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#101 JoBo

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Posted 17 September 2019 - 06:27

If it helps any the normally very critical film critic of the Wall Street Journal enjoyed the movie.....perhaps we should all see it first...then comment?

 

Does anybody know when it will be launched in EU?

 

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#102 Alan Baker

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Posted 17 September 2019 - 13:18

Does anybody know when it will be launched in EU?

 

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The title now seems to be "Le Mans '66" and release date for the UK is November 15th, though we may not be in the EU by then...…….



#103 427MkIV

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Posted 17 September 2019 - 13:33

USA Today says the world premiere "revved up the crowd" and the movie could be in the Oscar running for best picture, best actor and best supporting actor.

 

https://www.usatoday...ves/2303687001/



#104 Michael Ferner

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Posted 17 September 2019 - 14:14

The title now seems to be "Le Mans '66" and release date for the UK is November 15th, though we may not be in the EU by then...…….


March 29, 2269: The British Prime Minister made his annual pilgrimage to Brussels to "negotiate the deal", a ritual whose origins are long lost to history's most obscure niches, but it still makes for a great tourist attraction - thousands of expats and visitors from the mainland, carrying "Brexit" and "Bremain" banners, respectively, staged the now well known mock fight in the streets until sundown, when the whole party descended upon the local pubs to "drown their sorrows". The Belgian capital reports a record attendance for this year's happening, and estimates a cool million in revenue for the city...

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#105 E1pix

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Posted 17 September 2019 - 15:56

Kinda early to be drinking, Innit? ;-)

#106 red stick

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Posted 05 November 2019 - 16:03

Bale prepped for his role at the Bondurant High Performance Driving School.

 

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#107 BRG

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Posted 05 November 2019 - 17:43

Loads of interesting background stuff about the making of the film in the current edition of Motor Sport.



#108 E1pix

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Posted 06 November 2019 - 04:56

Cool to hear it's getting attention.

I was YouTubing albums today while working, and an ad for the film came on between album songs.
(Genesis' Selling England by the Pound, I only have the LP) :-)

I can't wait to see it.

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Posted 06 November 2019 - 09:59

Indeed, looking forward to watching it too. With another big name motor racing film which will be seen beyond racing audiences, we've been well-treated of late.



#110 Giraffe

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Posted 06 November 2019 - 19:11

There is a special preview of the film in Birmingham arranged by Goodyear on Tuesday November 12th and they say that they are putting on a display of cars. Not yet worked out how to get a ticket.... :well: 



#111 MCS

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Posted 06 November 2019 - 21:26

That sounds interesting, Tony.  Oddly enough I am in Wolverhampton tomorrow, where I believe the Goodyear factory is no more (last bit edited for clarification).

 

Last week I was in Stockholm where I was surprised to see the film advertised in a number of places from landing at Arlanda Airport onwards.  Looking forward to it and hope it does Ken Miles justice.


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#112 E1pix

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Posted 07 November 2019 - 03:56

Indeed, looking forward to watching it too. With another big name motor racing film which will be seen beyond racing audiences, we've been well-treated of late.

We should all take a bow in honor of "Driven" starting this wave of great motor racing films.

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#113 absinthedude

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Posted 07 November 2019 - 09:57

Cool to hear it's getting attention.

I was YouTubing albums today while working, and an ad for the film came on between album songs.
(Genesis' Selling England by the Pound, I only have the LP) :-)

I can't wait to see it.

 

 

Perhaps you should do what I've done....bring a spare turntable to the office, along with a spare copy of Selling England :)

 

I'm intending to see the film on Tuesday with a friend who's from Texas and who can trace her family back to Fernand Charron...



#114 Sterzo

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Posted 07 November 2019 - 15:17

Oddly enough I am in Wolverhampton tomorrow, where I believe the Goodyear factory is no more (last bit edited for clarification).

This is true; it's been demolished. Sad for those of us who were brought up in the town. The annual Goodyear factory fire was the nearest thing we had to a cultural event.



#115 E1pix

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Posted 07 November 2019 - 15:55

Perhaps you should do what I've done....bring a spare turntable to the office, along with a spare copy of Selling England :)


Splendid idea, except my office is a VW bus. :-)

#116 red stick

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Posted 08 November 2019 - 15:56

Can't say where this leaves us re accuracy, but if Anthony Lane at the The New Yorker likes it, it appears to work as a movie.

 

https://www.newyorke...-ford-v-ferrari



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Posted 08 November 2019 - 16:38

Can't say where this leaves us re accuracy, but if Anthony Lane at the The New Yorker likes it, it appears to work as a movie.

 

https://www.newyorke...-ford-v-ferrari

We'll see next week, but signs are we might finally have a racing movie worth taking a non-car friend to. I plan to take my 6-year-old who pretends to be a Ford GT when he's riding his bike. I just hope he can make it through 150 minutes plus previews without wanting to leave (of course, my middle-aged self will need multiple bathroom breaks  ): )



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Posted 08 November 2019 - 16:43

Can't say where this leaves us re accuracy, but if Anthony Lane at the The New Yorker likes it, it appears to work as a movie.

 

https://www.newyorke...-ford-v-ferrari

Well, it is at least a tick in the box against "Is this a well made film?" which is a good start.

 

We have had good motor racing films that weren't very good movies, and vice versa, and of course we had 'Drivel' which was a rotten motor racing film AND a rotten movie.  



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Posted 08 November 2019 - 16:48

Well, it is at least a tick in the box against "Is this a well made film?" which is a good start.

 

We have had good motor racing films that weren't very good movies, and vice versa, and of course we had 'Drivel' which was a rotten motor racing film AND a rotten movie.  

 

If this can displace "Days of Thunder" as the racing movie the general public thinks of, that would be awesome. Fortunately, "Days" is getting too far in the past for most people to know anything about it.



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Posted 08 November 2019 - 22:17

I would think Rush or the Senna movie though both with their faults are far better than Top Gun i cars which is what DoT was!

 

Will look forward to this, but maybe not at the cinema!!  



#121 Bloggsworth

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Posted 08 November 2019 - 22:43

Skyped my brother in Toronto last night, he and his son had just seen the film. "Don't bother" was his advice. Ferrari is hardly mentioned, Eric Broadly and the British contribution weren't referenced, and Ken Miles was heard to yell "Yee Har" while on opposite lock...

#122 E1pix

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Posted 08 November 2019 - 22:53

Well, it is at least a tick in the box against "Is this a well made film?" which is a good start.
 
We have had good motor racing films that weren't very good movies, and vice versa, and of course we had 'Drivel' which was a rotten motor racing film AND a rotten movie.

I have to say, "Drivel" is now in my vocabulary. Tragic movie!

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Posted 09 November 2019 - 09:09

I'm very prepared to be disappointed by this, but I've just booked tickets for next Friday evening at the Leicester Square Odeon. At the very least, it'll be a nice evening out for myself and the Wife....... :kiss:



#124 GreenMachine

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Posted 09 November 2019 - 09:23

There is a bunch of car people going to a screening next week, may be some good old fashioned audience feedback if Blogsworth' report proves accurate … :lol:.  I hope not though.



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Posted 09 November 2019 - 09:56

It's a movie, it's Hollywood, it's the 21st Century.......my expectations are low...... :well:



#126 Bloggsworth

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Posted 09 November 2019 - 11:32

I'm very prepared to be disappointed by this, but I've just booked tickets for next Friday evening at the Leicester Square Odeon. At the very least, it'll be a nice evening out for myself and the Wife....... :kiss:

 

The last time I was there it was a BRSCC jaunt to see Grand Prix. We were lucky enough to be sitting at the focal point of the curved screen and the effect was quite dizzying during the cornering sequences, almost 3D in effect.



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Posted 10 November 2019 - 17:46

My local cinema is showing it next Friday. The 10:30 showing is £5.50 so I thought it was worth a punt. It will be interesting to compare the film with my memories of actually being at Le Mans '66 as a ten year old.


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#128 john ruston

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Posted 10 November 2019 - 20:51

Rush was a decent film?
This one doesn’t look to good especially from a racing history perspective!
Can’t see the connection between an actors politics and acting ability.
Anyway a US left winger is a Brit conservative.
I’ll trot along next Monday with my senior citizen discount just to see what they have made of it.
The trailer is awful
I was at Le Mans in 66 as a photographer for Sporting Motorist
Highlight the Renault resturant and bar at Mulsanne hirpin,brilliant.

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Posted 10 November 2019 - 20:58

Does anybody know when it will be launched in EU?

 

JoBo

 

France on 13th November, most other countries the following day.



#130 R.W. Mackenzie

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Posted 10 November 2019 - 22:16

What is or isn't a decent racing movie seems to depend on our individual experience and expectations. When I saw "Grand Prix" back in the winter of 1967/68 I knew nothing about racing and I was blown away. I still watch it today whenever I want to remember what racing was like back when I first got the bug. But when I was racing Formula Ford back in the early 80's I shared a garage with three brothers who had been racing since the 60's. They described how eagerly they had awaited its release, only to be hugely disappoint when they saw it. They thought it was crap. Judging from what I've read online, opinions vary widely.

 

I haven't heard much in the way of criticism of "Le Mans". In some ways I think it is better than "Grand Prix" but I find myself re-watching the Frankenheimer film more often. My younger brother and I argue (amicably) about which is better almost whenever we get together. (He prefers "Le Mans" and rejects my assertion that some of the in-car shots were filmed at noticeably less than race speed.)

 

I was very disappointed by "Rush" due to the unrealistic staged race scenes and the complete lack of effort to replicate the venues where those scenes occurred. (From the trailers for "Ford v Ferrari", it appears much more effort has been made in this regard.) But I was blown away by the performances of Hemsworth and Bruhl as Hunt and Lauda. I don't think I have ever seen as accurate a biographical depiction (appearance, voice, mannerisms, etc) in any film of any genre. They may have been other worthy examples but my standard has always been George C. Scott in "Patton". (He had the appearance and mannerisms down pat but wouldn't try to replicate Patton's higher pitched nasal tone.)

 

I was also tickled by the thought that Hollywood would make a movie about a story I had followed so closely when it actually happened. (I was at Mosport for the '76 GP which was Lauda's second race back after the crash and on this and other occasions was within feet of the two drivers.) I didn't think anyone outside of race fans really cared. Yes, the story was messed with as Hollywood does but it could have been a lot worse.

 

There are a lot of terrible or just mediocre racing movies out there. ("Winning", "The Green Helmet", "The Racers", "The Young Racers" and "Bobby Deerfield" to name a few.) But even these usually have some interesting racing scenes that you can fast forward to to avoid the rest of the agony. I'm not sure that "Days of Thunder" fits that category and I have never seen, nor will I ever see the Stallone film.

 

From the trailers for "Ford v Ferrari" I am already disappointed by the casting of Matt Damon as Carroll Shelby. Matt is one of my favourite actors but he is not Carroll Shelby. Christian Bale seems better as Ken Miles but then I haven't seen much video of the real Ken to know. And it seems the story has been given the usual Hollywood treatment. But I am still looking forward to seeing it this Friday when it comes to town.

 

Don't anyone tell me how it ends! :lol:


Edited by R.W. Mackenzie, 11 November 2019 - 00:32.


#131 E1pix

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Posted 10 November 2019 - 22:34

Your comments about Rush pretty much mirror mine.

My first GP was the Glen in '76 so any shortcomings in the film become inconsequential in light of that -- and being a racing film to begin with. So in short, we have a DVD and love watching it regardless.

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Posted 11 November 2019 - 03:50

https://www.racefans...rrari-reviewed/

 

 

So having gone to see Le Mans ’66, while knowing it was in fact Ford v Ferrari, what I ended up watching was Ford v Ford. That, plus the under-cooked racing action, made it somewhat of a disappointment, though one with plenty of visual treats plus the occasional laugh for motor racing fans.



#133 Alan Baker

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Posted 11 November 2019 - 11:21

The last time I was there it was a BRSCC jaunt to see Grand Prix. We were lucky enough to be sitting at the focal point of the curved screen and the effect was quite dizzying during the cornering sequences, almost 3D in effect.

That was the Casino Cinerama Theatre, not the Odeon Leicester Square! This new film is in bog standard digital projection, not 70mm Cinerama. The Casino Cinerama has for decades now been operating as a live theatre under its original name of the Prince Edward Theatre



#134 427MkIV

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Posted Yesterday, 20:02

Ran across this 26-minute documentary on YouTube about the finish of the race. Joe Macura, "the father of the 427" has a great quote at the end.

 

https://www.youtube....h?v=fhiWRTDZ7-E


Edited by 427MkIV, Yesterday, 20:06.