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Kerb at the Parabolica needs to go - big crash in F3 [merged threads]

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#351 Atreiu

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Posted 12 September 2019 - 14:22

Eliminate flat and and wide exit cubrs. Then install fifteen feet wide strips of well kept grass outlining the circuits, only then, after the grass, have either gravel or asfalt run offs.


Grass works fine. Think Vettel at Canada. When he ran wide the grass allowed him to retain enough controle to return without gaining time or making his mistake negligible. He ultimately paid for his mistake and that was a job well done by the run off in allowing a competitor to continue after a mistake without gaining any advantage.

Edited by Atreiu, 12 September 2019 - 14:23.


#352 7MGTEsup

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Posted 12 September 2019 - 15:24

Good question. No reason at all other than the weird belief that sandtraps are somehow dangerous. There have been no serious incidents at the Parabollica for years so yeah lets totally change the run off... Utter cretins with nothing better to do basically. 


I thought it was to make it safer for bikers as tumbling through a gravel trap leads to broken bones......

#353 ExFlagMan

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Posted 12 September 2019 - 15:28

In the case of Canada the grass has 12 months to recover.  Most permanent circuits run race meetings and/or track days nearly every weekend so unless they have come up with ultra quick growing grass that can go from seed sowing to fully formed roots systems (which grass run-off areas rely on to hold the underlying supporting material together) overnight, that idea does not really work for many of the classic F1 circuits. 


If they did manage to develop a suitable fast growing grass strain, I guess a beneficial side effect might be that the grass would grow so quick it might repair itself between each car going off, though I am not sure Safety Car interventions every few laps for marshals to mow the run-off areas so that spectators could see the track would go down too well.  

Edited by ExFlagMan, 12 September 2019 - 15:30.

#354 uzsjgb

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Posted 12 September 2019 - 15:50

I thought it was to make it safer for bikers as tumbling through a gravel trap leads to broken bones......


No, asphalt is for cars, gravel is for motorcycles.


For example, Spa wants to host a motorcycle race, which means they have to comply with the FIM safety regulations, which means gravel traps will need to added to Eau Rouge and Raidillon. Gravel traps, which were removed almost 20 years ago to make these corners safer for cars. You see the dilemma circuits are in. The best solution for safety would be to have circuits exclusively for cars and others for motorcycles. Because that seldom happens due to monetary reasons you have to compromise on safety.

#355 AnttiK

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Posted 12 September 2019 - 15:54

Grass + Montreal reminds me of Pedro Diniz kindly spreading grass around the whole circuit in 1998.  :lol: 

#356 Muppetmad

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Posted 12 September 2019 - 16:48



I find it frustrating how the FIA responds in a kneejerk manner to incidents involving elements which should be left entirely alone, but refuses to respond to an unsafety feature (because that's what sausages kerbs are at heart) which has caused several entirely foreseeable accidents in recent years. The FIA really does employ the most preposterous logic.

#357 Whatisvalis

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Posted 12 September 2019 - 16:58

There's no place for high curbs that can launch cars - the FIA need to get a grip. It was sheer luck the driver or a marshal didn't sustain serious injury.

#358 AustinF1

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Posted 12 September 2019 - 17:04

I'm surprised this hasn't been posted yet. A step forward, but I'd still rather see gravel ... or even just a grass strip between the track and a paved runoff.


Monza's Parabolica "a prime area" for timing loop - Masi https://www.motorspo...a-masi/4539913/

Edited by AustinF1, 12 September 2019 - 17:05.

#359 cpbell

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Posted 13 September 2019 - 16:17


After his enormous airborne FIA Formula 3 crash at Monza, Alex Peroni has been released from hospital and doesn't require surgery, but will miss the finale of the championship in Sochi



Wonderful news!


#360 ceesvdelst

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Posted 13 September 2019 - 18:02

I think there is also a case to be made for teams asking for compensation from tracks or the FIA for kerbs doing huge damage to cars that are so badly positioned.


I know the guy should not be out there, but it does there i sometimes a disconnect between the drivers and the way some things are done, which is such a shame. Especially when such damage can occur, and potentially worse. I have not been horrified by a crash for a while, but that one made me wince.