What he waiting for? Five years in F1 and STILL has NO POLE.
How long before Max Verstappen take his maiden pole
#1
Posted 27 July 2019 - 18:30
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#2
Posted 27 July 2019 - 18:32
I´m guessing somewhere this year. There´s no Ricciardo to take it away in the last minute this time. So if RB delivers, odds are very high that he´ll take it.
#3
Posted 27 July 2019 - 18:36
It's one of F1's modern mysteries as to how Verstappen has not been on pole position at some point, given his talent.
#4
Posted 27 July 2019 - 18:36
Btw option "Probably never" is for haters only
#5
Posted 27 July 2019 - 18:40
He probably has a shot in Budapest, Singapore, Sao Paulo and is favourite in Mexico. I guess he will use one of those chances.
#6
Posted 27 July 2019 - 18:42
Before Hulk gets a podium.
#7
Posted 27 July 2019 - 18:45
It would be funny if Gazman, not Verstappen, take pole when Red Bull actually has a shot for it ha ha
#8
Posted 27 July 2019 - 19:45
#9
Posted 27 July 2019 - 19:48
#10
Posted 27 July 2019 - 19:50
#11
Posted 27 July 2019 - 19:51
#12
Posted 27 July 2019 - 19:53
#13
Posted 27 July 2019 - 20:13
It's one of F1's modern mysteries as to how Verstappen has not been on pole position at some point, given his talent.
nah, Hybrid era Mercedes, solved.
If you’re not in one of those silver things you’ve got like three chances a year and the cards haven’t fallen his way so far.
#14
Posted 27 July 2019 - 20:19
Are there any statistics available to compare how often drivers in their second Q3 runs? I expect that Hamilton has a much higher ratio in this respect.
#15
Posted 27 July 2019 - 20:21
Hungary
#16
Posted 27 July 2019 - 20:27
nah, Hybrid era Mercedes, solved.
If you’re not in one of those silver things you’ve got like three chances a year and the cards haven’t fallen his way so far.
I think when he joined Red Bull in 2016 and if you said he would not have a pole position more than 3 years later (despite having 7 wins) then people would have laughed, thinking that he would have taken a pole position, especially with 7 wins.
#17
Posted 27 July 2019 - 20:45
I have the impression Verstappen does not often improve in his second Q3 lap.
Are there any statistics available to compare how often drivers in their second Q3 runs? I expect that Hamilton has a much higher ratio in this respect.
This season so far not.
Of all the times they had two runs in Q3
- Leclerc improved in 88 % of them in the 2nd run
- Verstappen 70 %
- Vettel 67 %
- Hamilton 64 %
- Bottas 50 %
Not sure if that's really relevant though, being able to set a good banker lap is also important.
#18
Posted 27 July 2019 - 20:52
The car is already capable, Red Bull just need a decent second driver to get pole with it.
#19
Posted 27 July 2019 - 21:06
Wonder how many Ham/Vet would have achieved in 3 years?
This is why you can't consider him the pure fastest driver
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#20
Posted 27 July 2019 - 21:09
I think when he joined Red Bull in 2016 and if you said he would not have a pole position more than 3 years later (despite having 7 wins) then people would have laughed, thinking that he would have taken a pole position, especially with 7 wins.
Did you just spoil this weekend´s result?
#21
Posted 27 July 2019 - 21:10
It's utterly incredible that he's achieved second-on-grid with an engine lacking the qualifying power of both Mercedes and Ferrari. Honda probably can't be expected to make a big enough step up until the off season, so I'd predict next year.
#22
Posted 27 July 2019 - 21:11
Even though mega Gasly did a time half a tenth slower, that was slower in the part he went off limits than his lap before?It's utterly incredible that he's achieved second-on-grid with an engine lacking the qualifying power of both Mercedes and Ferrari. Honda probably can't be expected to make a big enough step up until the off season, so I'd predict next year.
#23
Posted 27 July 2019 - 21:24
Ricciardo had 3 poles in the same car(if Max had qualified within 2 tenths of DR Monaco 16 I'd consider it his pole because of engine upgrade)
Wonder how many Ham/Vet would have achieved in 3 years?
This is why you can't consider him the pure fastest driver
If you compare him with Ricciardo, you’d also know that Ricciardo has been soundly beaten in the qualifying duels in 2017 and 2018. Often with 0,5 gsps as well.
The three times Ricciardo got pole, Verstappen did not participate in Q3 twice and lost out in Q3 once with a few hundreds.
‘Mega Gasly’ has the largest Q gap of all drivers to Verstappen. Larger than Kubica to Russell even.
This Ricciardo 3 poles Verstappen zero stat is only mentioned to downgrade Verstappen. It’s pretty silly.
#24
Posted 27 July 2019 - 21:26
Ricciardo had 3 poles in the same car(if Max had qualified within 2 tenths of DR Monaco 16 I'd consider it his pole because of engine upgrade)
Wonder how many Ham/Vet would have achieved in 3 years?
This is why you can't consider him the pure fastest driver
Both Horner and Marko said before the season started that qualifying is the area he still needs to improve. It's a bit of a shame he doesn't have a proper teammate as a benchmark this season.
Even though Marko said he made a mistake today that cost him 2 tenths, you wouldn't know that from looking at the results. Just about every other driver finds himself behind his teammate with such a mistake more often than not.
Instead the "faultless Verstappen" narrative continues.
Edited by beachdrifter, 27 July 2019 - 21:28.
#25
Posted 27 July 2019 - 21:28
Both Horner and Marko said before the season started that qualifying is the area he still needs to improve. It's a bit of a shame he doesn't have a proper teammate as a benchmark this season.
Even though Marko said he made a mistake today that cost him 2 tenths, you wouldn't know that from looking at the results. Just about every other driver finds himself behind his teammate with such a mistake more often than not.
I did not see those quotes from Horner and Marko.
Where did you read that?
#26
Posted 27 July 2019 - 21:29
I did not see those quotes from Horner and Marko.
Where did you read that?
Pre-season coverage. Praising his race pace, but pointing out qualifying as the area he still needs to improve.
#27
Posted 27 July 2019 - 21:31
Pre-season coverage. Praising his race pace, but pointing out qualifying as the area he still needs to improve.
Can you link to that source?
#28
Posted 27 July 2019 - 21:31
Some quotes please. And Ricciardo wasn’t a proper teammate for 3 seasons?Both Horner and Marko said before the season started that qualifying is the area he still needs to improveIt's a bit of a shame he doesn't have a proper teammate as a benchmark this season.
#29
Posted 27 July 2019 - 21:35
Pre-season coverage. Praising his race pace, but pointing out qualifying as the area he still needs to improve.
They said that about Verstappen? I know they said they expected to be close in qualifying, but he´d need to improve in the race.
I actually dont think Verstappen is a very good qualifier. He is very fast and that helps him in qualifying, but I do feel sometimes he can get more out of the car. I think his biggest strength is actually his race pace.
Therefore, one could argue relatively speaking he can still improve his qualifying. I would argue that is already a better qualifier than average though...
#30
Posted 27 July 2019 - 21:36
Can you link to that source?
I read hundreds of articles in pre-season in a number of different languages, I wouldn't even know what to search for.
The reason it stood out to me at the time was that it was different articles, one with Marko saying it, and another with Horner saying it, suggesting to me they have identified that as an area to focus on for this season.
They didn't say he was a mediocre qualifier or anything, just that his strength is race pace and that one lap pace is still something he needs to work on.
#31
Posted 27 July 2019 - 21:37
#32
Posted 27 July 2019 - 21:39
You are confusing things. They were talking about Gasly and expected him to be close at qualifying, but to be a quite off on Sundays. They never said Max needed to work or focus on his qualification.I read hundreds of articles in pre-season in a number of different languages, I wouldn't even know what to search for.
The reason it stood out to me at the time was that it was different articles, one with Marko saying it, and another with Horner saying it, suggesting to me they have identified that as an area to focus on for this season.
They didn't say he was a mediocre qualifier or anything, just that his strength is race pace and that one lap pace is still something he needs to work on.
Edited by Ivanhoe, 27 July 2019 - 21:40.
#33
Posted 27 July 2019 - 21:40
I read hundreds of articles in pre-season in a number of different languages, I wouldn't even know what to search for.
The reason it stood out to me at the time was that it was different articles, one with Marko saying it, and another with Horner saying it, suggesting to me they have identified that as an area to focus on for this season.
They didn't say he was a mediocre qualifier or anything, just that his strength is race pace and that one lap pace is still something he needs to work on.
I actually agree with that last sentence. Because his innate (is that how you spell it?) speed is high, he´s doing good in qualifying. but he has the potential to do better.
#34
Posted 27 July 2019 - 21:44
#35
Posted 27 July 2019 - 21:45
When he will join Mercedes.
#36
Posted 27 July 2019 - 22:02
So, not only do you have the drivers mixed up, you alsl have no quote... AgainBoth Horner and Marko said before the season started that qualifying is the area he still needs to improve. It's a bit of a shame he doesn't have a proper teammate as a benchmark this season.
Even though Marko said he made a mistake today that cost him 2 tenths, you wouldn't know that from looking at the results. Just about every other driver finds himself behind his teammate with such a mistake more often than not.
Instead the "faultless Verstappen" narrative continues.
#37
Posted 27 July 2019 - 22:06
I read hundreds of articles in pre-season in a number of different languages, I wouldn't even know what to search for.
The reason it stood out to me at the time was that it was different articles, one with Marko saying it, and another with Horner saying it, suggesting to me they have identified that as an area to focus on for this season.
They didn't say he was a mediocre qualifier or anything, just that his strength is race pace and that one lap pace is still something he needs to work on.
Thought so... just inventing some stuff again.
If either Horner and/or Marko would have said explicitly that Verstappen needs to work on his qualifying, it would have long been discussed on this forum before since it is quite a remarkable thing to say.
Afaik, Marko only said pre season that he expected Gasly to challenge Verstappen in qualifying from the start.
#38
Posted 27 July 2019 - 22:07
Edited by Ivanhoe, 27 July 2019 - 22:08.
#39
Posted 27 July 2019 - 22:13
I actually agree with that last sentence. Because his innate (is that how you spell it?) speed is high, he´s doing good in qualifying. but he has the potential to do better.
Yes.
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#40
Posted 27 July 2019 - 22:14
Afaik, Marko
onlysaid pre season that he expected Gasly to challenge Verstappen in qualifying from the start.
He said that also.
#41
Posted 27 July 2019 - 22:16
Based purely on the Sky Muppetry (Commentary) he will get pole when he changes his number from 33.
Edited by Garndell, 27 July 2019 - 22:16.
#42
Posted 27 July 2019 - 22:17
#43
Posted 27 July 2019 - 22:21
He said that also.
No, he just said that. Don’t make things up, or provide us with a link. If Marko and Horner really said this, it should be very easy to find.
Edited by Ivanhoe, 27 July 2019 - 22:22.
#44
Posted 27 July 2019 - 22:22
He said that also.
If you cant show it, it has not been said.
#45
Posted 27 July 2019 - 22:23
No, he just said that.
He said a lot more than that. And Horner did, too.
#46
Posted 27 July 2019 - 22:26
He said a lot more than that. And Horner did, too.
Still waiting for that link, can’t be that difficult to find. I already tried Google. No succes.
#47
Posted 27 July 2019 - 22:29
Still waiting for that link, can’t be that difficult to find.
Of course it's difficult. Try finding German or French articles on something as specific as that, without knowing the exact wording. It's close to impossible, otherwise I'd have already done it.
#48
Posted 27 July 2019 - 22:33
Of course it's difficult. Try finding German or French articles on something as specific as that, without knowing the exact wording. It's close to impossible, otherwise I'd have already done it.
I actually read in some pre season coverage that Toto Wolff said that Verstappen already is faster than his own drivers in qualifying.
Unfortunately it was a Dutch article, one of the many I read, so it’s a bit difficult to find...
#49
Posted 27 July 2019 - 22:34
He’ll win the title before he gets a pole
Pretty much an impossible task...
Edited by RogerStone, 27 July 2019 - 22:34.
#50
Posted 27 July 2019 - 22:45
Next year, and I have a sneaking suspicion that next year the RB is going to be right up there and a major thorn in the side of Merc taking wins of them.