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#101 Alfisti

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 05:50

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#102 Yhamm

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 06:12

is coulthard allowed to do that?



#103 rockdude101

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 06:12

That went perfectly for Whincup

#104 Yhamm

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 06:14

looks like it was a real issue for the #12

now SVG is up to 4th


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#105 rockdude101

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 06:26

Betting against another safety car? Bold move today!

#106 Peat

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 06:38

This is like an Indy500. Fascinating.



#107 rockdude101

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 06:50

This is going down to the last lap again!

#108 krapmeister

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 06:51

Last 9 laps - bring it on!

#109 krapmeister

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 06:57

Whincup needs to pass Courtney NOW to have a chance at winning this

#110 krapmeister

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 07:00

It's between Scotty and the Giz now

#111 rockdude101

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 07:01

Reynolds closing on Whincup. Unless the fuel gives up, this is between Scotty and Gisbergen

Edited by rockdude101, 13 October 2019 - 07:02.


#112 Alfisti

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 07:01

Ford is so fast from the chase to griffins. Its insane.

#113 Peat

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 07:02

WAGCAM :cry:



#114 krapmeister

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 07:06

Well that's that - will finish under SC surely

#115 Yhamm

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 07:06

ugh, don't tell me it will end behind the SC



#116 Peat

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 07:07

ugh. What a shame.



#117 krapmeister

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 07:09

SC is going pretty slow though, trying to give the marshalls as much time as possible to clear it.

#118 Alfisti

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 07:09

They will get 1 lap I reakon. Still, a shame.

#119 rockdude101

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 07:09

We might get one lap!

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#120 krapmeister

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 07:11

If we get one lap the restart could be mental

#121 Yhamm

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 07:13

1 lap it is...



#122 rockdude101

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 07:13

The Great Race.

#123 Peat

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 07:14

oh boy oh boy!



#124 krapmeister

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 07:18

Deserved winners!

#125 Alfisti

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 07:22

Yeah he deserved one.

#126 LiftAndCoast

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 07:23

Well done Scottie, just faultless today.



#127 Peat

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 07:25

What a year for Penske.

Pleased for DJR.



#128 OvDrone

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 07:27

The Mountain delivered yet again. It's been a great night of 10+ hours of racing.

 

I'm a big SVG fan, but hats off to DJR, Penske, Premat and Scotty MC. Take a bow.



#129 WonderboyF1

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 08:05

What a race, well done Scotty!!

#130 Victor_RO

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 08:37

That was bloody tense for those last 50 laps. And that last Safety Car: a Penske car in the lead of a hugely important race, with fuel worries, under yellow with the safety crews desperately trying to clean it up so they could have one last lap under green. Bathurst 2019 or Indy 1994? Only difference is they managed to restart it here... and due to the stream delay I had to follow the gap around the last lap on the timing. When it said +0.6 after the Elbow, that was pretty much that.



#131 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 09:25

As Bathursts go a fairly uneventfull one. Best car  and driver won. 

Only controversy was the Tickford cars taking each other out. Very sorry for Cam Waters though it was not deliberate, just a result of drafting and Mostert brakes too late, jinked right to avoid Cam but ran over his wheel.  Mostert car was patched up and broke the lap record.

Then on a nanny car Coulthard in the secong DJR car packed the field back by about half a km. Was given a penalty and may have mixed the field up a bit though not a much as was said at the time. Enough to get Larrys ire up though!!

Bloody Kiwis and their overseas owners taking all the gold away,, A Kiwi and a Frog first,driving for Dick and Mr Penske a Kiwi and a West Aussie [many want to secede!!] second  driving for a Pom and two Aussies third driving for  Pommy US owners. 

The American/ Canadian Indy car drivers finished 10th from 21 finishers. I think the place opened their eyes!



#132 DS27

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Posted 13 October 2019 - 16:13

Bathurst. Always. Delivers.

 

The last couple of hours were real tense, and I had to watch the last lap through my fingers. SVG behind, cold tyres and drifting it out onto the dirt through the mountain was no good for my heart.

 

Will be cracking open a bottle tonight to celebrate Scott's win. What a star - my favourite driver across all the motorsport I watch.

 

 

What's the biggest ever championship winning margin?


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#133 Wuzak

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Posted 14 October 2019 - 05:23

The American/ Canadian Indy car drivers finished 10th from 21 finishers. I think the place opened their eyes!

 

19th.



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Posted 14 October 2019 - 07:27

 Enough to get Larrys ire up though!!

 

That was quite extraordinary. Wonder why we don't get thoughts from ex-drivers when it's a certain other team bending the rules (arguably the same rule) to their considerable advantage. 



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Posted 18 October 2019 - 12:07

I'll pop this here - Garry Rogers Motorsport will not be competing in the Supercars Championship in 2020 after handing back their 2 Racing Entitlements Contracts (REC)

 

Sad to see them go from the Supercars paddock. Hopefully their TCR and S5000 efforts will continue to grow for them.


Edited by krapmeister, 18 October 2019 - 12:08.


#136 Jazza

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Posted 18 October 2019 - 22:37

From factory Volvo team to out the sport in just a few years. Supercars needs to look hard at its future.

We have seen how championships like WEC and CART went from potential F1 challengers at their peak to a joke series in just a couple of years. Domestic series like BTCC and DTM also lost relevancy quickly after their peaks years as well. With the big midfield teams like GRM and Kelly Racing already competing in TCR, the loss of such an influential team like GRM from Supercars could be the start of the fall.

Should never have gone from free to air and should never have given 888 so much power. The 888 and Penske battle has a good McLaren and Ferrari super teams at war vibe about it, but it’s of no interest if the rest of the grid is empty.

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Posted 18 October 2019 - 22:47

Supercars are definitely in decline - down now to potentially only 23/24 cars next season? The next TV deal is also very unlikely to bring in the same kind of cash that the current one has, resulting in less money for the teams to share in - but the move to pay TV has not been good for the category IMO. When a team like GRM can't see the value in continuing then it doesn't bode well tbh...

#138 FPV GTHO

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Posted 18 October 2019 - 23:34

I think this is mostly to do with the Boost Mobile threats going around. When they decided to walk, neither they or Supercars by not extending the entry deadline gave GRM any other option.

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Posted 19 October 2019 - 02:16

It sounds like it is a combination of factors, but with costs being the main one and likely an issue since they lost the Volvo deal a few years ago. TBH the Boost threats may have been a last ditch effort for keeping GRM involved - I know they asked for an extension in order to give them time to try and explore options for continuing, but probably because they primarily felt a responsibility to their employees to do so.

Edited by krapmeister, 19 October 2019 - 02:16.


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Posted 20 October 2019 - 04:22

McL gets to keep Bathurst win, Penske fined $250K AU and 300 championship points.

#141 Jazza

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Posted 20 October 2019 - 06:43

$250,000 for a Supercar team?!?! That would be like a 10,000,000 dollar fine in F1 money.

A $250,000 fine would break a smaller team. Would they give a backmarker a fine like that or do they just make the numbers up as they go?

Also, if what Penske did was actually that bad to get a 1/4 of a million dollar hit, then that actually says that what they did was very severe. So bad enough to get an insane fine, but not bad enough to be disqualified? Kind says cheating is fine as long as you can buy the victory.

(To be clear, I don’t believe they should be disqualified. But if Supercars thinks that what they did was that bad to be worth $250,000, then they are sending a very confusing message by not disqualifying them...)

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Posted 20 October 2019 - 08:49

$100,000 was suspended though, until 2021.

 

So $150,000, which is still a decent amount of cash.

 

Still, it's proportionate to DJR/Penske, which has deep pockets.

As Lee Holdsworth said on the Fox Sport podcast the other day, you'd pay for a Bathurst win... 



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Posted 20 October 2019 - 09:08

Yep. For 888 and Penske trading cash for a Bathurst win is a no-brainer, which is why I find this fine to be ridiculous. Fines should simply be slaps on the wrist for little indiscretions. A fine of this magnitude isn’t saying that they made a simple mistake with out ill intent, but actually committed a severe violation of the rules to get a race winning advantage. This is essentially saying that you can cheat and just pay the fine after you’ve taken the trophy - which is something that teams the size of 888 and Penske would probably do any day of the week.

#144 FPV GTHO

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Posted 20 October 2019 - 09:18

The fine is only part of the monetary hit, as the existing sponsors are unlikely to be pleased with the negative coverage

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Posted 20 October 2019 - 10:14

I wonder what kind of win bonuses the team has built into its sponsorship deal with Shell.

 

For example, would they get a bonus for winning Bathurst of, say, $150,000...?



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Posted 20 October 2019 - 11:34

Why would they fine Penske if they did not think the 17 car got an advantage?

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Posted 20 October 2019 - 21:04

I think the term 'gaining an advantage' only relates to actions of the car in question. If car #17 had sped in pit lane, it would have gained an advantage. Car #12 slowing the field disadvantages the field but isn't an action of #17. So although #17 found itself in a more advantageous situation, it didn't gain that advantage.


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#148 Jazza

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Posted 21 October 2019 - 02:34

I think the term 'gaining an advantage' only relates to actions of the car in question. If car #17 had sped in pit lane, it would have gained an advantage. Car #12 slowing the field disadvantages the field but isn't an action of #17. So although #17 found itself in a more advantageous situation, it didn't gain that advantage.

But the team did gain according to the judgement. #12 was sacrificed to give a more advantageous position to #17, meaning that the net result is that the team comes out ahead.

The Pandora’s box of this would be running a second car (or more) illegally (underweight, overpowered, etc) so as to run interference of a rivals car (or even a legal car but with the aim of crashing a rival out) turning the race into essentially a game of Gridiron on wheels. The second car will get disqualified anyway, but as long as it’s ruined a championship rivals race then mission accomplished. Just pay your $250,000 whilst polishing the trophy because the car that won didn’t gain an advantage through its own actions.

If a driver and car can’t be separated, I don’t believe a team’s cars can be either when one is used to advantage the other. This is like in F1 where Alonso kept his Singapore win despite it being proven the team rigged the race. Yes Alonso didn’t cheat, but the team blatantly did.

This whole ruling comes across as trying to please everyone; “Look Holden fans, we threw the book at them with the biggest fine in history. Look Ford fans, we didn’t take the win off you because the driver who won did nothing wrong”, which is really quite chickensh*t. If they rigged the race to get fined so much then throw the team out the race. If what they did was no big deal then no further action. This decision just makes a total mess of everything.

Edited by Jazza, 21 October 2019 - 03:01.


#149 Wuzak

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Posted 21 October 2019 - 05:51

But the team did gain according to the judgement. #12 was sacrificed to give a more advantageous position to #17, meaning that the net result is that the team comes out ahead.

 

As I understand the incident, #12 slowed so as not to require stacking in the pits. #12 gained against all those behind (or rather, didn't lose out as they would otherwise), but #17 did not gain any positions or any time.



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Posted 08 November 2019 - 02:35

Sadly Mike Raymond, the voice of Bathurst telecasts in my youth and also the voice-over guy for seemingly every speedway ad I ever heard growing up has passed away.

https://www.speedcaf...e-raymond-dies/

Edited by krapmeister, 08 November 2019 - 02:36.