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[backwards7]

I think my favourite moment of this patchy F1 season, so far, has been Lewis putting everything on the line, tearing around Silverstone on a set of pensionable tires in the hope of collecting fastest lap before crossing the finish. 

[w1Y]

Am i the only one that saw verstappen purposely turn in to bump le clerc then.

[SenorSjon]

A lot of people today talking about Vettel's decline, but is it overly dramatic to suggest we *might* be watching this year the very beginning of Hamilton's decline?

I mean I do realise he's comfortably dominating the championship. Just saying that he's been strangely inconsistent vs Bottas specially in qualifying, which is one of the first signs of drivers aging - their "edge" in qualifying gets less noticeable. Earlier this year in the official F1 podcast James Allison was talking about how incredible it is that at Lewis' age he hadn't seen that yet, praising him, then this season happens...

He's still amazing, just less amazing, like 9/10 amazing instead of last year's 9.5/10 amazing.

 

With massive gaps, he only has Bottas to beat. He leads two race wins. Bottas leads two race wins on Verstappen. Mercedes can turn up in Spa again and still lead with ease.

 

Am i the only one that saw verstappen purposely turn in to bump le clerc then.

 

Yes, you are the only one. Next thing you know, Verstappen drove against Vettel in reverse.

[SophieB]

What a fantastic photo. As Mark Gallagher noted on twitter, what memories for those little kids perched up on shoulders there.

 

 

photo by motorsport images, via Mark Hughes' race report in Motor Sport magazine

[SenorSjon]

http://en.mclarenf-1...Valtteri Bottas

 

Darn it. 

 

Verstappen lost 15s due to Vettel and had a damaged car. Bottas would have gotten about 5-6s behind Verstappen on used softs. That would have been a very nice finale.

[imaginesix]

Sorry if this has been discussed, but why was the SC deployed instead of the VSC? Seems to me Giovanazzi's incident is the exact situation VSCs were created for; an off-track vehicle recovery. If there were any obstruction on track I could see how the SC could be necessary but in this case they used the SC anyways, and it gave the victory to Hamilton.

 

What is the rationale, are there rules for when the SC or VSC are deployed?

Edited by imaginesix, 15 July 2019 - 16:05.

[Garndell]

http://en.mclarenf-1...Valtteri Bottas

 

Darn it. 

 

Verstappen lost 15s due to Vettel and had a damaged car. Bottas would have gotten about 5-6s behind Verstappen on used softs. That would have been a very nice finale.

 

Also on that site, if you compare Hamilton & Bottas you'd see over 52 laps they were faster than each other in 26 each (including stop laps & SC).

[robefc]

Sorry if this has been discussed, but why was the SC deployed instead of the VSC? Seems to me Giovanazzi's incident is the exact situation VSCs were created for; an off-track vehicle recovery. If there were any obstruction on track I could see how the SC could be necessary but in this case they used the SC anyways, and it gave the victory to Hamilton.
 
What is the rationale, are there rules for when the SC or VSC are deployed?

Lewis would have come out ahead under VSC too.

I’ve seen the explanation from Charlie’s replacement quoted somewhere but can’t remember where.

[muramasa]

Actually Sebastian gifted Verstappen P5. Usually such collision means DNF, I've never seen a car rear-ended like that sustaining damages to bodywork, going airbourne and landing hard, developing flat spot on tyre during sliding and trapped in gravel for a while not only kept going and finished the race but also lost only like 15sec and still was lapping faster than a teammate.

[Pyrone]

Actually Sebastian gifted Verstappen P5. Usually such collision means DNF, I've never seen a car rear-ended like that sustaining damages to bodywork, going airbourne and landing hard, developing flat spot on tyre during sliding and trapped in gravel for a while not only kept going and finished the race but also lost only like 15sec and still was lapping faster than a teammate.

I gifted you life, normally when someone is shot in the head they die.

[Pyrone]

http://en.mclarenf-1...r2=Pierre Gasly
Look at this. Gasly was still fighting with Leclerc for P3 (but had a gap of 2 seconds so not being held up) yet after the crash he was losing between 1 tenth and 6 tenths a lap to Max who was driving around with a damaged diffuser, a loose seat, no power steering and surely at least a kilo of gravel.

[muramasa]

　

yes, thanks to Sebastian. if it was Leclerc, Maxtappen's suspension and rear wing wouldve been shattered and D.N.F.

 

 

(just in case, I'm joking)

[jpm2019]

I think my favourite moment of this patchy F1 season, so far, has been Lewis putting everything on the line, tearing around Silverstone on a set of pensionable tires in the hope of collecting fastest lap before crossing the finish. 

For me the lowpoint of a great race. This shows the Mercedes still has a lot of pace in hand. 

[Myrvold]

Go right ahead but I think you're fighting a lost battle. Times are changing and if that's ugly I'll take ugly over the post race / time penalties every time. Some circuits allow this kind of racing, others don't so the solution is perfectly simple if you ask me.
 
But I have to say I'm kind of curious how you reacted last week when it was the other way around. Difference is that Charles chose the collision course while Max went on to take the detour. Both could have yielded instead but I'm not sure that would have been the most entertaining solution. But then again, I never liked slot car racing in the first place

I have no issues fighting a lost battle, bump'n run isn't even allowed in RX, so I see no reason why it should be fine in open wheelers. Then again, it tends to be legal only until something bad happens.

How did I react? That I now didn't write something about Leclerc on the inside bumping Verstappen off? Well, mainly because I've been on a cabin in the middle of nowhere, using all my mobile data minus a few MB on streaming the race. And that I haven't seen if Leclerc was entitled to stick his car in there or not. Or is it the left-hander after the pit you are thinking about?
The most entertaining for me is two or more drivers racing hard on the track. I liked Leclercs outside move on Gasly, but all Gasly had to do in modern F1 was to turn in less than normal and run Leclerc off. I know what I like best.

[SonGoku]

http://en.mclarenf-1...r2=Pierre Gasly
Look at this. Gasly was still fighting with Leclerc for P3 (but had a gap of 2 seconds so not being held up) yet after the crash he was losing between 1 tenth and 6 tenths a lap to Max who was driving around with a damaged diffuser, a loose seat, no power steering and surely at least a kilo of gravel.

Embarrassing but because he is fighting with Ferrari for once instead of McLaren and Renault everybody is praising him for this race, what an unbelievable low standard. In a car that had the pace to finish second in the hands of Verstappen that day.

[ArrowsLivery]

http://en.mclarenf-1...r2=Pierre Gasly
Look at this. Gasly was still fighting with Leclerc for P3 (but had a gap of 2 seconds so not being held up) yet after the crash he was losing between 1 tenth and 6 tenths a lap to Max who was driving around with a damaged diffuser, a loose seat, no power steering and surely at least a kilo of gravel.

I think Pierre was on old tires by that point.

[SpeedRacer`]

Lewis would have come out ahead under VSC too.

I’ve seen the explanation from Charlie’s replacement quoted somewhere but can’t remember where.

 

And those who pitted under SC would've benefited even more under VSC as they would have kept their time advantage when they emerged on track, instead of closing the pack up. Hamilton for example emerged several seconds ahead of Bottas.

[PayasYouRace]

Sorry if this has been discussed, but why was the SC deployed instead of the VSC? Seems to me Giovanazzi's incident is the exact situation VSCs were created for; an off-track vehicle recovery. If there were any obstruction on track I could see how the SC could be necessary but in this case they used the SC anyways, and it gave the victory to Hamilton.

 

What is the rationale, are there rules for when the SC or VSC are deployed?

 

It's up to the race director to make the choice.

 

Incidentally, a VSC would have been even more beneficial to Hamilton, has he would have made his stop while everyone was following the delta, but after his stop Bottas and the rest would not have had the opportunity to close right up to him before the restart.