an EV winning Pikes Peak outright because the superior torque and altitude ambivilant power output favours the EV is somehow... not?)


Edited by Vielleicht, 08 July 2019 - 12:43.


#156 AlexPrime

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Posted 08 July 2019 - 12:10

It was a very nice event, I really liked it, from the old classic car to the electric monster. Hillclimb is so much fun.



#157 Loosenut

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Posted 08 July 2019 - 12:16

It was a false good idea. It could have been a beautiful moment, but sadly it looks that Hill fans are still infinitely more bitter than Hill and as expected, couldn't help but come with their nasty hateful comments. At the end it was just wrong to watch. Wasted opportunity.

Nah, it was just a good idea and it was a beautiful moment. I, for one am even more a Damon Hill fan now.

Actually he grew up just a few streets away from me!



#158 Henri Greuter

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Posted 08 July 2019 - 12:30

It's a matter of proper representation of History. I was exposed to it all my life and smoke cigars I don't recall a cigar sponsor ever.



You, All American race fan forgot the Shadow with Villiger Kiel cigar branding in '78 ????

#159 Tsarwash

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Posted 08 July 2019 - 12:41

The outright lap record is a 5:19.545, set by the Porsche 919 Evo.

 

The VW ID.R set a time of 6:05.336.

 

So, no, it didn't already happen.

Thanks for the correction. I can quote another part of your post however to demonstrate that you don't really accept that all electric cars are already competing at the highest level.

 

 

I think my problem with the I.D.R is that the narrative will be spun that it is superior technology (i.e. LOOK - AN ELECTRIC CAR JUST WENT FASTER THAN AN F1 CAR!!!) - when this sort of event clearly heavily favours its advantages, and it isn't really going up against anything that could give it a run for its money - a contemporary F1 car or Hillclimb car, for instance. The cars it is up against here are quick, but yeah, they've not got a chance. 

 

This same car that we are talking about (ok, probably same in name only) currently has the absolute record at the Pikes Peak hillclimb. So it has gone against contemporary hillclimb cars and won, and I'm sure that you know this fact. Of course they are nowhere near F1 cars at the moment.



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#160 Ben1445

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Posted 08 July 2019 - 19:03

Outright winning Le Mans is the new threshold for technological legitimacy?

 

Not too long ago that threshold was 'merely' beating ICE over a Grand Prix distance. And before that is was over any distance at all.

Now they can win/be competitive at events 'that favour them' such as short sprints in hillclimbs or rallycross. So that's the old threshold for legitimacy met, but it doesn't seem to satisfy those who originally said it. Now they have to reach the ultimate goal of being competitive in 24 hour endurance racing.

 

Maybe I should consider that a good indicator of perceived progess...

Yes, especially for those saying 'well the 2019 Mercedes F1/Porsche 919 Evo would demolish the ID.R time if allowed a proper go' when they are both big chunky hybrids. The same hybrids that have been so offensive to the ICE purist over the years. So I guess they are more acceptable now which must be progress I guess. 

 

I still can't wrap my head around 'events that favour them'. An electric car would lose at Le Mans because the nature of the competition means that, currently, refuelling time and stint length favours the ICE car. Yet presumably that is a totally legitimate victory? And an EV winning Pikes Peak outright because the superior torque and altitude ambivalent power output favours the EV is somehow... not?

Exactly this.


Edited by Ben1445, 08 July 2019 - 19:03.


#161 red stick

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Posted 08 July 2019 - 20:26

You, All American race fan forgot the Shadow with Villiger Kiel cigar branding in '78 ????

 

Tough crowd.  :)

 

Surely BB and the rest of us can arrive at our vices, if they are in fact vices, independently of motorsports sponsorship?  Particularly the . . . obscure ones?    ;) 



#162 Kalmake

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Posted 08 July 2019 - 20:36

The VW vs an F1 car is like a child sprinting vs an adult cripple. ICE reached the level very long time ago where it became too dangerous to be unregulated.

 

VW is near ultimate EV performace. And that's exiting to see.