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#51 GazChed

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Posted 16 September 2019 - 18:07

It was mentioned on the live stream before the start of the second St Mary's Trophy race that the seven cars which had been disqualified from the first race had been fitted with roller rockers . As it was unlikely that they would have been modified or had their engines changed overnight the same cars would most likely be disqualified from the second race .

After the second race according to the Goodwood Revival thread on Ten Tenths the scrutineers were checking for electronic ignition and presumably it was this which the Williams' Jaguar fell foul of . As far as I am aware electronic ignition has been banned at Goodwood for many years so presumably this was an oversight on the part of the preparers . Whether spectators were informed I don't know but all the results from the Revival can be found at tsl-timing/event/193765 .

It is frustrating if you are an enthusiast to find out that the result of the race you watched in the afternoon has changed by the time you get home . It does happen at other meetings of course but it seems to happen quite regularly at the Revival meeting . However I suspect many spectators won't have checked tsl as soon as they got home . Indeed most of the spectators on the live feed seemed to more interested in their Pimm's/Veuve Clicquot/Lager than the racing !

Regarding the disqualifications the only problem I can see is the organisers retrieving those disgusting cigars ( I'm a rabid anti-smoker ) from the disqualified drivers and awarding them to the new first three finishers . 'Don't worry my good man , it's only been lightly chewed' !

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#52 Doug Nye

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Posted 16 September 2019 - 20:19


Little to add and nothing to report really - on any of the above - particularly since I pretty much detest saloon cars in any case.  However, I would like to say that from the closing Sussex Trophy race laps that I saw, Roger Wills, Sam Hancock and Jon Minshaw demonstrated absolutely the best of non-contact/close-contact Historic racing talent, skill and car control.

 

They finished 1-2-3 separated by 0.275 and 0.375secs.  

 

The video footage of their battle could provide a 'how-to-do-it' instructional with which to pummel some of the less-skilled elbows-out/push-and-shove skulthuggery brigade...  Simon Taylor and I watched riveted.  These days it takes quite a bit to nail our undivided attention in that way.  That race was a delight.

 

And over the weekend in that glorious Goodwood weather we saw many, many thousands of happy faces.

 

At Revival I also learned (admittedly as yet unverified) that by combining a pre-war 4 1/2-litre Bentley block with a 3-litre bottom end -  I think that's right - one can produce a long-stroke Bentley 4.7...but maybe we shouldn't tell that to those saloon car fellers.   

 

In these abrasive times let's not get too earnest about pipsqueak racing.  

 

Why not just enjoy it - while it lasts.     :smoking:

 

DCN



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Posted 16 September 2019 - 20:49

Little to add and nothing to report really - on any of the above - particularly since I pretty much detest saloon cars in any case. However, I would like to say that from the closing Sussex Trophy race laps that I saw, Roger Wills, Sam Hancock and Jon Minshaw demonstrated absolutely the best of non-contact/close-contact Historic racing talent, skill and car control.

They finished 1-2-3 separated by 0.275 and 0.375secs.

The video footage of their battle could provide a 'how-to-do-it' instructional with which to pummel some of the less-skilled elbows-out/push-and-shove skulthuggery brigade... Simon Taylor and I watched riveted. These days it takes quite a bit to nail our undivided attention in that way. That race was a delight.



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I was reminded of Middlehurst and Collasacco* (I think) last year.




*Pardon me if I mangled that. :blush:

Edited by Jack-the-Lad, 16 September 2019 - 20:52.


#54 Steve L

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Posted 16 September 2019 - 20:56

Does anyone have photos of P-B-E in the Maserati 8CM racing please? Sublime drive in a beautiful car, renowned for being a bit of a beast!

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Posted 17 September 2019 - 07:08

From what I gather some of the Saloon cars were disqualified because they failed to 'retire with a blown gearbox' which seems to be the gentlemanly thing to do from previous years.

You can run a bent car and put on a great show but please don't take the trophy from the real players.

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Posted 17 September 2019 - 07:55

 

At Revival I also learned (admittedly as yet unverified) that by combining a pre-war 4 1/2-litre Bentley block with a 3-litre bottom end -  I think that's right - one can produce a long-stroke Bentley 4.7...but maybe we shouldn't tell that to those saloon car fellers.   

Probably correct but not necessarily the way to go!

The 3 litre was 80 × 149 (2996 cc) and the 4½ 100 × 140 (4398 cc) so you end up with 100 × 149 (4681 cc) - the 3 litre crank might not be strong enough and it's a lot of work for only 6½% extra stroke.



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Posted 17 September 2019 - 08:04

Always some 'queries' over some of the cars present. The Cegga thing has as information board in the pits saying that it is basically a recreation, so kudos to them for that.  The fake 250GTO that won the Kinrara race (and also the fake GTO 'pace car') did not get explained however, which I find a shame.  What happened to the description of 1962 'type' that used to appear in the car descriptions???

 

Also, how does a Studebaker manage to run what I assume is a 350 Chev engine and get pole position in the Touring Car race?  Since when did a 1959 era Studebaker compete with such an engine?  They were racing at Bathurst much later than that with the normal Studebaker V8 engine and no sign of a 350 Chev motor, which Wikipedia tells me wasn't introduced until 1967??

Studes used 283 Chevs in the last couple of years of production.

Since I have no idea of what the rules are in the UK I thought it must comply.

Though year in year out I watch obviously wildly modified cars race there.  A40s playing with American iron? And how bent are they!!



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Posted 17 September 2019 - 08:07

I’m guessing I can probably get an answer here rather than in RC. Why do some cars have tape crosses over their headlights?

To stop headlight glass from breaking. I noticed a couple such that clearly had been fighting earlier with the headlight covers missing



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Posted 17 September 2019 - 08:28

This is a point which I have made before, but which was gainsaid about the later bodies IIRC
However, the re registered UCE 13 is a proper period body , as it was rebodied for the good doctor for the 1960 season, see relevant The Autocar article, following a roll.
I spoke at length with the mechs for the PA Cresta and the amount of work needed to rebuild the body was said to involve a weldathon. Spec was quite relaxed, 3. 2 inch SUs, 4 speed box with a 5 speed knob,.... discs etc. It must have cost a fortune to do andrew the owner has fun.
The MG YB as exquisitely prepared, the paint being to show standards, a joy to behold, and ran an overbored MGB engine. It sat beautifully flat and went well. I loved it.
As others have said, the cars are built to varying sets of historic saloon regs in this country. It is fun , but very real, racing, it is not the real world as you would have it. You either get it or you do not, and fret too much.
The real and important cars are in other events, but how many of them are real, inasmuch as they have not had new tube frames, or have been built from scratch to much more precise and advantageous design parameters?.
The Kinrara saw excellent racing as usual, and we seem to have lost most of the win at all cost hotrods and their drivers from the TT lookalike race, and if someone wants to race a period correct GTO replica when he undoubtedly owns a real one, best of luck to him. Some of the D types in the old Lloyds and Scottish in the seventies were reputedly Brian Wingfield copies, with the originals safely in the garage at home.
I thought it was excellent with a good choice of cars and good racing, apart from the red flag stuff, and I always enjoy looking at how the five hundred cc car designers went about solving the same problem. A one make race for Bentleys was a neat idea too.
I also thought that the dress sense was better overall, although there are still some aberrations in style and relevance, don't get me on wearing uniforms....
I was disappointed, as at the FoS, with the Telegraph being a sponsor, yet failing to have their kiosks there selling the newsapaper, and I did enquire. Poor form, I thought. The Goodwood Actors Guild were out in force and were excellent.
Usual disclaimers, which some struggle to believe....
Roger Lund

My vague understanding is that engines can be highly modified. Triple SUs and other mods are not that uncommon in the UK. 4 speeds? I do not know, not here in Oz. Disc brakes were available. Though the car raced was an early model PA standard with a 7 port head, 4 main bearings etc.

3 2" SUs would drown that engine.

PAX with the smaller tailights had the far more powerful  and modern  7 main 12 port head 2.6 litre engine. Above it mentioned 3.3 which was a PC engine. They also had 4 speeds.

The Vanguard engine is shared with other Standard models and you can make those 2 litre sixes howl. No torque but sound great. The Vignale used the TR4 engine.

The Zephyrs can also be made to go, standard 155ci and with SUs [or Webers] go quite strong as well. And they appeared to be somewhere on the pace.

When Brock took the 48 Holden to Goodwood several years back that had [and still has] a modified grey motor with an XU1 4 speed which was over 20 years more modern and I feel it had discs too. Which Holden did not have until 66.

Defenitly not legal here in Oz for historic racing.



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Posted 17 September 2019 - 10:29

Checked a programme from earlier in the season which featured the HRDC Touring Greats ( the series which supplied the majority of the field in the St Mary's Trophy ) and can confirm that some of the cars are from later than the supposed 1960 cut off date ( A40s and Alfas ) and most of the field ran engines larger and probably from a later period than originally fitted , e.g. Riley 1.5 has an 1860 engine , Sunbeam Rapier was 1725 and all of the A35/A40/Morris Minors were running 1300 engines . The only cars which appeared to run their original engines were the Jaguar Mk1s with 3.4 litre lumps . But they provide a great spectacle and at Goodwood that is the main thing . Don't forget - ' The Goodwood Revival , 1960s entertainment at 2060s prices ' !

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Posted 17 September 2019 - 10:53

 

Little to add and nothing to report really - on any of the above - particularly since I pretty much detest saloon cars in any case.  However, I would like to say that from the closing Sussex Trophy race laps that I saw, Roger Wills, Sam Hancock and Jon Minshaw demonstrated absolutely the best of non-contact/close-contact Historic racing talent, skill and car control.

 

They finished 1-2-3 separated by 0.275 and 0.375secs.  

 

The video footage of their battle could provide a 'how-to-do-it' instructional with which to pummel some of the less-skilled elbows-out/push-and-shove skulthuggery brigade...  Simon Taylor and I watched riveted.  These days it takes quite a bit to nail our undivided attention in that way.  That race was a delight.

 

And over the weekend in that glorious Goodwood weather we saw many, many thousands of happy faces.

 

At Revival I also learned (admittedly as yet unverified) that by combining a pre-war 4 1/2-litre Bentley block with a 3-litre bottom end -  I think that's right - one can produce a long-stroke Bentley 4.7...but maybe we shouldn't tell that to those saloon car fellers.   

 

In these abrasive times let's not get too earnest about pipsqueak racing.  

 

Why not just enjoy it - while it lasts.     :smoking:

 

DCN

 

 

I have to agree with Mr Nye on this, it is a great event that I have sadly missed on too many occasions. Yes there are some avoidable crashes and some of the drivers are a bit too aggressive but overall 

it's one of a kind, and the Sussex Trophy was excellent on the stream, how they stopped from taking each other out lap after lap, I will never know!



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Posted 17 September 2019 - 11:13

Worrying that both the opening post , Macca and now Doug Nye have mentioned that Goodwood's days may be numbered . I read a little while ago that a large housing estate was possibly going to be built near to Goodwood and could threaten the continued existence of the circuit . Is this the problem or are there other issues ?

Edited by GazChed, 17 September 2019 - 11:14.


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Posted 17 September 2019 - 12:13

Worrying that both the opening post , Macca and now Doug Nye have mentioned that Goodwood's days may be numbered . I read a little while ago that a large housing estate was possibly going to be built near to Goodwood and could threaten the continued existence of the circuit . Is this the problem or are there other issues ?

 

The Revival is my favourite event of the year & I am absolutely passionate about it. These rumours/ comments trouble me greatly. I have seen comments similar to this elsewhere, can anyone enlighten us? 



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Posted 17 September 2019 - 20:24

Can't enlighten you at all in this alleged regard but it's absolutely news to me.  

 

When I wrote "...enjoy it - while it lasts..." I really had in mind the individual freedom to run (and to race) fossil-fueled motor vehicles in the manner to which we have become so cheerfully accustomed - before we are made to fit them with an electric motor, a stack of AA batteries, a solar-powered propeller or indeed a mast and sail, before we are granted clearance to cast off...

 

:(

 

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Posted 17 September 2019 - 20:37

Anyone approaching the circuit from Chichester on Madgwick Lane will have seen some new houses being built - with roads named after Shelby and Fairman ...



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Posted 18 September 2019 - 04:29

Anyone approaching the circuit from Chichester on Madgwick Lane will have seen some new houses being built - with roads named after Shelby and Fairman ...


Very fitting, and one hopes that similar acknowledgement of those who flew from and to RAF Westhampnett will be be considered.

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Posted 18 September 2019 - 04:32

Can't enlighten you at all in this alleged regard but it's absolutely news to me.  
 
When I wrote "...enjoy it - while it lasts..." I really had in mind the individual freedom to run (and to race) fossil-fueled motor vehicles in the manner to which we have become so cheerfully accustomed - before we are made to fit them with an electric motor, a stack of AA batteries, a solar-powered propeller or indeed a mast and sail, before we are granted clearance to cast off...
 
:(
 
DCN

Thank you for that clarification. I can't imagine a year without a visit to Goodwood.

On to Members' Meeting!

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Posted 18 September 2019 - 05:55



Does anyone have photos of P-B-E in the Maserati 8CM racing please? Sublime drive in a beautiful car, renowned for being a bit of a beast!

 

P1070789a.jpg

 

Paul M



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Posted 18 September 2019 - 07:55

This is a point which I have made before, but which was gainsaid about the later bodies IIRC
However, the re registered UCE 13 is a proper period body , as it was rebodied for the good doctor for the 1960 season, see relevant The Autocar article, following a roll.
I spoke at length with the mechs for the PA Cresta and the amount of work needed to rebuild the body was said to involve a weldathon. Spec was quite relaxed, 3. 2 inch SUs, 4 speed box with a 5 speed knob,.... discs etc. It must have cost a fortune to do andrew the owner has fun.
The MG YB as exquisitely prepared, the paint being to show standards, a joy to behold, and ran an overbored MGB engine. It sat beautifully flat and went well. I loved it.
As others have said, the cars are built to varying sets of historic saloon regs in this country. It is fun , but very real, racing, it is not the real world as you would have it. You either get it or you do not, and fret too much.
The real and important cars are in other events, but how many of them are real, inasmuch as they have not had new tube frames, or have been built from scratch to much more precise and advantageous design parameters?.
The Kinrara saw excellent racing as usual, and we seem to have lost most of the win at all cost hotrods and their drivers from the TT lookalike race, and if someone wants to race a period correct GTO replica when he undoubtedly owns a real one, best of luck to him. Some of the D types in the old Lloyds and Scottish in the seventies were reputedly Brian Wingfield copies, with the originals safely in the garage at home.
I thought it was excellent with a good choice of cars and good racing, apart from the red flag stuff, and I always enjoy looking at how the five hundred cc car designers went about solving the same problem. A one make race for Bentleys was a neat idea too.
I also thought that the dress sense was better overall, although there are still some aberrations in style and relevance, don't get me on wearing uniforms....
I was disappointed, as at the FoS, with the Telegraph being a sponsor, yet failing to have their kiosks there selling the newsapaper, and I did enquire. Poor form, I thought. The Goodwood Actors Guild were out in force and were excellent.
Usual disclaimers, which some struggle to believe....
Roger Lund

Strikes me the whole staff, scrutineers etc should hold Equity cards.



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Posted 18 September 2019 - 09:33

It seems to me that Goodwood/ BARC by permitting cars to run which they know do not comply with the regulations but are needed to help ''the show'' are skating on very thin ice.

In the event of an accident, at worst fatal but even a body damage incident, involving a car which the organisers are aware should not be there they may well have a liability to the party who is there legally, and as for a fatal you can just hear the coroner  asking the CoC how come the car was allowed to race.

If I were their insurers I would be asking questions.



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Posted 18 September 2019 - 10:18

Can't enlighten you at all in this alleged regard but it's absolutely news to me.

When I wrote "...enjoy it - while it lasts..." I really had in mind the individual freedom to run (and to race) fossil-fueled motor vehicles in the manner to which we have become so cheerfully accustomed - before we are made to fit them with an electric motor, a stack of AA batteries, a solar-powered propeller or indeed a mast and sail, before we are granted clearance to cast off...

:(

DCN


Thank you for that clarification. I can't imagine a year without a visit to Goodwood.

On to Members' Meeting!

:wave:




And so say all of us! (repeatedly). :clap:

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Posted 18 September 2019 - 10:53

I do not attend Goodwood events, too expensive for me sadly and very far away.

 

But surely the value they bring numerous times a year to the local economy surely defeats any level of protest?  Horse and car events must bring in tens of millions locally? And LM surely holds some influence locally politically you would hope? 

 

I know there are downsides, traffic etc. 



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Posted 18 September 2019 - 11:11

I think even the traffic is not that much of a downside beyond Chichester.  There are not that many places that get partially cut off for the meetings.  (Caveat - can't remember the last time I was trying to get in at "peak" time...)



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Posted 18 September 2019 - 11:26

Putting aside climate change concerns which will put paid to fossil fuel powered motor racing sometime in the future , the building of the new estate could be more significant than many on here realise or accept .

Just because the roads are named after racing drivers doesn't automatically imply that the houses will be bought by enthusiasts . I am sure I remember reading that Lord March was concerned about the building of this new estate and the impact it may have on the circuit .

It only takes one determined and influential individual to cause problems as Howard Strawford and Castle Combe circuit found to their cost . Howard was confident of winning but instead the judge ordered the circuit to cut their noise limit from 114 dBA to 108 dBA meaning that Castle Combe lost their major meeting , the Formula 3 and GT meeting and haven't been able to host really powerful racing cars since .

I am a big fan of the Revival and the Member's Meeting as most on here are , but be warned this new estate could cause problems . I hope it doesn't and that enthusiasts can continue to enjoy the unique experience that Goodwood provides .

Further to ens's post above every time I have travelled to and from Goodwood I have ended up stuck in long queues of traffic .

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Posted 18 September 2019 - 19:30

It seems to me that Goodwood/ BARC by permitting cars to run which they know do not comply with the regulations but are needed to help ''the show'' are skating on very thin ice.

In the event of an accident, at worst fatal but even a body damage incident, involving a car which the organisers are aware should not be there they may well have a liability to the party who is there legally, and as for a fatal you can just hear the coroner  asking the CoC how come the car was allowed to race.

If I were their insurers I would be asking questions.

The cars do comply with the regulations as far as safety is concerned. Which is all that would matter as far as a coroner or insurer was concerned.

 

Anyone approaching the circuit from Chichester on Madgwick Lane will have seen some new houses being built - with roads named after Shelby and Fairman ...

No nearer than some of the existing housing in East Lavant.  The Duke saw off some pretty strong objectors from there and will know how to deal with any new ones. 

 

 Interestingly, I recall that  back in the dark days of unrestored Goodwood, beleaguered by noise complainants, we had a a visit from the Council chappie during a rally we were running there. Someone had telephoned to complain.  He was surprisingly unsympathetic towards the complainers and told us that he reckoned the real issue was helicopter noise, but that airfields are much harder to control so they were focusing on the car noise. 

 

When I popped in to see a bit of the South Downs Stages early this year, I was shocked by how loud the cars were compared to what we were allowed back in the early 80s when the circuit noise tester would jump on any car that was over the limit.  The current Revival etc races are FAR noisier than one car at a time running on a rally stage or a sprint.  ANd so are some of the track day cars.  



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Posted 18 September 2019 - 20:46

Agreed, I do think noise prevention really should be the driving force behind stuff that Motorsport UK do regarding things like this. And would perhaps slightly negate the need for the bickering about rules that seems to chase this meeting every year a little. 

 

it might take some fun away for fans and drivers, but really, it's sort of getting to the point of no return if nothing is done now. Any track activity anywhere should be noise tested, be it motocross, grasstrack, speedway, or even more high brow stuff  like this.

 

We have all been to race meetings with numerous cars of exactly the same type and some are insanely noisy, I remember being at a Donington Classic years ago and there was a Lotus Cortina that was stupidly louder than anything else similar, and it was not a nice noise either!



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Posted 18 September 2019 - 21:29

 

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Thanks Paul, great pic!



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Posted 19 September 2019 - 06:11

I'd make an exception for Santa Pod - and that is REALLY noisy . But what I find troubling is that modern road cars seem to have carte blanche to make as much 'look at me 'racket as they want , thanks to clever ECUs which pass the EU drive by laws but sound like the crack of doom  when accelerated . I was at Brands a few weeks ago - we had 911s , a rowdy Exige /Cosworth V6 and sundry V8s . All made a nice noise , but all passed the noise test - I think it was 115dB ? But when walking through the pits I was assailed by  a chorus of deafening bangs and pops as a car was revved . The culprit - a road car - a Jaguar F Type V6 ,... If I had to endure that childish display every time the owner backed out of his garage I think I'd put a brick through its windscreen . Are cars like the Jag , most VAG sportsters and every AMG Merc targetted at 11 year olds ?



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Posted 19 September 2019 - 10:37

Agreed John

 

I often go for walks in the evening where I live and you can hear these awful gearchange f*rt noises so loudly from miles away. Sounds so horrible, and not at all sporty!! but hey the kids seem to love it!



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Posted 21 September 2019 - 15:46

Does anyone have a picture of Charles Nearburg in the Alfa Romeo?

Thanks.

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 16:32

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Posted 21 September 2019 - 19:02

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Thank you!

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#83 Dutchy

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Posted 23 September 2019 - 12:47

Why would you want a photo of that lovely car with that horrible (and utterly useless) rollover bar on it?



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Posted 23 September 2019 - 12:56

Thank you for that clarification. I can't imagine a year without a visit to Goodwood.

On to Members' Meeting!

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Jack - hope you have seen the new date for MM ? It is one week earlier. 

A lot of people (fully justified) complained - for me personally it is great, because I was occupied on the original date and cann attend now (all set and booked !).



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Posted 23 September 2019 - 13:46

Jack - hope you have seen the new date for MM ? It is one week earlier. 
A lot of people (fully justified) complained - for me personally it is great, because I was occupied on the original date and cann attend now (all set and booked !).


Yes. I had my accommodations arranged but the owners of the farm where we stay were very good about changing our dates. Thankfully I had not yet booked our flights!

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Posted 23 September 2019 - 13:49

Why would you want a photo of that lovely car with that horrible (and utterly useless) rollover bar on it?


Since you asked, I wanted the picture to send to my friend who did the paint and body restoration on Nearburg's Ferrari 250 GTO.

As for the rollbar it's probably there to satisfy the regulations of other venues in which Nearburg races.

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Posted 25 September 2019 - 11:09

Just watched a bike race from Goodwood and I was delighted at how clearly the numbers were displayed (ditto historic TT and similar events). For historic car racing, the numbers don't matter so much once you have worked out the shape and colours for something previously unfamiliar. But clear racing numbers make bike races easier to follow.

 

Maybe F1 should take notice. F1 made a big fuss about allocating driver-preferred numbers a few years ago, but they are indistinguishable on a uni-shape car.



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Posted 27 September 2019 - 21:57

https://www.flickr.c...os/dwh38/albums 

 

I've been working through my photos from the Revival over recent days - just the bikes and St Marys to go now.  There's no fashion notes; there may be some paddock shots in due course, but it's pretty much all cars racing - as they were created to do.

 

In addition, a few thoughts which have been rolling round my brain over recent days ...

 

I reckon that we've (Mrs H and I) been to at least a day of most (if not all) Revival weekends but over recent years we have found it less and less like the original event - some of the early magic has gone. Living the wrong side of London pretty much requires staying in the vicinity and the locals have (as economics dictates) recognised the value of what they have. Thus its not a cheap weekend and, of late, we have found ourselves questioning whether it is good value - especially compared to what else we could do - although you will see from Flickr that this year has hardly been a barren wasteland on the motorsport front  #retirementlife 

 

I find myself impressed by the range of cars and drivers assembled for the event (which doesn't lack for want of BTCC / F1 drivers for me). I am equally frustrated that what was my favourite historic race meeting has become for some a fashion parade, a place simply to be seen or for corporate entertainment. I do wonder if that side would be quite so big if Goodwood were 'oop north rather than an hour south of London. So I / we were wondering if this would be our last Revival - after all I can watch all the race action on the live streaming ...

 

However, there's always a however isn't there, this year the light was simply fabulous for the much of the weekend, the sun shone and there was barely a cloud in the sky. The racing was, by and large, good and I am very pleased with my photographic record of the event. Oh, and the sight AND sound of the TT field on the opening lap with a superb driver line-up gets me back onside every time. How many Le Mans wins between them ?

 

So, 2020 ... we're not sure yet. Angouleme is an attractive prospect; perhaps a road trip with Monza Historic and then the Spa Six Hours if the stars align date-wise ... ?

 

I do, though, have a suspicion that I / we will be there for Sunday at least - somewhere between Madgwick and Woodcote (the long way round) - camera in hand waiting for the Cobras, E Types, Corvettes et al to do their thing all over again ...



#89 john aston

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Posted 28 September 2019 - 06:54

It's funny how few people -outside this select group of cognoscenti - remark on what a great circuit Goodwood  is to watch racing cars, especially those which move around a bit . The crimson trousered hordes  populate the spectator areas from Chicane (the worst place to watch anything) to Madgwick but then gradually peter out to the best bit - No Name to Lavant . I enjoyed my last Revival but that is ten years ago , more, and even then the frantic dressing up japes were beginning to jar . The only past the Goodwood Revival now evokes is previous Revivals  -and that's fine , but I do find the mash up of WW2  evocation with some imagined mods n' rockers / flower power past deeply tiresome. 

 

Most of us know what Sixties race meetings were like -nothing like this - but for what it is , Goodwood is still peerless . The attention to detail, the quality of cars and drivers , even the catering is light years ahead of anywhere else . I now attend the Members' Meeting - which , with its 80s cars can only ever evoke itself -very meta- and love it . Fewer Ruperts , access all areas and superb cars . The Silverstone Classic is my other must see event and whilst its entry is stupendous in size and quality , and the access brilliant, the circuit is a pale shadow  of what it was - and it was never great (unless you had a 700 bhp plus F1 car anyway -then it got interesting )       


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Posted 28 September 2019 - 10:35

Yes Goodwood is a tremendous act of theatre but not a reproduction of what things were like.   perhaps we should have the llos as they were in the 50s and 60s, to give a proper "atmosphere" !



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Posted 28 September 2019 - 16:38

"The crimson trousered hordes  populate the spectator areas from Chicane (the worst place to watch anything) to Madgwick but then gradually peter out to the best bit - No Name to Lavant ."

 

While I can comfortably ignore - and on occasion forgive - almost anybody's relentless sneering about an aspect of any race meeting which makes an observer feel uncomfortable (or superior - or indeed inferior...) one thing which consistently makes the back of my neck go scorching hot is  the use of 'No Name' in relation to what some might call 'Turn 3' (hot again) at Goodwood.

 

'No Name' in my experience might have been used by some of the sprint brigade during the '80s and '90s, but it seems to have caught on thanks to certain circuit and TV commentators after a half-dozen or so Revival Meetings.  

 

The right-hander in question is really the first part of St Mary's, which is an ess-bend, a compound corner, a turn with twin elements, a right-hander leading into a left-hander.

 

'No Name' indeed - ugh! A total abomination.  

 

The only worse one - to me - is 'The Bomb Hole' at Snetterton...  :mad:  :mad:  :mad:

 

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Posted 28 September 2019 - 16:48

Indeed. Norfolk born and bred as I am, a frequent visitor to the Arctic wastes of Snetterton, I'm sure you know the dip was never caused by any sort of WW2 ordnance, but rather as an attempt by Oliver Sear to add interest to the circuit. Bike riders found it a bit of a challenge, and it's thought the name derives from the bikers calling it "bumhole" because of sphincter-loosening as they cornered.

 

I prefer this story.



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Posted 28 September 2019 - 17:21

"The crimson trousered hordes  populate the spectator areas from Chicane (the worst place to watch anything) to Madgwick but then gradually peter out to the best bit - No Name to Lavant ."

 

While I can comfortably ignore - and on occasion forgive - almost anybody's relentless sneering about an aspect of any race meeting which makes an observer feel uncomfortable (or superior - or indeed inferior...) one thing which consistently makes the back of my neck go scorching hot is  the use of 'No Name' in relation to what some might call 'Turn 3' (hot again) at Goodwood.

 

'No Name' in my experience might have been used by some of the sprint brigade during the '80s and '90s, but it seems to have caught on thanks to certain circuit and TV commentators after a half-dozen or so Revival Meetings.  

 

The right-hander in question is really the first part of St Mary's, which is an ess-bend, a compound corner, a turn with twin elements, a right-hander leading into a left-hander.

 

'No Name' indeed - ugh! A total abomination.  

 

The only worse one - to me - is 'The Bomb Hole' at Snetterton...  :mad:  :mad:  :mad:

 

DCN

 Doug - oh , you cant beat a good sneer at the (very few ) aspects of Goodwood that irk (where ARE the dilettante Ruperts the rest of the year ? I sure don't see them at Brands, Oulton , Cadwell or anywhere else )   . We all enjoy a little cathartic chelping, and  I seem to recall your august self having a little grizzle about Saloon car racing of late ?  

 

But I shall take your wisdom on board about the corner which shall no longer  dare to speak its name and make a point of correcting others - I shall enjoy that, especially if they are sporting  crimson keks  :p



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Posted 28 September 2019 - 19:20

'No Name' in my experience might have been used by some of the sprint brigade during the '80s and '90

As one of that sprint brigade, I don't recall anyone using the name No-Name.  We didn't know what the name of the corner was and usually referred to 'the corner before St Mary's'.  But to say that it is part of St Mary's isn't true in my experience.  it is a corner in its own right, that needs to be treated with respect if it isn't to spoil  your whole lap.  It deserves to have a name of its own.



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Posted 29 September 2019 - 15:54

"The crimson trousered hordes  populate the spectator areas from Chicane (the worst place to watch anything) to Madgwick but then gradually peter out to the best bit - No Name to Lavant ."

 

While I can comfortably ignore - and on occasion forgive - almost anybody's relentless sneering about an aspect of any race meeting which makes an observer feel uncomfortable (or superior - or indeed inferior...) one thing which consistently makes the back of my neck go scorching hot is  the use of 'No Name' in relation to what some might call 'Turn 3' (hot again) at Goodwood.

 

'No Name' in my experience might have been used by some of the sprint brigade during the '80s and '90s, but it seems to have caught on thanks to certain circuit and TV commentators after a half-dozen or so Revival Meetings.  

 

The right-hander in question is really the first part of St Mary's, which is an ess-bend, a compound corner, a turn with twin elements, a right-hander leading into a left-hander.

 

'No Name' indeed - ugh! A total abomination.  

 

The only worse one - to me - is 'The Bomb Hole' at Snetterton...  :mad:  :mad:  :mad:

 

DCN

 

It's the ***** playing soldier, particularly swastikas, that do it for me. But yeah corner misnaming is obnoxious. 



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Posted 09 October 2019 - 11:43

Found this website earlier this summer.

 

https://www.noisygoo....com/index.html

 

Looks like someone is making strides to stop all the things we like about Goodwood.

 

T J

 

P.S. On the Revival Sunday I was in line for a cider during the bike race, and when I walked past St. Mary's I noticed two ambulances coming past together. Later what appeared to be a medevac helicopter landed near the pits. Was anyone seriously injuried? While there I saw another rider go off past Lavant corner, but the cheering from people seated to my left convinced me he was on his feet and okay.



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Posted 09 October 2019 - 11:57

Seems to have been around since 2016, uses Comic Sans, and treats "data" as a singular noun. 



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Posted 09 October 2019 - 14:52

"The crimson trousered hordes  populate the spectator areas from Chicane (the worst place to watch anything) to Madgwick but then gradually peter out to the best bit - No Name to Lavant ."

 

While I can comfortably ignore - and on occasion forgive - almost anybody's relentless sneering about an aspect of any race meeting which makes an observer feel uncomfortable (or superior - or indeed inferior...) one thing which consistently makes the back of my neck go scorching hot is  the use of 'No Name' in relation to what some might call 'Turn 3' (hot again) at Goodwood.

 

'No Name' in my experience might have been used by some of the sprint brigade during the '80s and '90s, but it seems to have caught on thanks to certain circuit and TV commentators after a half-dozen or so Revival Meetings.  

 

The right-hander in question is really the first part of St Mary's, which is an ess-bend, a compound corner, a turn with twin elements, a right-hander leading into a left-hander.

 

'No Name' indeed - ugh! A total abomination.  

 

The only worse one - to me - is 'The Bomb Hole' at Snetterton...  :mad:  :mad:  :mad:

 

DCN

Perhaps you ought to explain this to them, Doug.  It certainly seems more prevailant of recent years in the live stream than it was when we attended (2001, 2002, 2005 and 2011).



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Posted 09 October 2019 - 15:49

Was it Ron Tauranac who said (something to the effect of) the only thing that made Snetterton interesting was the challenge of trying to set up a car (an F3) to deal with The Bomb Hole?
Unfortunately, I cannot remember where I read this.

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Posted 09 October 2019 - 15:58

Found this website earlier this summer.

 

https://www.noisygoo....com/index.html

 

Looks like someone is making strides to stop all the things we like about Goodwood.

 

This website shows that the real ire is towards the aircraft that operate 7 days a week all year round.  The motor racing is only mentioned because it is a 'soft' target, especially when you can direct abuse at an aristocrat.  It was just the same in the 1970s and 80s when the sprint and rally brigade (guilty as charged, m'lud) were targeted as noise nuisances because aircraft are harder to get noise orders against them.  Having said that, I don;t understand why piston engine aircraft are allowed to operate with open exhausts to this day.  Jets have been quietened down hugely but there has never been any attempt to impose a simple silencer rule on piston aircraft - you know, like on cars, bikes, trucks etc.

 

Of course, success for these campaigners would meant closing the airfield  which would immediately become a housing estate and I doubt if they would be at all happy about that!  NIMBY.


Edited by BRG, 09 October 2019 - 15:59.