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[djparky]

That was embarrassing for Marco, he's usually only good on ovals, he was a mobile chicane at Indy 500, and so slow they parked him at Iowa...

Bit surprised about the Karam penalty- what was he supposed to do?? The cars in front of him slowed suddenly

[milestone 11]

7minutes highlights Buddy.

[djparky]

Well done Sky for showing the race. It is available on demand

Edited by djparky, 21 July 2019 - 15:03.

[B Squared]

I stayed up and saw the race but my dad and brother missed it. Does anybody know what the nbcsports replay time might be and on which day? Thanks for any help.

[red stick]

I stayed up and saw the race but my dad and brother missed it. Does anybody know what the nbcsports replay time might be and on which day? Thanks for any help.

Our cable guide shows 2:00 PM tomorrow (Monday), CDT, on NBCSN.

Edited by red stick, 21 July 2019 - 16:45.

[Afterburner]

Dixon... how the hell...

[M66R]

I thought my Sky box was playing up when i got up early doors this morning to get up and watch the race to find it still recording 7 odd hours after it started. Very entertaining race, I'm really becoming an oval racing fan.

[jonpollak]

Dixon... how the hell...

Your answer?
DIXON.
That’s how.

Jp

[djparky]

Your answer?
DIXON.
That’s how.

Jp

Yep he is excellent at doing this

[djparky]

I thought my Sky box was playing up when i got up early doors this morning to get up and watch the race to find it still recording 7 odd hours after it started. Very entertaining race, I'm really becoming an oval racing fan.

Yep was a good race, good little track. Not so sure about going back to Pocono though

[paulb]

Dixon... how the hell...

Teamwork makes the dream work. Pit crew was off the charts.

[Peat]

Fresh tyres and a wave-around did help though. 

Just looking at the pit-stop summary, Dixon was working his magic prior to the yellow. He was on the same strat at JJNewJive initially, but stretched his 3rd stop 1 lap further & 4th stop 5 laps further. The leaders then stopped under green for the final time around lap 250, so we could imagine Dixon would've pitted L260? The caution came on L264, so he must have been MAKING fuel at that point. Rossi & VEACH made pitted the same as the leaders, but pitted again under yellow to take fresh rubber at no penalty, but had already lost track position to Dixon by that point. 

 

This was a great example of Dixon & Hull always playing the angles, they weren't there on pace, so they played the long game and it just fell into thier laps. 

EDIT: Actually, I could be wrong. The Lap Chart and the Pitstop Summary do not tally. The lap chart says Dixey stopped L252 also.    The combined timing/data power of NTT & Tag Heuer is no match for the clusterf___ of IndyCar race control. 

Edited by Peat, 22 July 2019 - 07:44.

[Rinehart]

Totally missed that one, thought it was on Sunday night Uk... Sky not showing replays on F1 channel? Boo!

[jonpollak]

Is your Sky box connected to a router?
Jp

[BuddyHolly]

Totally missed that one, thought it was on Sunday night Uk... Sky not showing replays on F1 channel? Boo!

You can download it if your box is connected to your wifi.  be warned though its close to 12gb.  I downloaded it last night but our monthly data cap is rather close now eek!

[red stick]

Dixon... how the hell...

 

"You think you have the best of me?--I toy with you."  Cue maniacal humor.

 

 

 

Scott Dixon enjoying a moment at the IndyCar test at Barber Motorsports Park in 2009.

 

[DS27]

Dixon did a Dixon, Power did a Power, Sato did a Sato, Marco did a Marco. Basic Indycar rules 1, 2, 3, 4.

Edited by DS27, 22 July 2019 - 15:28.

[B Squared]

Dixon did a Dixon, Power did a Power, Sato did a Sato, Marco did a Marco. Basic Indycar rules 1, 2, 3, 4.

However Sato and Power are both Indy 500 winners which is quite an accomplishment the last I checked and Power has a championship to go along with it. That indicates they do a few things right on occasion too.

[bargeboard]

The rain delay squashed my plans to watch the race while replacing a ball joint in my car. Perhaps a blessing in disguise - I did the job in an hour, and I'm guessing it would've taken at least 2 if I was following IndyCar at the same time. I ended up watching until the first rain delay while falling asleep, but couldn't keep myself awake for the chance of more racing. As always, looking forward to the full replay. Nice to see Hinch on the podium.

[Jim Thurman]

Yep was a good race, good little track. Not so sure about going back to Pocono though

 

As I've pointed out, despite flukish recent history (and one truly was the absolute definition of a fluke incident), in all the years and thousands upon thousands of miles Championship/Indycars have run there, the worst injury prior to Justin Wilson was likely a broken shoulder and concussion. So, enough of this about Pocono. Its history is truly not bad, and the place isn't evil, especially when compared to some European circuits.

 

Dare I mention that at least one of these two recent incidents was triggered by an overagressive move that went horribly awry? Neither of those were the fault of the track or indicative of it being more dangerous.

 

EDIT: corrected typo made from not having enough coffee

Edited by Jim Thurman, 25 July 2019 - 05:31.

[FLB]

How bad was Lone Star JR's 1982 tumble? Mario broke ribs in 1985 IIRC which caused him to miss Road America,

 

John Andretti's wild ride in 1987 could have happened anywhere.

 

(Michigan in the early/mid -980s, though... )

[djparky]

As I've pointed out, despite flukish recent history (and one truly was the absolute definition of a fluke incident), in all the years and thousands upon thousands of miles Championship/Indycars have run there, the worst injury prior to Justin Wilson was likely a broken shoulder and concussion. So, enough of this about Pocono. It's history is truly not bad, and the place isn't evil, especially when compared to some European circuits.

Dare I mention that at least one of these two recent incidents was triggered by an overagressive move that went horribly awry? Neither of those were the fault of the track or indicative of it being more dangerous.

I'm not suggesting it is evil or anything like that, I know it from Nascar and more recently from Indy Car, and unlike some here I'm a big fan of Indy Car oval racing

[jonpollak]

I love Pocono... they were very kind to us in 2011 when I took the entire Boz crew there. ...

PS. Iowa Fast Forward is up.
https://youtu.be/JbNoLJJbsQI

Jp

[TF110]

Dixon did a Dixon, Power did a Power, Sato did a Sato, Marco did a Marco. Basic Indycar rules 1, 2, 3, 4.

Sato got hit from behind. That's not doing a 'Sato'    Karam should have did what Sato did and use his left foot/pedal. But he didn't

[teejay]

I think it was more had great promise and ending with a nothing result. 

[prommer]

Dale Jr: There's a rumor about Pocono going away. You say you like the fear factor, is there a track any more wild to race on than Pocono?

 

Simon Pagenaud: Pocono is definitely one of the most, yeah, fearful. [...]

 

Dale Jr: If you lost Pocono, would you care? Is it a track that you like to go to?

 

Pagenaud: I've seen so many -- honestly, I'll be very honest. I've seen bad stuff in Pocono, really bad stuff. Too many... I don't like to see that....

 

 

[Just FYI the stuff I redacted was a) Pags saying that Texas makes him dizzy for two days afterward and b) the track he missed the most was Fontana].

[prommer]

To be fair, I pulled a Bad Journalism 101 and pulled out the eye-catching part.  Pags does go on to make a very nuanced point that the reason he doesn't like Pocono is that they've gone into it with too much downforce, which has caused pack racing on a track that probably shouldn't have pack racing on it.  He'd much prefer to be off-throttle there, sliding the car into the turns.

 

Seven-wide or eleventy-wide or whatever it was makes for a great story and a great picture but probably ultimately isn't best for business!

[Peat]

I was super excited when Pocono came back on the schedule. However, the actual racing has only shown flashes of brilliance so far. I don't get the 'too much DF' argument from Pags, becuase I always skip straight to long, strung out green flag runs in my mind. I remember the 7 wide restart, I remember Power brilliantly defending from Newgarden, but I mostly seem to remember watching the laps tick which is further compunded by the tinge of sadness the place has taken on. 

 

If it goes, I'll be sad we lost another SuperSpeedway, not because it was Pocono. 

[DS27]

Sato got hit from behind. That's not doing a 'Sato'    Karam should have did what Sato did and use his left foot/pedal. But he didn't

 

 

Life's too short to get antsy about an obviously tongue in cheek post on a forum y'know.

[B Squared]

Life's too short to get antsy about an obviously tongue in cheek post on a forum y'know.

Life is also too short to have to discern between BS and reality. I've never met you to my knowledge how do any of us know that it was tongue-in-cheek?

[Risil]

I was super excited when Pocono came back on the schedule. However, the actual racing has only shown flashes of brilliance so far. I don't get the 'too much DF' argument from Pags, becuase I always skip straight to long, strung out green flag runs in my mind. I remember the 7 wide restart, I remember Power brilliantly defending from Newgarden, but I mostly seem to remember watching the laps tick which is further compunded by the tinge of sadness the place has taken on. 
 
If it goes, I'll be sad we lost another SuperSpeedway, not because it was Pocono.

 

From what I've seen of videos of Pocono CART races from the 1980s, that's pretty much what Pocono is? It's a challenging track, hard to get a good setup on and breaks cars a bit more than usual (not at Michigan levels, admittedly). Cars string out until they hit handling problems, and passing happens down the straight.

 

But as Robin Miller says, if you're going to have a 500 mile race without much opportunity for wheel-to-wheel racing, you'd better have a big field of cars so there's a show to watch. Pocono with 20-21 cars just isn't right. So if I have an idea, it's take the downforce away like Pagenaud suggests, and get Indycar to reach into its pockets and pay more prize money out to all 500 mile superspeedway races, in recognition of the greater risks and prestige that attend on them. Actually that's Robin Miller's idea. But I agree with him. Oh, and bring back Fontana's October date, too.

 

I think Indycar should persist with Pocono, but I admit that after Wickens' accident in last year's race I turned the TV off and did something else.

[king_crud]

Why not Michigan?

[Risil]

Remember those Michigan races pre-Handford device when the only expectation you had was that fewer than 5 cars would finish? Put me in a straitjacket and drag me off to the Nostalgia Forum because I miss those days.

[Afterburner]

Remember those Michigan races pre-Handford device when the only expectation you had was that fewer than 5 cars would finish? Put me in a straitjacket and drag me off to the Nostalgia Forum because I miss those days.

I remember a night race at Fontana where only six or seven cars finished and Dixon won the championship just by finishing the race! I miss those days, too. I think another superspeedway is pretty much necessary.

[Peat]

^the SEAMS! 

[paulb]

I remember a night race at Fontana where only six or seven cars finished and Dixon won the championship just by finishing the race! I miss those days, too. I think another superspeedway is pretty much necessary.

 

Fontana did produce excellent racing. And it was easy to get a seat with a view of the entire track. It was fascinating watching the different lines drivers would take out of the last turn onto the front "straight".
 

[Peat]

And it was easy to get a seat with a view of the entire track.

 

A little too easily, unfortunatley for the promoter. 

[red stick]

Life is also too short to have to discern between BS and reality.

 

And yet this takes up a considerable part of my day . . .

 

[TF110]

I watch indy because of Sato mostly. I like his aggressive approach and root for him to do well. Honestly a lot of open wheel racing is getting boring, f1 and indycar. Lots say that f1 is predictable, but the same thing applies to indycar. There's a couple of races that are up for grabs but it's usually a penske car at the front. A couple other teams are getting theres but its not a big open championship. 

[Muppetmad]

Penske is always up there and in the hunt, but Rossi, Dixon, Herta and Sato prove that it isn't a Penske walkover this year - and I dare say that, if fate had been kinder, Wickens would also be up at the sharp end each race.

 

IndyCar may not have Formula E levels of unpredictability - although, based on some FE races this year, I don't think this is a bad thing for IndyCar - but the racing and the action remains fantastic. It's still the best racing series of which I know today.

Edited by Muppetmad, 24 July 2019 - 09:15.

[Risil]

I watch indy because of Sato mostly. I like his aggressive approach and root for him to do well. Honestly a lot of open wheel racing is getting boring, f1 and indycar. Lots say that f1 is predictable, but the same thing applies to indycar. There's a couple of races that are up for grabs but it's usually a penske car at the front. A couple other teams are getting theres but its not a big open championship.

 

Penske, Ganassi and Andretti (formerly Team Green) have hoovered up the wins in Indycar for many years, probably once the bottom fell out of the market for different engines, tyres and chassis and it became a contest for whoever could get the most out of the equipment they were given. But the barrier for entry is mostly that the top three teams are really good at what they do, and can invest in the future accordingly. SPM, Rahal, Ed Carpenter and Dale Coyne have looked threatening when they've sorted out an A-grade driver and crew chief combo.

 

Recruiting drivers is really hard when you're not one of the big 3 teams because the salaries are not high, the career/personal risk is bigger than F2 or sports cars, and decamping to America is a big step for drivers who are embedded in Europe or Japan. Everyone forgets about you and it's a whole new culture. 

[TF110]

Just what I was saying. The big(ger) teams will be up front, regardless of where you race, most of the time. People think looking towards Indycar and their regs/rules is a good thing to replicate in a series like F1. If you make things spec it'll still devolve into who has the best rigs and computers to test the setups. If that's taken away it'll be who has the most money for the best driver etc. You can't write a rule to take away an advantage but it does get tedious to see the same guys up front all the time. Maybe it changes. So far this season it hasn't been too bad, but it's mostly when the big guys have a slightly off-day you see the others put it together, and they have to be spot on to do so.

[noriaki]

In F1 there have been 3 drivers from 2 teams putting up realistic championship challenges on the turbo era (Hamilton, Rosberg, Vettel). Maybe Bottas will be the 4th.

In Indycar there have been three times as many drivers - Dixon, Newgarden, Pags, JPM, Power, Helio, RHR, Rahal and Rossi - and 2.5 times as many teams to do so in the same timeframe.

Think it's been a tad less "always the same guys" in Indycar recently

[maximilian]

I always felt that IndyCar needs to retain a Triple Crown of Superspeedway 500 mile races, preferably with one of them the season finale.