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#1 SR781

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Posted 20 August 2019 - 04:21

I am trying to find out how many Racing cars were manufactured at McLaren by staff members as their own cars and were not called McLaren, i know of two the TUI and the first Kaditcha?


Edited by SR781, 20 August 2019 - 10:32.


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#2 Catalina Park

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Posted 20 August 2019 - 07:21

Where did Ross Stone make the Cuda JR3?
The McBegg deserves an honourable mention.

#3 SR781

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Posted 20 August 2019 - 07:37

Catalina Park did those cars feature McLaren parts or were physically made at McLaren



#4 Michael Ferner

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Posted 20 August 2019 - 10:15

The 1981 Marlboro MP4, for instance...

#5 lustigson

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Posted 20 August 2019 - 10:42

The 1981 Marlboro MP4, for instance...

 

Was that car called 'Marlboro' just like Lotuses were 'John Player Special'?



#6 Michael Ferner

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Posted 20 August 2019 - 11:56

I think so, yes.

#7 lustigson

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Posted 20 August 2019 - 13:31

I always wondered why there were no more major sponsors that demanded the teams to be renamed, just like pro cycling has done for ages, e.g. JPS, Marlboro, Vodafone, et cetera.

 

The only examples that come close to this model are Benetton (Toleman) and Red Bull (Jaguar née Stewart), but they, of course are/were full owners of said teams.



#8 uechtel

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Posted 20 August 2019 - 15:54

Yeoman Credit, UDT-Laystall, Politoys, Iso-Marlboro, Copersucar, Lec, Venturi, Alfa Romeo...



#9 nexfast

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Posted 20 August 2019 - 22:05

Leyton House and Spyker too



#10 Catalina Park

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Posted 21 August 2019 - 07:26

Catalina Park did those cars feature McLaren parts or were physically made at McLaren

The McBegg used a lot of McLaren parts and drawings, Bruce gave George Begg the bits as a going away present. It was built in NZ.

I don't know where the Cuda JR3 was built. Jimmy Stone worked for McLaren for a few years.

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Posted 21 August 2019 - 08:00

Leyton House and Spyker too

 But I think these came together with change of ownership, like also Footwork, Jaguar, Toro Rosso, Honda, "Lotus" (Genii), Virgin, Caterham, Renault, Mercedes...



#12 uechtel

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Posted 21 August 2019 - 08:10

The 1981 Marlboro MP4, for instance...

 

You mean all the cars that were called McLarens but built at Project Four Racing? :rolleyes:



#13 SR781

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Posted 21 August 2019 - 08:21

Catalina Park I am looking for cars that were manufactured at the McLaren Factory by people that worked there for their own use, I have tried to reword the Topic but I cannot find how to do it?



#14 SR781

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Posted 21 August 2019 - 08:24

uechtel I am looking for cars that were made by employees at the McLaren factory for their own use.



#15 nexfast

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Posted 21 August 2019 - 18:23

 But I think these came together with change of ownership, like also Footwork, Jaguar, Toro Rosso, Honda, "Lotus" (Genii), Virgin, Caterham, Renault, Mercedes...

 

Yes, indeed, but in the case of Leyton House it was similar to Benetton in the sense that a former sponsor takes ownership of a team and renames it according to its brand. Spyker, meanwhile, I see it as in the same mould as Red Bull - buying  an existent  team and giving it a new name (of the buyer). Which of course also applies to the ones you mention in the quoted post.



#16 lustigson

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Posted 22 August 2019 - 08:36

Thanks, uechtel, nexfast! 

 

My thoughts were along the lines of, more recently, Sir Dave Brailsford's cycling team changing its identity from Sky to Ineos, or, more of an extreme example, Dutchman Jan Raas founding the Kwantum–Decosol–Yoko team in 1984, that had 8 different identities, including Rabobank (1996-2012), and that is now Jumbo–Visma. And in the mean time, they've always been in contention for stage and race wins.

 

And now, back on topic.  :p


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#17 Roger Clark

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Posted 15 September 2019 - 23:31

The Cooper T79?

#18 Ray Bell

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Posted 16 September 2019 - 01:02

I don't think so, Roger...

That was built in 1963 and probably by Bruce and his blokes, but I would be pretty confident it was built at Cooper's as Bruce was still driving for them.

#19 Roger Clark

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Posted 16 September 2019 - 07:41

I thought the T79 was built in New Malden in 1964, but I may be wrong.

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Posted 16 September 2019 - 09:37

The McBegg used a lot of McLaren parts and drawings, Bruce gave George Begg the bits as a going away present. It was built in NZ.

I don't know where the Cuda JR3 was built. Jimmy Stone worked for McLaren for a few years.

 

The Cuda JR3 and the two Formula Fords that preceded it were built in NZ. The first time I saw the car race it was powered by a 1300cc engine!  


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#21 Ray Bell

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Posted 16 September 2019 - 10:02

Sorry, Roger, it was 1964 of course...

But the same applies, Bruce was still a Works driver and it seems to me that it would be unlikely that he'd go away from the Cooper factory to build that car.

#22 Macca

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Posted 18 September 2019 - 06:00

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At the Revival, but not seen on track on the Friday or Sunday.

 

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#23 Roger Clark

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Posted 20 September 2019 - 23:31

Sorry, Roger, it was 1964 of course...

But the same applies, Bruce was still a Works driver and it seems to me that it would be unlikely that he'd go away from the Cooper factory to build that car.

The McLaren team built the Cooper-Oldsmobile, didn't they?



#24 Ray Bell

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 05:23

I'm sure they did, but that wouldn't have been in opposition to anything Cooper were doing at that time...

I wonder if Doug knows for sure?

Or if there's anything in an Eoin Young column somewhere?

#25 Derwent Motorsport

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Posted 15 October 2019 - 11:06

These days in the BTCC the cars are known by their sponsors rather than their makes, although in most cases there is very little of each car that relates to it's supposed manufacturer.