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[Jvr]

He was definitely on softs at the end of Q2, that's what made me think he'd be starting on softs. I probably had a lapse of concentration and came up with bollocks.

You are correct, he came out with Softs as did Lewis at the end of Q2 but neither of them improved their times.

I'd think they only came out to get a set up test for Q3, which they have done many times earlier.

[uraharakisuke]

 Why do you think both Mercedes and Red Bull fought for Max to their junior driver programmes before he had ever even turned a wheel in an F1 car. They knew he was something special. Laughing in this case doesn't make you look cool,I it only displays that you are a fool who doesn't appreciate someone putting their time into a sport they are passionate about, even if you don't agree with their findings. He actually used the data available to him which is all he has to go on.

Nonsense. Complete nonsense and fantasy. If a random member of a 2nd rate F1 forum can conclude Max is 2 tenths faster than two of the all time fastest F1 drivers then this man needs a job at the FIA or at the very least can replace JBL in the Autosport technical analysis videos.

 

2 tenths is an enormous amount of time to be faster than Lewis or Alonso. Enormous at such a high level of motorsport anyway. It would also redefine just how fast a F1 driver could theoretically drive. Unless, of course, the methodology is nonsensical and would under any amount of technical scrutiny collapse like a flan in a cupboard.

 

Edited by uraharakisuke, 13 July 2019 - 16:48.

[Pyrone]

Sarcasm ?

Yes, what I am saying is that anyone who doesn’t think RIC is a top driver cannot be taken seriously

[Marklar]

You are correct, he came out with Softs as did Lewis at the end of Q2 but neither of them improved their times.

I'd think they only came out to get a set up test for Q3, which they have done many times earlier.

Nope, Lewis didnt came out on softs, oddly enough, only one outlap on mediums

[GoldenColt]

Hamilton was never the quickest driver in F1, not even close. That's just a myth his delluded fans need to believe. Verstappen is obvioualy way quicker than him. Just think that VER consistently beat RIC, who consistently beat Vettel, who consistently beat webber, who consistetnly beat Rosberg.

 

If Mercedes had faster drivers like Verstappen or LeClerk, they would have been on pole by over 0.5s.   

Man, you're gonna pee off lots of Schumacher fans with that logic.

[P123]

Woah, Pirelli is not even suggesting a one stopper   

Surely some mistake!?

[Jvr]

Nope, Lewis didnt came out on softs, oddly enough, only one outlap on mediums

Okay, my mistake. I assumed he would also have went out to have a feeling of the Softs before Q3 but neither of them were shown in the international footage.

I guess, never assume...

[Marklar]

Whenever I go through mini sectors after qualifying it fascinates me how often the pole lap was actually only over a very little part of the lap quicker than the rest 


 

Edited by Marklar, 13 July 2019 - 17:32.

[Atreiu]

Whenever I go through mini sectors after qualifying it fascinates me how often the pole lap was actually only over a very little part of the lap quicker than the rest 

what mini sectors are these?

[Otaku]

what mini sectors are these?

 

The ones they were showing on TV at the start of the season, and then sadly removed.

[Jvr]

These.

Mini sector comparison between both driver's best laps.

 

https://twitter.com/...101836063371266

[anyeis]

These.

Mini sector comparison between both driver's best laps.

 

https://twitter.com/...101836063371266

 

Are they using deployment differently in S1 or maybe Bottas loss at the start was random steering angle issue

Edited by anyeis, 13 July 2019 - 18:07.

[Marklar]

Are they using deployment differently in S1 or maybe Bottas loss at the start was random steering angle issue

I cant watch it rn, but keep in mind that this current gap graph in the middle of those mini sector comparison videos are often out of synch for some reason.

[Nonesuch]

Thumbs up to Bottas for keeping at it. He's not quite as quick as Hamilton, but he can sneak by if he delivers and Hamilton doesn't. I can respect that.

 

He put enough pressure on Hamilton to make him pay for only giving himself one shot, so that's good.

[Marklar]

This is beating the Leaderhosen from back then

https://twitter.com/...5192794113?s=19

[Marklar]

Is the likehood always 20 %?

[Massa]

Whenever I go through mini sectors after qualifying it fascinates me how often the pole lap was actually only over a very little part of the lap quicker than the rest

Should have been a Leclerc pole

[milestone 11]

Another pound in the rears to 22psi

[SamH123]

Should have been a Leclerc pole

 

Strange, all those purples on his first lap but his 2nd lap was quicker

[Marklar]

Strange, all those purples on his first lap but his 2nd lap was quicker

I reckon he compromised parts of his lap for that, his quicker lap has more personal best times at least. Plus he made a error in the final corner of his first lap, which certainly costed a few tenths. Generally struggled on the final sector, his best time there was from Q2!

I wouldnt say that he should have been on pole, but both runs were in reality very close to the Mercedes, which is encouraging.

[Ellios]

[Garndell]

I reckon he compromised parts of his lap for that, his quicker lap has more personal best times at least. Plus he made a error in the final corner of his first lap, which certainly costed a few tenths. Generally struggled on the final sector, his best time there was from Q2!

I wouldnt say that he should have been on pole, but both runs were in reality very close to the Mercedes, which is encouraging.

 

I'd like to know who got the purple mini sectors 1, 6, 12, 13, 14, 15 & 25 from that sheet.  My jaw would hit the floor if it was Ricciardo/Norris though.

[f1paul]

I think everybody is making too much noise about tyre deg. The F2 boys were fine, and boy do they usually struggle. It will be an easy one stop. Ferrari may even have the quicker strategy, tyre adjusted. There's at least 4 different strategies tomorrow.

M-H early stop
M-S late stop
S-H early stop
S-M regular stop

Maybe a late-race safety car again? Temps look fine so I doubt they'll be any surprises.

 

Woah, Pirelli is not even suggesting a one stopper   

 

Thomas for Tyre President. 

[TomNokoe]

Thomas for Tyre President.

Paul for Race Thread Starter

[f1paul]

Paul for Race Thread Starter

We'll see tomorrow a few hours before the race. I will probably do it. 

 

(nicely done - brilliant response). 

[Marklar]

I'd like to know who got the purple mini sectors 1, 6, 12, 13, 14, 15 & 25 from that sheet.  My jaw would hit the floor if it was Ricciardo/Norris though.

1, 12, 13, 14, 15: Ricciardo Lap 2

6: Vettel Lap 1

25: Vettel Lap 2 (Outlap)

12-15 btw is a bit after Woodcote till Maggots

[TomNokoe]

1, 12, 13, 14, 15: Ricciardo Lap 2

6: Vettel Lap 1
25: Vettel Lap 2 (Outlap)

12-15 btw is a bit after Woodcote till Maggots

Renault Q3 mode is strong. Hulk was very quick in S1.

[Bleu]

I feel that Renault hot lap engine mode has different ERS settings for this circuit which explains where they are fastest of the bunch.

[Erwin123]

As a Max fan I think it was very wise of 18 year old Max not to go up against Hamilton in his prime...things might have changed a bit since then.

 

Prediction:

P1 Hamilton

P2 Verstappen

P3 Leclerc

[Hela]

Hamilton was never the quickest driver in F1, not even close. That's just a myth his delluded fans need to believe. Verstappen is obvioualy way quicker than him. Just think that VER consistently beat RIC, who consistently beat Vettel, who consistently beat webber, who consistetnly beat Rosberg.

 

If Mercedes had faster drivers like Verstappen or LeClerk, they would have been on pole by over 0.5s.   

 

Just when you think you've heard it all, someone somewhere just proves to you that Donald duck does have a younger brother 

[ExFlagMan]

Gonna have to go some to match the FE race for action...

[f1paul]

Gonna have to go some to match the FE race for action...

You don't know what you have just started.

 

At least I have an excuse for not doing the race thread tomorrow. I'll be watching today's FE race again. (joking)

 

(i'll still do it don't worry, unless anyone else wants to). 

[milestone 11]

You don't know what you have just started.
 
At least I have an excuse for not doing the race thread tomorrow. I'll be watching today's FE race again. (joking)
 
(i'll still do it don't worry, unless anyone else wants to).

Don't try to get out of it, you committed earlier on.

[Marklar]

Gonna have to go some to match the FE race for action...

As usual I prefer it to be IndyCar over FE, so fistfight in the pitlane it is 

[ArrowsLivery]

I feel that Renault hot lap engine mode has different ERS settings for this circuit which explains where they are fastest of the bunch.

Renault has a low drag, very low downforce setup which is good for the top speed charts but terrible for the lap times. They wouldn’t be so slow if their PU was actually strong.

[MKSixer]

Well using that metric there is a forumer on another forum who did some number crunching by comparing different top drivers when they were teammates to try and get a rough read on who is possibly the fastest driver on the grid, and his calculations showed that Max is potentially on average 0.2 secs a lap quicker than either Lewis and Alonso. The more this season unfolds, the more I'm starting to believe those numbers maybe have some merit.

   

So you know a guy on another internet forum who claims to have crunched some numbers?!?!!  

If this persists I'm never going to read this forum without a stiff drink or three ever again!!  

It's getting to be too much. 

[MKSixer]

Just when you think you've heard it all, someone somewhere just proves to you that Donald duck does have a younger brother 

It's time to start drinking for us and time to stop drinking for him.      

[MKSixer]

Man, you're gonna pee off lots of Schumacher fans with that logic.

"Logic".  I'm sure you meant, "logic", not logic.     

[w1Y]

So seb will go for the undercut and force teama to get rid of their mediums too early

[Whatisvalis]

Well done Bottas and the rookies. Shame for Lewis, and Charles was looking good too. Tomorrow should be a good race with some interesting strategy calls.

 

Hopefully Ham can keep 2nd and then pressure Bottas - the atmosphere is going to be great if he can take the win with an on track pass.

[PlayboyRacer]

Are those the same reliable sources saying Hamilton to Ferrari? Or that said Max had a pre-contract at Ferrari (which RB then implicated came from the Sainz clan)

Please stay away from the rumor koolaid. Remember those news outlets make news if they cant find any to sell clicks and magazines.

Rumour koolaid haha Been plenty of discussion regarding this on the forum elsewhere, quotes and sources provided. Have a look around.

[SamH123]

1, 12, 13, 14, 15: Ricciardo Lap 2

6: Vettel Lap 1

25: Vettel Lap 2 (Outlap)

12-15 btw is a bit after Woodcote till Maggots

 

 

Very interesting,  where do you get this data from?

[Pyrone]

This is beating the Leaderhosen from back then
https://twitter.com/...5192794113?s=19

Talking about Lederhosen.
What is the betting on Lazerby keeping to the deal he made with Horner to wear them the rest of the year or at least British GP

[Myrvold]

Hamilton was never the quickest driver in F1, not even close. That's just a myth his delluded fans need to believe. Verstappen is obvioualy way quicker than him. Just think that VER consistently beat RIC, who consistently beat Vettel, who consistently beat webber, who consistetnly beat Rosberg.

Ah. Here we go again.

Hill > Villeneuve > Frentzen > Hill > Villeneuve > Frentzen > Hill > Villeneuve > Frentzen > Hill > Villeneuve > Frentzen

Etc.

[Marklar]

Very interesting, where do you get this data from?

F1TV Data Channel

[born1983]

Ah. Here we go again.

Hill > Villeneuve > Frentzen > Hill > Villeneuve > Frentzen > Hill > Villeneuve > Frentzen > Hill > Villeneuve > Frentzen

Etc.

Agree, these comparisons do not make sense. Plus, if you do it for modern drivers it all strongly depends on Vettel’s 2014 season.

If you think that season is representative (i don’t), then Verstappen and Ricciardo look extremely impressive.

[Nonesuch]

If you think that season is representative (i don’t), then Verstappen and Ricciardo look extremely impressive.

 

But applying this kind of reasoning is pointless anyway since we all know Verstappen can't take poles.

[SophieB]

I am going to close this because it’s so deep in the weeds and because it is Race Day.

Feel free to create a suitable thread and have a great day, those of you who are watching it live!