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[TomNokoe]

As quickly as the paddock departs a sombre Spa, we arrive at Monza. Where better to reflect and renew competitive spirit and passions ...

 

Shrieking engines echoing through the forest, the soundtrack. Blink-and-you'll-miss-it flashes of sponsorfied liveries, the pictures. 163.78mph of drag-shedding, record-breaking speed, the intrigue.

 

" Tempio della Velocità "

 

Can Ferrari win at Monza for the first time since 2010?

Will Mercedes spoil their party again?

How will Alex Albon fare in his first uninterrupted weekend?

Are McLaren able to bounce back from their Belgian no-score?

Is the average speed lap record going to be broken again?
 

Welcome to (the build-up) Round 14 of the 2019 FIA Formula One World Championship

 

 

Circuit
 

 

 

Tyres
A step softer compared to last year

 

 

Schedule

Standard Liberty European timing (CEST)

 

FP1 1100-1230

FP2 1500-1630

FP3 1200-1300

Q 1500-1600

R 1510-1710

 

Weather

Ferrari fans look away

 

Friday - 19-21°C, cloudy + possible rain

Saturday - 23-25°C, sunny

Sunday - 17-19°C, cloudy + probable rain
 

Forecast .gif behind spoiler tags

Spoiler

 

Standings
 

 

 

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Assorted VTEC rumours, rain-dances and predictions welcome below ...

 

[w1Y]

Vettel
Le Clerc
Lewis
Bottas
Verstappen (even tho starts at back)

[Sunnny]

Vettel
Le Clerc
Lewis
Bottas
Verstappen (even tho starts at back)

 

You think Max will be ahead of Albion? Might as well bring back Gasly 

 

I agree with the rest. 

[BuddyHolly]

Ham

Lec

Vet

Bot

Alb

[Marklar]

Max to win from the back row in rain chaos and putting the hype train firmly back in motion.

Edited by Marklar, 04 September 2019 - 17:53.

[JustNotFastEnough]

Lec

Ham

Vet

Bot

Albon

Kimi

Perez

Verstappen

[Heyli]

Probable rain? Tom, what are you doing! You jinxed it massively!

[Marklar]

Hockenheim: Mercedes celebrates anniversary, rain predicted

Monza: Ferrari celebrates anniversary, rain predicted

[TauriJ]

Probable rain? Tom, what are you doing! You jinxed it massively!

more like torrential rain

 

[FLB]

... So another front row qualifying for Stroll?

[Laster]

Wet race? As ever with F1 and its weather forecasts, I will believe it when I see it.

[HeadFirst]

... So another front row qualifying for Stroll?

 

Fail to see what you are getting at.

[Fatgadget]

Probable rain? Tom, what are you doing! You jinxed it massively!

When was the last time a wet Monza?

[mgs315]

I’m going. Yes it will be wet. I can’t bloody wait!

Having said that I’ve heard that a wet GP at Monza is like the Somme. Anyone been?

Also again having said that the weather has been all over the place the last few days..

Edited by mgs315, 04 September 2019 - 19:42.

[TomNokoe]

When was the last time a wet Monza?

Quali 2017
Race 2008

[anyeis]

5cm of rain. Better hope the race will be even run

[Paco]

All bets are offf but I think Hamilton will win from 3rd as I can’t see Ferrari to play the rear gunner again..

[Heyli]

Based on these weather forecasts, I better block my calendar from 14 until about 20, as things might get red flagged/delayed now and then...

 

It´s only wednesday though. Don´t be surprised if we have a bone dry race. Would be very interesting to have Max coming from the back in a wet race though. (although it obviously can be over in lap 1 already... )

Edited by Heyli, 04 September 2019 - 19:55.

[Atreiu]

Go Vettel.

If a Ferrari must win, I prefer he does it.

[sportyskells]

And in F2 case a safe set of races, I check another forecast and it says showers for Friday and Sunday with a dry Saturday

[Thursday]

I like how the official map shows 11 corners but from my PlayStation  simulator experience there are only 6 braking events and 2 of them are dabs not events.

[TomNokoe]

What is the engine situation? This is my best guesstimate:

Mercedes
Spec 3 from Spa

Ferrari
Spec 3 brand new

Red Bull
Albon - Spec 4 from Spa (not yet raced)
Verstappen - Spec 4 brand new grid penalty confirmed

McLaren
Sainz - Spec 3 from Spa (not yet raced)
Norris - Spec 3 brand new? Grid penalty?

Toro Rosso
Kvyat - Spec 4 from Spa
Gasly - Spec 4 brand new grid penalty confirmed

Renault
Spec 3 from Spa (not yet raced)

Racing Point
New Spec 3 again? Grid penalty?

Alfa Romeo
Kimi - Old Spec 2 (thanks tigerkimi 🐯🇫🇮)
Giovinazzi - Spec 3 from Spa

Haas
Spec 3 from Spa

Williams
Russell - Spec 3 from Spa
Kubica - Spec 3 brand new after blow up?

Drivers in italics I am unsure

Edited by TomNokoe, 05 September 2019 - 07:43.

[MortenF1]

The forecast is already changed and the rain will artive sooner. Late Saturday evening and into the dawn on Sunday. Per now, dry qualifying, dry race.

[Astandahl]

Ferrari poster for Monza. Probably the best they've ever done.

Edited by Astandahl, 04 September 2019 - 21:23.

[MKSixer]

Quali:

LEC, VET, HAM, BOT, PER

 

Race:

HAM, LEC, VET, BOT, ALB

[JG]

I can’t see Prost and Alonso?

[MortenF1]

Isn’t it Alonso with the steering wheel? Look aaaalmost top right for Prost.

[Astandahl]

I can’t see Prost and Alonso?

Prost is very small in the top right. Alonso is with the steering in his hands and the helmet.

[Marklar]

Ngl they managed to hide Alonso well in that way, unless you recognize that pose you wouldnt find him lol

[Atreiu]

Now THAT is a God damn motherfvcking race poster. 

[tom]

Redbull win paying $21, hard not to try that!
I see they're still talking of a wet Friday practice but Sunday now morning rain clearing.
Probably change it to 60mm rain afternoon downpour by tomorrow

[HeadFirst]

I always find the start at Monza a bit nerve-wracking to watch. I hope no-one tries to win the race (or make up for a poor start) in the first corner. 

[jonpollak]

Have become a bit of an Albon fan ....
Jp

[jonpollak]

Aren’t Lewis and Schumacher tied on 5 ?
Jp

[Gary Davies]

Ferrari poster for Monza. Probably the best they've ever done.

I like, but I'm have difficulty spotting Chris Amon, of whom Forghieri said, "as far as I'm concerned, he was as good as Clark."

[Gary Davies]

Prost is very small in the top right. Alonso is with the steering in his hands and the helmet.

Beat me to it with Prost. But I will note that both Prost and Surtees are tiny. And both, of course, departed Modena in bad blood! 

[Gary Davies]

Can't spot Ginther or Gurney either. And their first American World Champion is pretty invisible, too. 

 

Oh, and can't see either Peter Collins or Luigi Musso.

[mangeliiito]

Quali 2017

Oh, the mud was everywhere, and so cold. And eveytine the delayed message came up people were booing and screaming, fond memories!
Hope for everyone at the track it will stay dry.

[kernel]

The forecast is already changed and the rain will artive sooner. Late Saturday evening and into the dawn on Sunday. Per now, dry qualifying, dry race.

 

If it rains in the morning as much as forecast, there is no way that the track will be dry for the race. It will be very damp given the cold temperature.

[Vesuvius]

If it rains in the morning as much as forecast, there is no way that the track will be dry for the race. It will be very damp given the cold temperature.

Current forecast (Norwegian) says 18mm of rain during 02-08 am, after dry and temperatures will be +22C at highest (so not excatly cold), there are also othe classes driving, so it will dry.

Edited by Vesuvius, 05 September 2019 - 06:43.

[Donkey]

When was the last time a wet Monza?

Vettel dominating in a Toro Rosso.

Seems amazing that that was 11 years ago now.

But seriously, if there is 50mm+ of rain there will be no race.

[SophieB]

Ngl they managed to hide Alonso well in that way, unless you recognize that pose you wouldnt find him lol

 

He is like the first Mrs Rochester, hidden away in the attic!

[SophieB]

I like how the official map shows 11 corners but from my PlayStation  simulator experience there are only 6 braking events and 2 of them are dabs not events.

 

I like how the current track is shaped like a big sock.

[tigerkimi]

What is the engine situation? This is my best guesstimate:

Mercedes
Spec 3 from Spa

Ferrari
Spec 3 brand new

Red Bull
Albon - Spec 4 from Spa (not yet raced)
Verstappen - Spec 4 brand new grid penalty confirmed

McLaren
Sainz - Spec 3 from Spa (not yet raced)
Norris - Spec 3 brand new? Grid penalty?

Toro Rosso
Kvyat - Spec 4 from Spa
Gasly - Spec 4 brand new grid penalty confirmed

Renault
Spec 3 from Spa (not yet raced)

Racing Point
New Spec 3 again? Grid penalty?

Alfa Romeo
Kimi - Spec 2 used
Giovinazzi - Spec 3 from Spa

Haas
Spec 3 from Spa

Williams
Russell - Spec 3 from Spa
Kubica - Spec 3 brand new after blow up?

Drivers in italics I am unsure

 

 

While the works cars are scheduled to take the new engine in Spa, Alfa Romeo boss Fred Vasseur told Motorsport.com that there are no plans for Kimi Raikkonen to upgrade for the Italian manufacturer's home race.

 

from motorsport.com

 

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[d246]

The forecast is already changed and the rain will artive sooner. Late Saturday evening and into the dawn on Sunday. Per now, dry qualifying, dry race.

I do hope so, as I'm going this year. As much as I enjoy the odd wet race, I prefer it to be on a TV screen.

[d246]

Have become a bit of an Albon fan ....
Jp

He's kind of hard not to like. A bit different from the bulk of the pack.

[Ellios]

If it rains as much as that forecast then no race will take place. Hopefully it changes between now and the race start, plenty of time.

 

and for JP

 

Edited by Ellios, 05 September 2019 - 07:36.

[cjm321190]

Let’s hope for rain before the start. Intermediate tyre start or even damp with a risky dry tyre start.

I always find a full wet Monza Robs is of a fast race but a full dry Monza can be a bit boring.

That’s why I likes the old hockenheim fast and unique.

[BuddyHolly]

Isn't it 49 years today since we lost Jochen? 

 

I love Monza, always did. I love a pure power track! is this also going to be the last chance Ferrari have for another win this season?