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2019 Japanese Grand Prix build up thread (Qualifying Now @ 1:00 AM GMT Sunday!)


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#51 PayasYouRace

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Posted 06 October 2019 - 18:31

And the Nurburgring F3000 round the same year had already been cancelled for... snow.

 

Back when F2/3000 had a unique calendar and not just supported F1 every time.



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#52 FLB

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Posted 06 October 2019 - 19:04

Back when F2/3000 had a unique calendar and not just supported F1 every time.

That was *mostly* true. Emanuele Pirro has a hilarious story about not being able to go to the restroom at Estoril (where F3000 was supporting F1)... because the toilets were in the F1 paddock and the F3000 guys had no access to it!

https://www.racefans...mories-1985-88/

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#53 GenJackRipper

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Posted 06 October 2019 - 19:56

Odd how they put the race with the best track during typhoon season...



#54 F1Gui

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Posted 06 October 2019 - 20:07

Odd how they put the race with the best track during typhoon season...


With tracks like Suzuka wouldn't it be great if they ran it twice a year. In the 1st part of the season in addition to it's normal slot. One could be the Japanese GP and the other the Pacific GP.

#55 NoForumForOldPole

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Posted 06 October 2019 - 22:00

I just hope I ain't waking up at 6am on Sunday to watch SC laps for half of the race distance...🙄

#56 kernel

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 07:42

Odd how they put the race with the best track during typhoon season...

 

Suzuka has always been an amazing qualifying/hotlapping track, but races there in recent years have been dreadful.

 

And it's forecast to be dry for the race.



#57 TomNokoe

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 09:02

 

#F1 #BBCF1 #JAPANESEGP Confidence low re track of Typhoon #Hagibis into the later stages of this week (below, latest from Joint Typhoon Warning Center). Albeit some weakening is expected prior to reaching Japan, JTWC stress it will nonetheless approach as "a very strong typhoon".

 



#58 SophieB

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 09:06

@sdietzf1
#Hagibis has explosively intensified and is now already a super typhoon! (= hurricane category 4) Track forecast towards Japan and #F1 is quite consistent. Likelihood for any impact is high, however, details remain uncertain at this stage. (1/2) Sources: JMA, JTWC, Weathernerds

 

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Generally the system will weaken significantly before reaching Japan, but it will stay powerful. Today models see a slightly faster propagation, so main impact on #F1 could be already on Saturday. (2/2)

 

Other images @sdietzf1 's twitter account.



#59 Marklar

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 09:13

In other news Mission Winnow is back! https://www.racefans...rns-to-ferrari/

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#60 Pimpwerx

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 09:24

Given the facts of climate change (come at me denier bros), I think the FIA will want to consider moving Suzuka to a better spot on the calendar. Cyclones seem to appearing with greater frequency and intensity the past few years (anecdotal). I'm less worried about the race than I am the logistics of getting the teams off the island. Fortunately, there's no race the following weekend, but it does present the potential for a delay, as flights will be grounded while the storm passes. That's assuming there is no damage to any of the airport or track facilities. Those mobile homes probably aren't rated to withstand cyclonic winds. Then again, I don't remember there being a great deal of damage at the Fuji race, when they dared to race with a typhoon bearing down on them.



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Posted 07 October 2019 - 09:29

In other news Mission Winnow is back! https://www.racefans...rns-to-ferrari/

 

Double DNF confirmed then.



#62 TomNokoe

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 09:31

Seems like worst case scenario. Previously it looked like only Sunday would be heavily affected, but it is Saturday and Sunday, which ruins any contingency plans.

 

I agree with Pimpwerx that the safety of the teams and drivers shouldn't be ignored. Again, I will use the word HURRICANE. Scary.


Edited by TomNokoe, 07 October 2019 - 09:43.


#63 SparkPlug86

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 10:02

If it rains, I hope they can reschedule to Monday, instead of giving us a disgraceful “race” behind the SC.

 

Agreed.

 

I hope for some rain, because it spices things up and gives the midfield a chance to fight. But, as mentioned, I don't want a complete wash out...



#64 Marklar

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 10:07

Unlike 2014 Logistics shouldnt be a problem at least. Back then this was back-to-back with Sochi.

#65 kernel

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 10:09

Seems like worst case scenario. Previously it looked like only Sunday would be heavily affected, but it is Saturday and Sunday, which ruins any contingency plans.

I agree with Pimpwerx that the safety of the teams and drivers shouldn't be ignored. Again, I will use the word HURRICANE. Scary.


Yr.no forecast only sees heavy rainy through Sunday morning.

And we’re still days away from the storm touching base in Japan. Let’s wait until then to discuss weather. Agreed it doesn’t look great, but still 4 days until cars hit the track


Edited by kernel, 07 October 2019 - 11:05.


#66 Peat

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 10:16

Worse than farmers, you lot. For the first time in years, WEC had a race at Fuji that wasn't disrupted by a typhoon or just fog this past weekend. You can't have both!



#67 SenorSjon

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 10:24

High winds = bad for RB. So only Merc vs Ferrari remains.



#68 jcbc3

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 10:43

Generally the system will weaken significantly before reaching Japan, but it will stay powerful. Today models see a slightly faster propagation, so main impact on #F1 could be already on Saturday. (2/2)

 
Other images @sdietzf1 's twitter account.


Map is wrong. Alabama is in grave danger too.

#69 SamH123

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 11:00

windfinder.com is quite a cool site to track the progress of the hurricane

Currently has the hurricane slipping round the country through Saturday and Saturday night leaving raceable conditions on Sunday (still gusty though)



#70 JBJ

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 11:27

High winds = bad for RB. So only Merc vs Ferrari remains.

Maybe they will be in the eye of the storm come raceday



#71 noikeee

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 11:38

At this stage it looks like Naoki Yamamoto's F1 career will probably consist of one single slow instalation lap under torrential rain.



#72 Anja

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 11:43

I know there are all the TV schedule issues and such but as long as it's possible logistically, surely it's better to have a race on Monday with reduced viewership than not having it at all, right? 



#73 pacificquay

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 11:45

I know there are all the TV schedule issues and such but as long as it's possible logistically, surely it's better to have a race on Monday with reduced viewership than not having it at all, right?


No.

Sport in 2019 exists for TV.

#74 KrisHr

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 11:49

Hope for a Vettel win, despite I support Ham. The guy needs it + its a good track for him.



#75 TomNokoe

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 12:01

No.

Sport in 2019 exists for TV.

Monday Japan-time can very easily be very late Sunday / midnight for western audiences.



#76 Marklar

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 12:14

Monday Japan-time can very easily be very late Sunday / midnight for western audiences.

Yeah, only Europeans would be a bit screwed, but then again the race could finish before most head off for work if they start maybe an hour earlier or so. Time for a 8 am race in Suzuka, then it's on sunday night for everyone  :p 

Another problem are the people at the track though. Hotels and Flights were booked, many are probably working on monday afternoon. I know that IndyCar manages this still, but...


Edited by Marklar, 07 October 2019 - 12:15.


#77 Jazza

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 12:24

True. But Indy car has a professional crew. F1 still uses volunteers that have to go back to their normal lives.

Edited by Jazza, 07 October 2019 - 12:25.


#78 Marklar

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 13:07

Latest forecasts see a washout on saturday, but sunday could be clear and thus have both quali & race

https://twitter.com/...6957281280?s=19

#79 Clatter

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 14:58

I know there are all the TV schedule issues and such but as long as it's possible logistically, surely it's better to have a race on Monday with reduced viewership than not having it at all, right? 

 


It's not the reduced number of viewers they are worried about, it's the reduced income. TV companies have paid for a race on Sunday, and may get that fee back if there is no race. Would be interesting to know whats in the contract regarding that. Also TV companies may not be able, or be unwilling, to alter their schedules.

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#80 SCUDmissile

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 15:05

it'll be like 2010. They should just announce it now.

 

Avoid the drama of more delays like then for no reason.



#81 Ruusperi

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 15:13

We should already know that even it they forecast a typhoon, tsunami and Godzilla hit the track, it will be nice and sunny during the race.



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Posted 07 October 2019 - 15:19

Latest forecasts see a washout on saturday, but sunday could be clear and thus have both quali & race

https://twitter.com/...6957281280?s=19

 

Scrap quali, let's test out reverse grid (WDC) racefor next year.

 

Championships are done anyway, where's the harm!?



#83 TomNokoe

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 15:33

Tyre pressures reduced 0.5psi fronts, 1.0psi rears.



#84 Owen

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 15:36

Hoping the Japanese Grand Prix is still a 'thing' right now.  :well:



#85 PayasYouRace

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 17:39

It's not the reduced number of viewers they are worried about, it's the reduced income. TV companies have paid for a race on Sunday, and may get that fee back if there is no race. Would be interesting to know whats in the contract regarding that. Also TV companies may not be able, or be unwilling, to alter their schedules.

 

Well there's one plus side of having F1 on specialist pay channels. They can show a delayed race whenever it happens and not have to worry about schedule conflicts.



#86 GenJackRipper

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 17:59

Given the facts of climate change (come at me denier bros), I think the FIA will want to consider moving Suzuka to a better spot on the calendar. Cyclones seem to appearing with greater frequency and intensity the past few years (anecdotal). I'm less worried about the race than I am the logistics of getting the teams off the island. Fortunately, there's no race the following weekend, but it does present the potential for a delay, as flights will be grounded while the storm passes. That's assuming there is no damage to any of the airport or track facilities. Those mobile homes probably aren't rated to withstand cyclonic winds. Then again, I don't remember there being a great deal of damage at the Fuji race, when they dared to race with a typhoon bearing down on them.

Imagine if this happens and Haas has the best weekend of the year because they could drive their stuff from the US base. :D



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Posted 07 October 2019 - 18:07

FP will be important if qualifying is threatened, I may be wrong but in the absence of qualifying the best times from FP3 is used to determine the grid.



#88 GenJackRipper

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 21:10

Why can't the China Grand Prix and the Japan Grand Prix switch places?
If they had done it this year the japanese race would've been the 1000th Grand Prix. :o



#89 BalanceUT

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 21:33

More than you want to know about Super Typhoon Hagibis. https://www.wundergr...ven=cat6-widget

 

Should be Category 2 by the time it nears Japan on Sat/Sun.



#90 milestone 11

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Posted 07 October 2019 - 22:19

Thanks, only one precedent? Was that because of the weather?

'68 Le Mans was postponed and moved to September due to civil unrest.



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Posted 08 October 2019 - 02:42

Given the facts of climate change (come at me denier bros), I think the FIA will want to consider moving Suzuka to a better spot on the calendar. Cyclones seem to appearing with greater frequency and intensity the past few years (anecdotal). I'm less worried about the race than I am the logistics of getting the teams off the island. Fortunately, there's no race the following weekend, but it does present the potential for a delay, as flights will be grounded while the storm passes. That's assuming there is no damage to any of the airport or track facilities. Those mobile homes probably aren't rated to withstand cyclonic winds. Then again, I don't remember there being a great deal of damage at the Fuji race, when they dared to race with a typhoon bearing down on them.

Typhoons seems to originate a bit further up north than in the past. We won't complain about that. We've seen less typhoons the last two years than usual, but almost every day rain during summer. It's as if they moved London's weather right to our front door.

 

As to this typhoon right now the minimum pressure is 915 hpa and wind speeds at the center up to 53 m/s and gust winds up to 63 m/s. That's bad news. If it gets near the race track anytime around Sunday, there won't be a race. Even if it doesn't rain that hard, the wind speeds and the danger of debris are too much. I've witnessed witnesses a winter typhoon once in the Philippines. Gusts exceeding 220 km/h. Not one drop of rain, but we've seen parts of roof toops flying around and us frantically securing a tree with ropes and chains, who was in danger of falling on one of the buildings we lived in at that time. And some of the roofs in our compound were almost blown off as well. Exciting times, which I don't care to re-enact again however.

 

Moving the race to the start of the season is probably not a good idea either, as Shanghai is too close. Move the Japan race however closer to the end of the season would work. Because of that it is interesting to track this typhoon. Biggest question right now for me, how far will the typhoon weaken due to colder weather settling in Japan?


Edited by HP, 08 October 2019 - 02:43.


#92 Myrvold

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Posted 08 October 2019 - 05:57

FP will be important if qualifying is threatened, I may be wrong but in the absence of qualifying the best times from FP3 is used to determine the grid.

Though, it is possible that FP3 becomes a washout as well. Then FP2 will count!



#93 KrisHr

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Posted 08 October 2019 - 06:03

Well, maybe we will see them push hard from FP1 then. :clap: :clap:



#94 jee

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Posted 08 October 2019 - 06:16

Call it, grid by reverse championship order



#95 w1Y

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Posted 08 October 2019 - 07:43

Its about safety and in particular the logistics of all the fans that travel to and from the event.

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Posted 08 October 2019 - 09:18

Update: #Hagibis #F1 is still a powerful super typhoon with gusts above 300 kph. Numerical models are in good agreement regarding track through Friday, afterwards some uncertainties arise. From today's point of view landfall is likely between Suzuka and Tokyo on Saturday. (1/2)

 

Distance to the passing eye/center of the already weakened typhoon will play a huge role. At this stage about 100 mm of rain and gusts around 100 kph are possible at the track during Saturday. For race day conditions should improve significantly. (2/2)



#97 Clatter

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Posted 08 October 2019 - 09:26

So Sunday qualifying a possiblity then.

#98 Marklar

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Posted 08 October 2019 - 09:30

they should look friday evening/saturday morning how feasible running on saturday is at all and just cancel the whole day instead of hoping that a mini window opens. If qualifying on sunday morning is possible then that's fine, otherwise they can just take FP1/2 results, I reckon the teams will take this more seriously then, knowing that practice results could matter for once.



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Posted 08 October 2019 - 09:31

they should look friday evening/saturday morning how feasible running on saturday is at all and just cancel the whole day instead of hoping that a mini window opens. If qualifying on sunday morning is possible then that's fine, otherwise they can just take FP1/2 results, I reckon the teams will take this more seriously then, knowing that practice results could matter for once.


Yeah, they should be decisive, early.

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#100 TomNokoe

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Posted 08 October 2019 - 09:37

Friday and Sunday dry? Sounds like it.

Mirror image of 2010.

I agree with others that Friday could be especially busy with more tyres burnt through than usual because FP3 will be inevitably cancelled.

A shame for Gasly to miss FP1, too.


Edited by TomNokoe, 08 October 2019 - 10:13.