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#301 jonpollak

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Posted 04 November 2019 - 17:11

Just sell it to Roger Penske fer christ sake.
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#302 proviz

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Posted 04 November 2019 - 17:23

And now look closely: are they still going to dare offer full 12 month subscriptions? That just might turn out to be fraudulent. Don't let them get away with that!



#303 Knowlesy

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Posted 04 November 2019 - 17:23

Absolutely shambolic.

#304 proviz

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Posted 04 November 2019 - 17:58

With all Autosport issues in the bag since the 50's I didn't want to say much until now. The way things have gone I really just hope they'd put the thing out of its misery!

The way they are handling overseas deliveries - and I'm not talking about US or Asia, just Europe - it's not far short of criminal... if indeed at all. Operators like that should have no place in the market place.

The only reason I'm still hanging on is not to cut short the collection. And true too their morales, that's what they're cashing in on. 

 

Come to think of it, from now on I shall post on this thread the delivery times of all issues that have taken more than 10 days to arrive from the date of publication.



#305 proviz

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Posted 04 November 2019 - 18:11

Of course, if you don't hear from me again, it'll be because of censorship...



#306 potmotr

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Posted 04 November 2019 - 18:42

I picked up on of the 11 quid issues at Heathrow.

 

Rather than opening with an editorial from Kevin Turner, it was written by some faceless middle aged businessman in a suit.

 

Talk about a batshit crazy strategy.

 

Whoever owns the title clearly doesn't value its heritage. 



#307 Knowlesy

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Posted 04 November 2019 - 18:46

I picked up on of the 11 quid issues at Heathrow.

Rather than opening with an editorial from Kevin Turner, it was written by some faceless middle aged businessman in a suit.

Talk about a batshit crazy strategy.

Whoever owns the title clearly doesn't value its heritage.

What on earth did it say?

#308 proviz

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Posted 04 November 2019 - 18:58

Idiotic drivel, with reference to the harsh economic realities and above all strong ushering towards using the web options. Basically a politician's address. Then practically repeated as such in the next issue. Says it all, really.



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Posted 04 November 2019 - 18:58

What on earth did it say?

 

Some extension bollocks about market forces and changing digital landscape driving the dramatic price increase.

 

I didn't buy it...  



#310 potmotr

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Posted 04 November 2019 - 18:59

I presume Kevin Turner, if still employed, will be able to write his own editorial this week?

 

Presume also the price lowering might have something to do with Lewis winning the title and this being a great week to shift copies of Autosport?



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Posted 04 November 2019 - 19:00

In any case, I'm sure there are members who walk among this very forum who could shed light on what's actually going on at Autosport... 

 

...go on! 



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Posted 04 November 2019 - 19:02

What on earth did it say?

 

Since I (perhaps foolishly) bought one of the £10.99 editions - the one which featured the BTCC on the front, having never known them to do that in all the time I've read it - I can tell you. Consider it my duty today to provide the forum with a load of PR bullsh*t.

 

Ahem:

 

 

You won't have failed to notice the unprecedented price increase of Autosport magazine this month. Like all publishers we are facing the harsh economic realities of our audience shifting to digital, combined with the increasing costs of maintaining a print product.

 

We know many of our readers and supporters value the print publication and we think it has significant value given the broad coverage - from Formula 1 to club racing via rallying and endurance events - and deep analysis, some of which is not offered elsewhere.

 

If you believe the print version is now too expensive then we do have a great value alternative in Autosport Plus, for which there is currently a special offer. A lot of the content in the magazine, and much more, already appears on autosport.com. There are, of course, some magazine sections that do not feature online, but that will be reviewed in the coming months, and where there is significant demand, plans will be put in place to make sure fans are still catered for.

 

In the very first issue, which came out on 25th August 1950, Autosport set out its stall to provide "news that is bang up-to-the-minute" and "feature personalities, their activities and their cars". We will continue to do this - and a lot more - but it will be in other ways, whether via autosport.com, podcasts, videos or other products. Other things associated with the brand, such as the Autosport Awards, Autosport International and the Aston Martin Autosport BRDC Young Driver of the Year Award will also continue to lead the way in the industry.

 

We hope that you, our readers, continue to enjoy Autosport in its various forms and we thank you for your support.

 

You're welcome? :lol:


Edited by JHSingo, 04 November 2019 - 19:04.


#313 potmotr

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Posted 04 November 2019 - 19:07

Talking repeatedly about "print product" rather than "magazine" shows just how out of touch these marketing wizards are. 



#314 proviz

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Posted 04 November 2019 - 19:12

Also, as someone said before, when they start talking about "brands" they've lost the plot.



#315 Knowlesy

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Posted 04 November 2019 - 19:21

Jesus christ.

Thanks for typing that up anyways!

Edited by Knowlesy, 04 November 2019 - 19:22.


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Posted 04 November 2019 - 20:06

It’s crazy. Saying something like “if you now feel the print version is too expensive” says to me that they’re actively trying to stop people buying the magazine. I suspect it’s working. 



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Posted 04 November 2019 - 21:47

Interesting tidbit from Graham Goodwin of DSC again, posting on the Midweek Motorsport Listeners' Collective on Facebook:

 

Well since then [the price hike] there's been a fair number of leavers - rumoured to be involved with a new venture.

Latest story is the 'manager' that put together the genius £10.99 strategy has gone - a victim of the utter failure of the plan - and the tsunami of negativity towards the whole group that it generated.

 

Not surprised if heads have rolled as a result of this. It does make you question how well (or not) the business is being run when that was suggested and accepted as a good idea... :eek:

 

Wonder what this 'new venture' could be?



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Posted 05 November 2019 - 02:49

What a complete disaster.... I'm sure they got an ear full from their advertisers.... :wave: This whole scenario made absolutely no sense whatsoever; raising the price to 11 quid and basically killing your brand name. Guys, the Autosport Show, for example, is named after the MAGAZINE not your stupid website! I'd love to read the logic behind everything but now everyone will keep an eye on motorsport dot com group, that's for sure. Good luck guys, but you massively shot yourselves in the foot.

#319 jonpollak

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Posted 05 November 2019 - 03:19

I’d frame that £11 issue.
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#320 absinthedude

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Posted 05 November 2019 - 12:16

A shambles, yes....but I will also say that there should be no harm in listening to customers and deciding that one is wrong. 

 

Hell, I may even buy an issue for the first time in over a decade now that the price has been returned to something reasonable. Will there be a green logo/banner for Lewis' triumph?



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Posted 05 November 2019 - 12:51

I think to be honest if anyone has bought it, shame on you. The precedent you are setting is fairly silly.But then again, the modern world seems to specialise in doing things like this, so maybe I should be shocked. 

 

They are trying to blackmail readers into online subbing.

 

So the answer is simple. Don't.  Put them out of business. If they are going to treat readers and loyal fans like this, they do no deserve any kind of loyalty or sympathy. 

 

The hilarious bit is, you should read the comments on the Show's social media campaign, so many comments from ex Autosport readers, and none of them good!



#322 Sterzo

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Posted 05 November 2019 - 13:44

I’d frame that £11 issue.
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I could sell you one. Obviously there's a rarity value, and we should take account of inflation...



#323 jonpollak

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Posted 05 November 2019 - 14:14

Like that damn advert for gold bullion you are...

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#324 ceesvdelst

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Posted 05 November 2019 - 18:06

Have also seen rumours elsewhere that the print edition is being released for the knock down price of £3.99.

 

So you will all be happy about that again.

Someone say this was all deliberate?  To

 

a) try and get increased numbers subscribing to the digital version  (probably failed)

b) to try and make a price increase to a monthly cost every week palletable eventually!

 

Call me a cynic



#325 GreenMachine

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Posted 05 November 2019 - 20:16

Have also seen rumours elsewhere that the print edition is being released for the knock down price of £3.99.

 

 

It is a footer on the website articles - well, the one I just read.



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Posted 05 November 2019 - 23:59

Have also seen rumours elsewhere that the print edition is being released for the knock down price of £3.99.

 

So you will all be happy about that again.

Someone say this was all deliberate?  To

 

a) try and get increased numbers subscribing to the digital version  (probably failed)

b) to try and make a price increase to a monthly cost every week palletable eventually!

 

Call me a cynic

It's almost as if they were holding the print magazine hostage trying to get people to sign up for the digital subscription. But, the thing (important thing) these fools arrogantly forgot is, that Autosport is not the only game in town! Forget French, Italian or Spanish news sources. In English, I can get the exact same news from 20 different web-sites around. Even with your 10, 5, whatever it is free articles per month I survive. All I did was use other sources instead of Autosport. I rarely read more than one or two articles on Autosport for the last 5 years (maybe) now.  It's so stupid... Even with the print issue, I won't buy every issue now, even at normal prices. I got use to reading it at the newsstand. The Mexican GP issue, I browsed the F1 stuff, read the Greg Moore article and I was done. 1 month ago, I would have bought it without thinking.  :drunk:


Edited by Fiorentina 1, 06 November 2019 - 00:03.


#327 Calorus

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Posted 06 November 2019 - 05:32

Since I (perhaps foolishly) bought one of the £10.99 editions - the one which featured the BTCC on the front, having never known them to do that in all the time I've read it - I can tell you. Consider it my duty today to provide the forum with a load of PR bullsh*t.

 

Ahem:

 

 

 

You're welcome? :lol:

 

Yoofs.

I can't be arsed to dig it up, but one of the ones I remember for no reason whatsoever had a glorious picture of Joachim Winkelhock's 3 Series. The dawn of the greatest days. Dear god Super Touring was perfect.



#328 JHSingo

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Posted 06 November 2019 - 11:29

Yoofs.

I can't be arsed to dig it up, but one of the ones I remember for no reason whatsoever had a glorious picture of Joachim Winkelhock's 3 Series. The dawn of the greatest days. Dear god Super Touring was perfect.

 

Well, I do remember them doing a special retrospective issue on Super Touring some years ago, but I certainly couldn't recall them featuring contemporary BTCC on the front cover (since I started reading it in 2007), especially when it was on the same weekend as a Grand Prix. That's why I thought it so unusual, and a nice "final" edition to get since I had no intention of buying the £10.99 issues with any regularity.

 

But now...wonder if I can write in and ask for my extra £7 back! :lol:



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Posted 07 November 2019 - 07:34

Talking repeatedly about "print product" rather than "magazine" shows just how out of touch these marketing wizards are. 

 

 

The worst part is that the company buy all competitor with clear strategy to kill them,, after the job done, now it gives up on the entire market and decided to kill the 'printed product'.  :mad:  :down:



#330 New Britain

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Posted 07 November 2019 - 12:53

And in other news, after four issues at £10.99, the price of Autosport magazine has been brought back to £3.99!



#331 proviz

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Posted 07 November 2019 - 14:50

Regardless of price, they've still got a mountain to climb to deliver the magazine to subscribers in any kind of honourable order. Watch this space!



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Posted 07 November 2019 - 14:53

I've put a question mark on the end of the topic title to illustrate how I don't know what's going on.



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Posted 07 November 2019 - 14:59

And in other news, after four issues at £10.99, the price of Autosport magazine has been brought back to £3.99!

 

Yes, we've been talking about that for the last 20-odd posts



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Posted 07 November 2019 - 15:30

Just sell it to Roger Penske fer christ sake.
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I heard Tony George has some spare change.

#335 loki

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Posted 07 November 2019 - 18:44

I heard Tony George has some spare change.

But he’d split it into two magazines...



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Posted 07 November 2019 - 22:53

Yes, we've been talking about that for the last 20-odd posts

Ah, sorry - I did not look back far enough.



#337 azza200

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Posted 07 November 2019 - 23:17

But he’d split it into two magazines...

 

one being all about nascar and indycar and drag racing and all american the other the standard worldwide edition without nascar indycar and drag racing  lol 



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Posted 08 November 2019 - 12:49

I think to be honest if anyone has bought it, shame on you. The precedent you are setting is fairly silly.But then again, the modern world seems to specialise in doing things like this, so maybe I should be shocked. 

 

They are trying to blackmail readers into online subbing.

 

So the answer is simple. Don't.  Put them out of business. If they are going to treat readers and loyal fans like this, they do no deserve any kind of loyalty or sympathy. 

 

The hilarious bit is, you should read the comments on the Show's social media campaign, so many comments from ex Autosport readers, and none of them good!

 

The irony of posting on an Autosport forum that you think the magazine should go out of busines...



#339 proviz

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Posted 08 November 2019 - 13:41

No irony in that at all. Respect for someone for saying it in their face!



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Posted 08 November 2019 - 14:22

OK let me expand a little. And go off on a tangent. 

 

A long running shop like PetSmart starts to lose shoppers, stores start closing, prices go up a bit routinely but in line with other similar shops. But other retailers manage to keep their costs down a bit like how motoring mags cost a lot compared to some other magazines of similar size. 

 

Then, all of a sudden they announce an online presence, free delivery if you buy online but if you come into our shops you can only see 20% of the product line. The rest is all online. Fair enough, you have a decision to make to use rivals or stay. 

 

Then, even later, after their boss has bought all the competition, prices suddenly go through the roof at PetSMart for no reason (or you saw through the tinpot one given lamely as an excuse), a tin of cat food goes from a pound to a fiver, no reason is given but you have your suspicions it is to push traffic to the eshop.

 

Suddenly after a few weeks the decision is rescinded, the prices come back down again and we are all told it was a mistake, the man who did it was fired etc.

Would you trust that company again?  Or would you carry on regardless as it is where you have always bought your catfood and you cant be arsed to shop around. Some obviously would, as I say blind habit has a lot of answer for in motoring journalism. 

And pet shopping it is clear...



#341 absinthedude

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Posted 08 November 2019 - 20:47

I was going to buy this weeks' Autosport magazine, but neither the Co-Op nor the newsagent had it. They had the first two £10 issues but not this week's.

 

I bought Doctor Who magazine for £9.99 instead....which came with a free Big Finish 11 hour audio drama worth £30, a nifty DVD full of new Doctor Who DVD extras as well as interviews with three Doctor Who show-runners of the recent era and loads more interesting articles. 



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Posted 08 November 2019 - 22:08

And there you have it in a nutshell, great post on the difference.



#343 Widefoot2

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Posted 09 November 2019 - 04:35

If I may offer the case of another auto racing magazine:

 

I got my final issue of Autoweek yesterday.  For the USA crowd, AW was for a long time one of the best resources for finding race results from Europe, or for "other than mainstream" (NASCAR, Indy, drag) racing coverage.  It started in 1958 (coincidentally, when I started too) as a small newsprint called "Competition Press", then renamed and changed to a tabloid, and finally a magazine.  The decline of subscriptions for the print version has meant AW will only be available online, which is better than being totally shut down, I guess.

 

Perhaps understandable to the long-term Autosport subscribers, I got a bit misty eyed holding the final issue.  Having been a reader from the tabloid days, it is indeed an end of an era for me, and a reminder of time passing.  I understand the siren call of the Internet and instant information, but there's something to be said for the (relative) permanence of a magazine, of print in general.

 

I have some concerns for the future.  Not so much for reporting on sports, but for history and politics having just an electronic medium to record it makes it vulnerable to manipulation.  I hope some method of unquestionable archiving is created so that we never wind up in a "We've always been at war with Eastasia" situation.



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Posted 09 November 2019 - 15:05

I was going to buy this weeks' Autosport magazine, but neither the Co-Op nor the newsagent had it. They had the first two £10 issues but not this week's.

 

I bought Doctor Who magazine for £9.99 instead....which came with a free Big Finish 11 hour audio drama worth £30, a nifty DVD full of new Doctor Who DVD extras as well as interviews with three Doctor Who show-runners of the recent era and loads more interesting articles. 

to be honest, speaking as a long term subscriber (not now though) I’ve been disappointed with Autosport for a long time. Recently I’ll get the mag through the door and within ten minutes I’ll only ever look at it again if I need reading material for a really big sh*t. 
 

I look forward to the season reviews at the end of each year, but they haven’t been great so far in 2019 (not even a top ten drivers for the DTM) and I love the Top 50 drivers in December, but that’s mostly it. 



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Posted 09 November 2019 - 16:09

No irony in that at all. Respect for someone for saying it in their face!

It's bloody ironic, being an active member of a forum, telling people to stop purchasing the product the owners of the forum have, in order to put them out of business. And if Autosport really were a completely shitty company, they would have started to delete some of the posts in this thread. But they haven't. 

 

I understand some of the anger of people in this thread, but I'm sure that I am not the only one here who has been banned from a website in the past simply for pointing out problems, let alone calling for the whole thing to collapse. 



#346 Sterzo

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Posted 09 November 2019 - 21:44

It's bloody ironic, being an active member of a forum, telling people to stop purchasing the product the owners of the forum have, in order to put them out of business.

Agreed. It's also odd for people who aren't interested in the magazine, to tell those of us who read it and view it as good value for money that we should boycott it.



#347 ceesvdelst

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Posted 10 November 2019 - 11:25

I guess I have a level of principle perhaps.

 

If I was treated that badly as a customer by a member of staff at a restaurant, or went to a very poorly run hotel, or was ripped off by a garage who did work on my car I would perhaps complain and also never use them again.

 

These people are offering you a service you pay for either cash or sub, they increased the price by more than double and expected you to simply carry on buying or force you into an online subscription!  That s not very good customer service is it?

 

Or am I blind or something.



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Posted 10 November 2019 - 11:46

It's bloody ironic, being an active member of a forum, telling people to stop purchasing the product the owners of the forum have, in order to put them out of business. And if Autosport really were a completely shitty company, they would have started to delete some of the posts in this thread. But they haven't. 

 

I understand some of the anger of people in this thread, but I'm sure that I am not the only one here who has been banned from a website in the past simply for pointing out problems, let alone calling for the whole thing to collapse. 

 

It's not as simple as that. Or to put it another way, one could say it's even simpler, as in total warfare professional fouls are the order of the day, on both sides. No need to go deeper into all that.



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Posted 10 November 2019 - 13:41

It's not as simple as that. Or to put it another way, one could say it's even simpler, as in total warfare professional fouls are the order of the day, on both sides. No need to go deeper into all that.

You are clearly quite emotionally involved in this. I think you might be projecting malice rather than incompetence onto the owners. Either way, I'm not that bothered, although it is a pity to see such a historical magazine go by the wayside. 

 

But if the magazine goes, I assume this forum goes as well. I don't want that. 



#350 ExFlagMan

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Posted 10 November 2019 - 15:57

If the forum went then where would some of the Autosport Plus journalists get there ideas?