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#101 garoidb

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Posted 09 October 2019 - 18:01

I do wonder how much it actually saves, but the number of times it would actually have been required is quite small.

 

It affected the WDC race in 2010 (Alonso, Monaco) so it's effect has not been insignificant to the overall F1 story. 



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#102 Krr

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Posted 09 October 2019 - 19:04

The best that Kubica can really hope for is a sim / development driver in F1. 

 

He does not have to hope for sim/development driver in F1, he can choose for which team he would like to do the job. Assuming he would like the job, which he does not, or not full time/only anyway. He said himself he did not fight his ass off for many years to make himself close in the box for most of the year.

 

https://www.autospor...-over-2020-role

 

https://www.formula1...VZFxRaw91d.html



#103 AndyPerry

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Posted 09 October 2019 - 19:23

He does not have to hope for sim/development driver in F1, he can choose for which team he would like to do the job. Assuming he would like the job, which he does not, or not full time/only anyway.


Which tells you exactly, how much that job is worth, or to be more exact, what Robert's worth is, these days.

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Posted 09 October 2019 - 19:33

He does not have to hope for sim/development driver in F1, he can choose for which team he would like to do the job. Assuming he would like the job, which he does not, or not full time/only anyway. He said himself he did not fight his ass off for many years to make himself close in the box for most of the year.

 

 

 

I doubt Kubica can be picky these days .

 

He is too incompetent to get another driver gig, and can only hope his sponsor daddies buy him a video gamer simulator seat or something .

Maybe a reserve driver job with a little  FP time at the wheel, but only if another team is as desperate for money as Williams was .

On merit, Kubica will never race competitively in F1 again .



#105 pdac

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Posted 09 October 2019 - 19:35

He does not have to hope for sim/development driver in F1, he can choose for which team he would like to do the job. Assuming he would like the job, which he does not, or not full time/only anyway. He said himself he did not fight his ass off for many years to make himself close in the box for most of the year.

 

https://www.autospor...-over-2020-role

 

https://www.formula1...VZFxRaw91d.html

 

So, the quotes from the Autosport article are:

"Anything is possible and we are talking with him"
"I always talk with a lot of people, try to make things better. But I don't know yet [if it will happen]"
"I need still to speak with Robert if he wants to do it now he has decided he is leaving Williams, but I don't know his other plans."
"He's got lot of experience, and he is known to be one of the best test and simulator drivers around"
"I've never worked with him, but I've got a lot of people which worked with him, and they all respect him a lot."
"I think he cannot do a full-time job, or he doesn't want to. But he is a good benchmark.
"With no testing next year we need to do it, because otherwise there is no point to put someone in the simulator who cannot make a correlation"
"We need to do tests or free practices. That's all part of it."
"But I think we are getting ahead of ourselves here. It [the discussion] is in infant stage, but it is possible."

 

 

I've highlighted the bits that stick out for me.

 

Not sure why you've included the link to the formula1.com article as it's just speculation (the same as we have here).



#106 Paco

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Posted 09 October 2019 - 20:34

So, the quotes from the Autosport article are:


I've highlighted the bits that stick out for me.

Not sure why you've included the link to the formula1.com article as it's just speculation (the same as we have here).


Was regarded as a good test guy, that doesn’t mean he is now.

As for sim guy, then why hasn’t it translated? Mercedes use Ant a lot before races but doesn’t mean he would be effective on track as a race weekend driver... so perhaps being locked in a box is what he could contribute... haven’t heard that other then the One quote from earlier this week. Steiner seems to be interested but I have a feeling that’s more money related with their huge drop in prize money they are facing...

#107 Krr

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Posted 09 October 2019 - 20:46

Not sure why you've included the link to the formula1.com article as it's just speculation (the same as we have here).


Well, speculation from any of us here, and a speculation from senior F1 offical site writer who actually attends races and surely have all sorts of inside contacts are entirly different thing.

Also quotes like these seems more then a speculation for me.

"it hasn’t stopped Racing Point and Haas getting in touch with the Pole to enquire whether he would be interested"

"At least one other team is believed to have also contacted him"

"Haas, meanwhile, were straight on the phone to Kubica"

#108 Murdoch

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Posted 09 October 2019 - 20:48

I doubt Kubica can be picky these days .

 

He is too incompetent to get another driver gig, and can only hope his sponsor daddies buy him a video gamer simulator seat or something .

Maybe a reserve driver job with a little  FP time at the wheel, but only if another team is as desperate for money as Williams was .

On merit, Kubica will never race competitively in F1 again .

 

Hard to argue against.

 

+ If he was a reserve, then the team will have to invest in a steering wheel to suit RK just for the odd FP outing.

 

Actuality to be fair thats not an issue, as the RK's sugar daddies will pay for that.

 

As you were.



#109 Krr

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Posted 09 October 2019 - 20:53

Was regarded as a good test guy, that doesn’t mean he is now.

As for sim guy, then why hasn’t it translated? Mercedes use Ant a lot before races but doesn’t mean he would be effective on track as a race weekend driver... so perhaps being locked in a box is what he could contribute... haven’t heard that other then the One quote from earlier this week. Steiner seems to be interested but I have a feeling that’s more money related with their huge drop in prize money they are facing...

He used many different similators across the years after the crash including Red Bull, Mercedes or Dallara (which is well conected to Haas) so the teams are surely more aware what he can or cannot do then you. And all seems very keen on him taking the job is rather telling.

You also trying to make an impresion that even if he would like to go carting he would still need bring 1mln EUR from Orlen. Well, he is not. In 2018 he was paid by Williams, not the other way around. And I am pretty sure he would not need to bring a dime to have a full time sim job. But the fact is he does not want to.

Edited by Krr, 09 October 2019 - 21:01.


#110 Krr

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Posted 09 October 2019 - 21:06

One more thing about possible DTM drive. Maybe not everybody remember - he already tested with Mercedes back in 2013, and despite no offcial time were revealed, he reportedly got along with the car instantly, being faster then his well experienced in that series benchmak - Gary Paffett. Only have polish for now:

http://www.motorspor...ecia,92667.html
https://sokolimokiem...icy-w-dtm-2013/

Edited by Krr, 09 October 2019 - 21:08.


#111 Paco

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Posted 09 October 2019 - 21:28

It will be interesting what shakes out of this, that’s for sure.

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Posted 09 October 2019 - 21:32

One more thing about possible DTM drive. Maybe not everybody remember - he already tested with Mercedes back in 2013, and despite no offcial time were revealed, he reportedly got along with the car instantly, being faster then his well experienced in that series benchmak - Gary Paffett. Only have polish for now:

http://www.motorspor...ecia,92667.html
https://sokolimokiem...icy-w-dtm-2013/


Don't get your hopes up (again).

#113 kumo7

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Posted 09 October 2019 - 22:17

I doubt Kubica can be picky

 

He is too incompetent

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Posted 09 October 2019 - 22:22

Well, speculation from any of us here, and a speculation from senior F1 offical site writer who actually attends races and surely have all sorts of inside contacts are entirly different thing.

Also quotes like these seems more then a speculation for me.

"it hasn’t stopped Racing Point and Haas getting in touch with the Pole to enquire whether he would be interested"

"At least one other team is believed to have also contacted him"

"Haas, meanwhile, were straight on the phone to Kubica"

 

I'm not sure I agree with this. I think the people that contribute here are quite knowledgeable people and can come up with many different takes on the same facts. They debate with one another and can soak up the ideas of others to refine their own ideas. So, I would say that the speculation here (as a whole) is equally as good.



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Posted 10 October 2019 - 04:22

I'm not sure I agree with this. I think the people that contribute here are quite knowledgeable people and can come up with many different takes on the same facts. They debate with one another and can soak up the ideas of others to refine their own ideas. So, I would say that the speculation here (as a whole) is equally as good.

Fair enough. I did not want to be offensive about posters here, not at all. Sure, the discussion can be very fruitfull, not to mention immense knowledge being presented.

But still, it is a different type of a "speculation" here then actually involved in F1 journalist "presenting" his take on the matter, which safe to say have other bases then just his own feelings and thoughts. His job is to write about F1 and to know things about it. Here, people have probably hungrendrs of different jobs and writes about F1 because of another tens of reason, but rarely could prove to have some actual inside sources to back up their argument.

You get me now?

Edited by Krr, 10 October 2019 - 04:24.


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Posted 10 October 2019 - 08:11

Robert on his future for M. Sokół: "Things are going forward, but nothing has been decided yet. I will put it this way:if I will not be racing (somewhere) next season, it will be because I made such decision."

Cleary he is deciding between sharing his time between some DTM or something and part time F1 job, or full commitment for sim/development/3rd/reserve role in F1 after all, possible with potential 2021 full time seat.

Already before 2019 he said he has 2 options, one was with longer perspective, but without a regular drive and second was Williams.

Edited by Krr, 10 October 2019 - 08:12.


#117 Krr

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Posted 10 October 2019 - 08:15

Don't get your hopes up (again).


I am taking anything up, I am just reminding he tested DTM car before, and reportedly he was driving not bad, to say at least.

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Posted 10 October 2019 - 09:59

Robert on his future for M. Sokół: "Things are going forward, but nothing has been decided yet. I will put it this way:if I will not be racing (somewhere) next season, it will be because I made such decision."

Cleary he is deciding between sharing his time between some DTM or something and part time F1 job, or full commitment for sim/development/3rd/reserve role in F1 after all, possible with potential 2021 full time seat.
 

 

Yeah it looks that way. I'll be amazed if he gets a 2021 drive though.

 

Edit: In fact it would be almost as impressive as his current comeback. Getting another drive at 36 having been so poor this year would be extremely impressive.


Edited by TheFish, 10 October 2019 - 10:00.


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Posted 10 October 2019 - 11:10

Williams is not for sale, and never will be. Someone with the surname "Wiliams" will eventually shut the garage doors and close the team down. That's been clear since 1969. 

 

Didn't they float on the stock market a while ago ? If so, then I cannot see how what you say can possibly be true, that is no longer an option.



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Posted 10 October 2019 - 11:41

Didn't they float on the stock market a while ago ? If so, then I cannot see how what you say can possibly be true, that is no longer an option.

 

That might be true apart from the fact Sir Frank (as of 2017) held 52% of the shares, Patrick Head 9% and only around 20% were listed on the Frankfurt Stock Market.  



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Posted 10 October 2019 - 11:53

That might be true apart from the fact Sir Frank (as of 2017) held 52% of the shares, Patrick Head 9% and only around 20% were listed on the Frankfurt Stock Market.  

But still, if other people hold shares, are you allowed to voluntarily close down a healthy company ? I have no idea. 



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Posted 10 October 2019 - 11:54

Also, with regards to Kubica I hope that he moves on to something that provides him happiness and an opportunity to have success.  I am not convinced it will be in F1 anymore (at least, not as a race driver since time and tide wait for no man etc) but I am sure he can have success in other racing series and would be interested to see how he got on in DTM should he have a go at it.  I am glad he got a shot in F1 again and really only wish him well.  



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Posted 10 October 2019 - 11:55

But still, if other people hold shares, are you allowed to voluntarily close down a healthy company ? I have no idea. 

I am not an expert but he holds a majority vote but it would probably depend on any clauses that were put in during the floating of those shares.



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Posted 10 October 2019 - 12:18

One more thing about possible DTM drive. Maybe not everybody remember - he already tested with Mercedes back in 2013, and despite no offcial time were revealed, he reportedly got along with the car instantly, being faster then his well experienced in that series benchmak - Gary Paffett. Only have polish for now:

http://www.motorspor...ecia,92667.html
https://sokolimokiem...icy-w-dtm-2013/

 

I've also read this when testing for Renault and Williams? Race speed seems to be a different ball game.



#125 Paco

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Posted 10 October 2019 - 12:23

Robert on his future for M. Sokół: "Things are going forward, but nothing has been decided yet. I will put it this way:if I will not be racing (somewhere) next season, it will be because I made such decision."

Cleary he is deciding between sharing his time between some DTM or something and part time F1 job, or full commitment for sim/development/3rd/reserve role in F1 after all, possible with potential 2021 full time seat.

Already before 2019 he said he has 2 options, one was with longer perspective, but without a regular drive and second was Williams.

There isn’t a part time role in F1 unless you consider sim work part time when the call on you or being a driver coach for Lance Stroll..that’s just the way kubica communicates in his constant stream of riddles and saying stuff and nothing at the same time.

As for options, it’s becoming abundantly clear now that options don’t mean he has a shot at them only that they are available based on certain drivers leaving teams and his ego assuming he would be in consideration even he had zero chance at them. He felt it was an option but when he inquired the door closed. That’s a very different scenario. Sure I have an option of driving for Williams.. doesn’t mean it could ever happen.

Edited by Paco, 10 October 2019 - 12:26.


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Posted 10 October 2019 - 12:26

Listen guys,...

HAM said Robert is the most talented driver he Have seen,

Obviosly Robert made the winning cart for Nico Rosberg. 

 

I am happy and proud that AT LEAST Robert made the right decision to leave the sport at the RIGHT timing.

 

IMHO, I cannot see Williams tailing around the last bits of the track with arguable the best PU on its back.



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Posted 10 October 2019 - 12:27

But still, if other people hold shares, are you allowed to voluntarily close down a healthy company ? I have no idea.


No. Plus, why would as you want a to make money, and the highest return possible. Plus there are voting and non voting shares etc. When Frank passes and depending how his shares are given then there could be an opportunity but doesn’t seem that is near... the team only closes if the family wishes it so. Or they fail to make it to a gp for financial reasons.

Edited by Paco, 10 October 2019 - 12:30.


#128 rkrp

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Posted 10 October 2019 - 12:46

From Robert's interviews today i think the only doubtful thing is if he will be able to do some racing outside the main job. That means he will stay in F1 as a reserve and dev driver. That's the safe option and we can probably be sure of that imo.



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Posted 10 October 2019 - 13:01

There isn’t a part time role in F1 unless you consider sim work part time when the call on you or being a driver coach for Lance Stroll..that’s just the way kubica communicates in his constant stream of riddles and saying stuff and nothing at the same time.

As for options, it’s becoming abundantly clear now that options don’t mean he has a shot at them only that they are available based on certain drivers leaving teams and his ego assuming he would be in consideration even he had zero chance at them. He felt it was an option but when he inquired the door closed. That’s a very different scenario. Sure I have an option of driving for Williams.. doesn’t mean it could ever happen.

Hm hm hm, who was that poster that was arguing recently that reserve drivers (obvioulsy not 3rd, god forbid) these days do nothing but wandering around padock with sad faces hoping that someone get sick? If you think it is full time job and cannot be connected with some racing then well, you need to live with that.

 

Commiting to full time sim job, when you usually are required to be closed in the box to find tenths of seconds overnight during race weekends, with some possible agreed ealier actual outings in FPs is entirly different thing, that could be named full time job, surely.

 

What is becoming abundantly clear, is that Robert Kubica did someting bad to you afterall. You were begging that Williams F1 thread becomes clear of Robert Kubica as you was so tired of it, and now there is separete thread, as you hoped for, and yet, you are here, pretending to know everything, as always. Why not leave this thread be, will you?



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Posted 10 October 2019 - 13:21

Listen guys,...
HAM said Robert is the most talented driver he Have seen,
Obviosly Robert made the winning cart for Nico Rosberg.

I am happy and proud that AT LEAST Robert made the right decision to leave the sport at the RIGHT timing.

IMHO, I cannot see Williams tailing around the last bits of the track with arguable the best PU on its back.


I am going to ask you an honest question, because I genuinely want to know.

How old are you?

#131 Paco

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Posted 10 October 2019 - 13:32

Listen guys,...
HAM said Robert is the most talented driver he Have seen,
Obviosly Robert made the winning cart for Nico Rosberg.

I am happy and proud that AT LEAST Robert made the right decision to leave the sport at the RIGHT timing.

IMHO, I cannot see Williams tailing around the last bits of the track with arguable the best PU on its back.


And Button going on hot talented Rubens was at setup... doesn’t mean Rubens should be back in 2019... he also goes on about Pérez and yet Pérez struggled in 1-lap pace against Ocon last year...

Plus, Hamilton didn’t say Robert was in 2019... it was nearly a decade ago under a very different era and car. He was being nice which most of the media circuit was... what did you expect him say... something deragatory and negative... it was impressive he convinced Williams to give him the drive, no doubt... but had he not come with a wad of cash it may have made the entry more impressive and on merit vs the appearance it was all about the cash..

Edited by Paco, 10 October 2019 - 13:34.


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Posted 10 October 2019 - 13:41

Hm hm hm, who was that poster that was arguing recently that reserve drivers (obvioulsy not 3rd, god forbid) these days do nothing but wandering around padock with sad faces hoping that someone get sick? If you think it is full time job and cannot be connected with some racing then well, you need to live with that.

Commiting to full time sim job, when you usually are required to be closed in the box to find tenths of seconds overnight during race weekends, with some possible agreed ealier actual outings in FPs is entirly different thing, that could be named full time job, surely.

What is becoming abundantly clear, is that Robert Kubica did someting bad to you afterall. You were begging that Williams F1 thread becomes clear of Robert Kubica as you was so tired of it, and now there is separete thread, as you hoped for, and yet, you are here, pretending to know everything, as always. Why not leave this thread be, will you?

You can attack me, not everyone is on the Robert train and I have every right to post against him the same way you do to prop him up. I was simply commenting on recent media posts and providing an opinion on 3rd driver of old and reserve drivers of now and how it isn’t a drive as they almost never get to race in the modern era so it’s simply a marketing endeavour. Look at the math, number of races x number of teams x number of years let’s say 6 years, how many times did a reserve driver get a race in and then make it a percentage of all those. It’s practically zero.

Sure, Robert could fit that bill since he has direct experience in these cars but the chances of that meaning anything is practically zero so calling it a 3rd is just plain wrong.

Plus not sure he’d qualify now for test sessions where non race drivers can compete in now that he completed a season.. Pretty sure he can’t do those now so even less a chance to drive an F1 car.. so if he steps and takes a test session as a reseve it would be at the cost of a currently seated driver and with even less test runs next year that would upsetting to a racer perhaps, additionally could confuse engineers if his data looks different their racers. I get if it brings cash but still do not see the huge benefit to anyone.

It’s Roberts communication style of saying lots and nothing at the same time and portraying something Robert has options simply because seats are open and yet not having race seat discussion that’s misleading to his fans and F1 public. Man reason I even came here was because of the unexpected Haas Steiner presser and seeing if there was anything of merit in it and if there were any polish media reports providing additional insight. Then yes I respond to misleading info and provide an alternate viewpoint of certain details.

Edited by Paco, 10 October 2019 - 13:49.


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Posted 10 October 2019 - 13:49

I am going to ask you an honest question, because I genuinely want to know.

How old are you?

 

why do you think it is in any way a relevant question....?

 

This is my genuine question...



#134 rkrp

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Posted 10 October 2019 - 13:51

How to kill Williams topic?

You create separate thread about Kubica. 

Still have to admit i was hoping some of the guys will stay there as I'm only interested in Robert's future, not discussing his ability to drive.



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Posted 10 October 2019 - 13:52

And Button going on hot talented Rubens was at setup... doesn’t mean Rubens should be back in 2019... he also goes on about Pérez and yet Pérez struggled in 1-lap pace against Ocon last year...

Plus, Hamilton didn’t say Robert was in 2019... it was nearly a decade ago under a very different era and car. He was being nice which most of the media circuit was... what did you expect him say... something deragatory and negative... it was impressive he convinced Williams to give him the drive, no doubt... but had he not come with a wad of cash it may have made the entry more impressive and on merit vs the appearance it was all about the cash..

 

I have no idea if Button or Rubens has got anything to do with my feeling.

I can tell you afar there is no relationships.

 

If Ham thought that Robert is not any more the most talented and he meed to express that, then it is his business and not mine.

 

One thing is sure, as of my feeling, my humble feeling, that Williams Formula One team has way past its effectiveness as the top racing team.

It is time for them to leave the sport with the most honorable memory.

Or else, it needs to reinvent itself.



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Posted 10 October 2019 - 13:53

How to kill Williams topic?

You create separate thread about Kubica. 

Still have to admit i was hoping some of the guys will stay there as I'm only interested in Robert's future, not discussing his ability to drive.

 

Yes you are right.

I am sorry, I appologize.

 

Pls the forum, ignore my posts here.


Edited by kumo7, 10 October 2019 - 13:54.


#137 AndyPerry

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Posted 10 October 2019 - 14:23

why do you think it is in any way a relevant question....?

This is my genuine question...


Because it would help me to understand the intent of your post.

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Posted 10 October 2019 - 14:46

Well he's nicely devalued his reputation by coming back to F1, something that I knew would happen. He has at least proved me wrong in lasting more of the season than I expected.

 

I hope he goes back to rallying and stops wasting his time thinking he can race single seaters like he used to.



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Posted 10 October 2019 - 14:52

why do you think it is in any way a relevant question....?

This is my genuine question...


You of course have no obligation to reveal your age on the public forum.

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Posted 10 October 2019 - 14:59

You can attack me, not everyone is on the Robert train and I have every right to post against him the same way you do to prop him up. I was simply commenting on recent media posts and providing an opinion on 3rd driver of old and reserve drivers of now and how it isn’t a drive as they almost never get to race in the modern era so it’s simply a marketing endeavour. Look at the math, number of races x number of teams x number of years let’s say 6 years, how many times did a reserve driver get a race in and then make it a percentage of all those. It’s practically zero.

Sure, Robert could fit that bill since he has direct experience in these cars but the chances of that meaning anything is practically zero so calling it a 3rd is just plain wrong.

Plus not sure he’d qualify now for test sessions where non race drivers can compete in now that he completed a season.. Pretty sure he can’t do those now so even less a chance to drive an F1 car.. so if he steps and takes a test session as a reseve it would be at the cost of a currently seated driver and with even less test runs next year that would upsetting to a racer perhaps, additionally could confuse engineers if his data looks different their racers. I get if it brings cash but still do not see the huge benefit to anyone.

It’s Roberts communication style of saying lots and nothing at the same time and portraying something Robert has options simply because seats are open and yet not having race seat discussion that’s misleading to his fans and F1 public. Man reason I even came here was because of the unexpected Haas Steiner presser and seeing if there was anything of merit in it and if there were any polish media reports providing additional insight. Then yes I respond to misleading info and provide an alternate viewpoint of certain details.

I am not attacking you, I just had an impression, confirmed by yourself many times at Williams thread, that you have enough of Kubica discussion, yet you proving you probably enjoy it somehow, by posting here, in contrary of what your hopes were not long ago.

 

Well, I agree with you that if not connected with sim/FPs outing, resererve/3rd driver role is simply a marketing endeavour, you are aware, don't you? But the thing is when I said he could take that part F1 job (meaning exactly only reserve/3rd), along with some racing, you replied there is no such thing as part job in F1. And now you are again trying to explain it to me that this very job is nothing but marketing, which I already know very well.  :stoned:  :stoned:  :stoned:

 

If he takes the test sessions or FPs it will rather be decision of given team boss, which are rather believed to know what is the best for the team, right?

 

Have you ever thought that his way of speaking is the art of saying something, but saying nothing? Either he does not want to or he cannot, but these press guys are all over them, asking hungred, often the same questions every weekend, so you need to say something, but at the same time you cannot reaveal much. And what this has to do with making the picture he has options but not having them according to you, I have no idea. And also, to judge his value to the team, or saying he surely is not contribiuting anyhow, because he cannot speak to the engieeners, based on how he speaks to the press, is just most stupid thing I have ever heard. And you've been saying this on a few occasions.

 

You had straight quotes from Steiner on multiple credible sources, what more you need? Some conspiracy from polish media?  :wave:


Edited by Krr, 10 October 2019 - 15:03.


#141 Paco

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Posted 10 October 2019 - 16:48

I have no idea if Button or Rubens has got anything to do with my feeling.
I can tell you afar there is no relationships.

If Ham thought that Robert is not any more the most talented and he meed to express that, then it is his business and not mine.

One thing is sure, as of my feeling, my humble feeling, that Williams Formula One team has way past its effectiveness as the top racing team.
It is time for them to leave the sport with the most honorable memory.
Or else, it needs to reinvent itself.

So 2 bad seasons is a reason to leave.. wow. Then why is McLaren still around then man alive Renault should left eon’s ago. What’s RB doing launching slow cars with problems that takes then months to sort. Etc. You need a reality check, they went the wrong way a couple years back and it cost them and they think they can make it better....just not with kubica slowing them down.

Perhaps someone will take a huge risk and sign him to something, be fun to see how he would do against Perez if Stroll let’s him have a go for 1mil in a RP... just to see more of the same but then it would be because of a steering wheel or lack of Seat time or lack of something. But I would like to see how he does. Even against Ocon if they still has his custom wheel at Renault.

Edited by Paco, 10 October 2019 - 16:51.


#142 pdac

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Posted 10 October 2019 - 21:56

But still, if other people hold shares, are you allowed to voluntarily close down a healthy company ? I have no idea. 

 

I'm no expert on these things, but I'm guessing that, in theory, if the company had enough capital then they could buy back all of the shares and delist. Then they could close down. But why would anything like that ever happen? Much better to run the company into the ground first.



#143 Clatter

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Posted 10 October 2019 - 22:10

I'm no expert on these things, but I'm guessing that, in theory, if the company had enough capital then they could buy back all of the shares and delist. Then they could close down. But why would anything like that ever happen? Much better to run the company into the ground first.

No, I it's much better to cut your loses and sell up while it's still a going concern.

#144 Paco

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Posted 10 October 2019 - 22:11

I'm no expert on these things, but I'm guessing that, in theory, if the company had enough capital then they could buy back all of the shares and delist. Then they could close down. But why would anything like that ever happen? Much better to run the company into the ground first.


It rarely happens and mainly when you don’t need street money and self financing and it makes sense to buy out shareholders vs paying them.. and no need to be listed.. Family businesses can do that but I think Williams would only due that if a huge takeover with private would happen and they didn’t want the reporting aspect of a public traded entity.

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Posted 11 October 2019 - 00:17

It was obvious since the beginning that he would not be able to be up to any decent standard in F1. It’s amusing that so many people thought otherwise. Barring his injury, he has been away from the sport for almost a decade.... what did people expect? He wasn’t even the top driver in his prime, just someone who barely edged Heidfeld.
I’m glad he is gone, because it was a bit of a circus with him this year, and I cannot imagine why any team would see any added value in him, apart from sponsor money.

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Posted 11 October 2019 - 06:43

It was obvious since the beginning that he would not be able to be up to any decent standard in F1. It’s amusing that so many people thought otherwise. Barring his injury, he has been away from the sport for almost a decade.... what did people expect? He wasn’t even the top driver in his prime, just someone who barely edged Heidfeld.
I’m glad he is gone, because it was a bit of a circus with him this year, and I cannot imagine why any team would see any added value in him, apart from sponsor money.

im no kubica fan boy, but at the time he was considered by knowledgeable people to be one of the very best.

it is sad that he hasnt been able to replicate his previous speed, but the fact that he made it back all the way to f1 is quite amazing.

he hasnt matched the speed of russell, who is very highly rated, is a bummer, but he has shown that he still has considerable speed to compete in lesser categories.

im sure he will have a great career be it as a reserve/sim driver in f1/dtm racer.

bravo roberto!



#147 rkrp

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Posted 11 October 2019 - 11:32

It was obvious since the beginning that he would not be able to be up to any decent standard in F1. It’s amusing that so many people thought otherwise. Barring his injury, he has been away from the sport for almost a decade.... what did people expect? He wasn’t even the top driver in his prime, just someone who barely edged Heidfeld.
I’m glad he is gone, because it was a bit of a circus with him this year, and I cannot imagine why any team would see any added value in him, apart from sponsor money.

lol. You just showed how ignorant you are. Heidfeld was actually a very good driver. One of the best that never won a race. After the accident it was Robert who suggested Renault to give him his car. 
Saying Kubica wasn't top driver is pure bs. You can argue about his second career where circumstances are just very difficult, but his 1st career was at Alonso/Hamilton level. He did a great job in Renault where he finally was the 1st driver. AND he was signed for Ferrari for 2012.


 



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Posted 11 October 2019 - 11:37

lol. You just showed how ignorant you are. Heidfeld was actually a very good driver. One of the best that never won a race. After the accident it was Robert who suggested Renault to give him his car.
Saying Kubica wasn't top driver is pure bs. You can argue about his second career where circumstances are just very difficult, but his 1st career was at Alonso/Hamilton level. He did a great job in Renault where he finally was the 1st driver. AND he was signed for Ferrari for 2012.


He has done nothing to be considered in the same league as Alonso or Hamilton. At the very best he was probably somewhere near Ricciardo level, although even this is debatable. It’s amazing the kind of fantasies his fans have .
Heidfeld was indeed a very good driver, even underrated, but not a top driver. Kubica barely edged him, and only in 2008, while 2007/2009 Nick looked better.

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His 2nd career is the worst any driver has ever had, it’s on par with Badoer making his Ferrari debut. Also some 10 years apart.
It’s F1, not some charity event. Yes, his determination after his accident is remarkable, but he is simply not fit for F1 anymore, and it was a fantasy world to imagine that he, even without his injury would fair better. Even Michael struggled, only 3 years after, and he was one of the best drivers ever. Get your pink glasses off.
Saying he deserves a drive based on his decent performances a decade ago... it almost sounds that Alain Prost would do better than him in this day.
Kubica must be the most overrated driver ever along with Hulkenberg.

Edited by Anuity, 11 October 2019 - 12:56.


#149 Paco

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Posted 11 October 2019 - 12:19

im no kubica fan boy, but at the time he was considered by knowledgeable people to be one of the very best.
it is sad that he hasnt been able to replicate his previous speed, but the fact that he made it back all the way to f1 is quite amazing.
he hasnt matched the speed of russell, who is very highly rated, is a bummer, but he has shown that he still has considerable speed to compete in lesser categories.
im sure he will have a great career be it as a reserve/sim driver in f1/dtm racer.
bravo roberto!

Why would a lesser formula want Kubica.. he brings extra cost of custom rigs, the risk of negative speak from him against the team and has shown little speed now at this age and injury, hasn’t shown he gets how the current generation cars work... it’s transferable as we have seen rookies do well straight away so straight away he would be a lesser driver in a lesser formula. — why would anyone want that?.

Only thing he brings is money.

That is just based on everything we’ve seen this year and how competent lease formula drivers are.

Everyone (drivers engineers etc) has gotten more professional and more knowledgeable even in lesser formulas. Even that Japanese driver at Toro Rosso did respectable runs today.

There is no place for cranky drivers who slam their teams at every opportunity in this day and age.. everything is very corporate and control. Too many good drivers out there to put up with that nonsense unless you have absolute killer speed. People have a low threshold for guys like that today. In the past it was more tolerated, today it’s not.

Edited by Paco, 11 October 2019 - 12:24.


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Posted 11 October 2019 - 12:24

Well if the FP2 sets the grid then he's finally outqualified Russell, at least!