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[shure]

Not really. They were asked questions about him, just like he was.

That aside that Vettel usually says nothing about him (in fact he didnt said anything here as well) and that Hamilton usually praises him. While Verstappen tries his best to avoid to speak too highly about them and usually throws out a crapshoot or two.

That he then also calks it "distespectful" is ridiculous, indeed.

Well that's not true either.  They could have kept it low key when asked but they chose not to.  So Max was responding to that.  That's not the same at all.  Of course he is going to call it disrespectful because they attacked him.  Responding to an attack is somewhat different to initiating one

 

So yeah, ridiculous.

[Requiem84]

Three digs by Hamilton after 1 weekend:

1. Max disregards safety remark after Q
2. Max coming out of nowhere into T1 (bull ****)
3. More space needed when racing Max, also implying that he isn’t the smartest.

Sure. Max did not get into Hamilton’s head ^^.

[Marklar]

Time to back it, otherwise this simply is fanboyism.

In what way?

That Hamilton praises him?

Here for example
 

 

But Hamilton did praise “exciting” Verstappen for the Dutchman’s current level of performance and win in Austria, when he charged back from seventh to first.

“I think Max has been doing a great job and he’s really, really exciting to watch,” added Hamilton. “I think the last race was really fantastic. It’ll be interesting to see how they do moving forwards.”

Verstappen was asked yesterday to say what made Hamilton the driver he is today, he managed to avoid to say anything positive in there and just stated that he was better than his team mate and that he had the best car, and so on. Maybe it's the Dutch blundness, but others are clearly more complementary about him than the other way around. I have not much against that unless it's flat out wrong (which it sometimes is), but that's not something that is typical for apparently being so much in others heads^^

That Vettel never talks about him outside of when clashing with him? Find something, the only thing I can think of was the criticism to his...well, driving in 2016 which was 100 % justified.

And of course Verstappen had several interviews where he pointed out how Vettel and Hamilton are not that special. You can call it being honest, but then you can hardly complain about others biting back.

 

Three digs by Hamilton after 1 weekend:

1. Max disregards safety remark after Q
2. Max coming out of nowhere into T1 (bull ****)
3. More space needed when racing Max, also implying that he isn’t the smartest.

Sure. Max did not get into Hamilton’s head ^^.

So when Hamilton replies to questions "Verstappen got into his head", but if Verstappen does it he just replies to questions and actually is in others heads?

Double standards at its best   

Btw how come that we heard nothing from Hamilton this weekend about Verstappen if he is in his head?   

I would somewhat get it in Vettel's case since he is at least showing erratic driving at times against Verstappen (but even that cant be only attributed to Verstappen ffs), but with Hamilton you have zero to back it up 

[EndlessMotion]

Some of you talk like the old guard are having sleepless nights or waking up with cold sweats because of Max Of course they and everyone else is very much aware Max is the most talented of the young guys and going to be the one for the future. They've all as much alluded to that with compliments toward him over the last year or so. 

 

But the fact is whilst he's becoming more of a threat, he's proving through some of his own mistakes and admissions to still be a bit of a rough diamond in some areas and that's just being pounced upon and used by the likes of Lewis and Seb, asserting some dominance in a competitive sport.

 

If Max was beating them left right and centre in terms of speed, poles and wins on a more regular basis and it was sour grape comments from the top guys I think there'd be something to say for all this getting in their heads stuff. The reality however is Max is still learning and having ups and downs, some of the time not his fault and others very much his fault, whilst Lewis is giving out lessons to all in how to consistently finish races and be on the podium.

 

Fghting talk from all parties but I think the most relaxed side in the war of words are the guys with multiple championships to their name. They can all throw comments around in the press but better to let your driving do the talking out on track and start beating the competition. That's the only way to truly get inside a rivals head.

[Kao18]

In what way?

That Hamilton praises him?

Here for example

Thats the thing, I also remember Lewis words after Hungary and how incredibly happy he was saying something along the lines of beating the best. So I know he does think Max is a great driver. Thats why his over the top digs and attacks against Max more or less out of nowhere this weekend surprised me a lot.

I do think Max 2 tenths and teammate comments plus perhaps even more so that people like Button praise Max as the fastest driver have been getting to Lewis head a bit, frustrate him and contibuted to him lashing out. But this is all armchair psychology I must admit.

As a Max fan I do wish he replies a bit more tactful to questions at times but at the same time I enjoy his blunt honesty and part is also language barrier I am sure. In Dutch most of what he says comes accross much more 'lighthearted' so to speak.

By the way some in here are making it out as if Max was making mistakes in Mexico but the only mistake he made was not spotting a yellow flag in qualy as far as I am concerned.

Edited by Kao18, 02 November 2019 - 10:57.

[Marklar]

Thats the thing, I also remember Lewis words after Hungary and how incredibly happy he was saying something along the lines of beating the best. So I know he does think Max is a great driver. Thats why his over the top digs and attacks against Max more or less out of nowhere this weekend surprised me a lot.

I do think Max 2 tenths and teammate comments plus perhaps even more so that people like Button praise Max as the fastest driver have been getting to Lewis head a bit, frustrate him and contibuted to him lashing out. But this is all armchair psychology I must admit.

Yeah, I can see Hamilton being a tad frustrated to keep reading stuff like this, since especially the things Max says in particular appear pretty regular in the press, hence why he maybe thought to lash out for once as well. That's however for me not being in somebody's head, or at least not negatively, if somebody is in your head it shows in your driving. And I cant see it for Lewis, neither for Max (yet) for that matter. My suspicion about Max is more that Leclerc having right now better chances to be the first world champion of the next generation and potentially for years to come might be the thing that could irk him so much that it could show in his driving at some point (e.g. like Hamilton when he realized that Vettel is going to take title after title), but that's speculation.

Though maybe we read too much into it: The T1 thing might have looked from his perspective like out of nowhere after thinking that he outbraked him already, who knows, things happen quickly after all in the race and we've seen plenty drivers in the past misjudging things from their perspective when being interviewed about it. And that he says that he leaves Max more space usually is also not a first either (although he was too blunt this time). The remarks about Safety in Qualifying also depends on how you view the relevance yellow flags have or not. Some here find it outrageous to make a difference about it, some find it outrageous to not make a difference about that, etc.

As I said if nobody asks them about it they wouldnt have said anything, I guess if we could get their unfiltered thoughts about everyone we would hear so much worse things from all parties 

Edited by Marklar, 02 November 2019 - 11:01.

[Requiem84]

In what way?

That Hamilton praises him?

Here for example
 

Verstappen was asked yesterday to say what made Hamilton the driver he is today, he managed to avoid to say anything positive in there and just stated that he was better than his team mate and that he had the best car, and so on. Maybe it's the Dutch blundness, but others are clearly more complementary about him than the other way around. I have not much against that unless it's flat out wrong (which it sometimes is), but that's not something that is typical for apparently being so much in others heads^^

That Vettel never talks about him outside of when clashing with him? Find something, the only thing I can think of was the criticism to his...well, driving in 2016 which was 100 % justified.

And of course Verstappen had several interviews where he pointed out how Vettel and Hamilton are not that special. You can call it being honest, but then you can hardly complain about others biting back.

 

So when Hamilton replies to questions "Verstappen got into his head", but if Verstappen does it he just replies to questions and actually is in others heads?

Double standards at its best   

Btw how come that we heard nothing from Hamilton this weekend about Verstappen if he is in his head?   

I would somewhat get it in Vettel's case since he is at least showing erratic driving at times against Verstappen (but even that cant be only attributed to Verstappen ffs), but with Hamilton you have zero to back it up 

 

Funny you say that Verstappen never talks highly of Hamilton. That is again just biased non sense. I must say I expect more objectivity from you:

 

 

377/5000

 

 

 

"In the last few years, Lewis has not had the strongest teammates. If you have the right car, you can beat everyone. Lewis is a great driver and one of the best drivers to ever drive in Formula 1, but he also has the best If you have a dominant car, your teammate will be the only person you really compete with, "Verstappen told The Telegraph

 

 

One thing you can ever blame Max for is being dishonest. In fact, he's so honest that it made him lose pole position. The moment Hamilton started lying to make digs at Verstappen, my respect has been totally gone. 

Edited by Requiem84, 02 November 2019 - 11:03.

[CountDooku]

Three digs by Hamilton after 1 weekend:

1. Max disregards safety remark after Q
2. Max coming out of nowhere into T1 (bull ****)
3. More space needed when racing Max, also implying that he isn’t the smartest.

Sure. Max did not get into Hamilton’s head ^^.

Errr, the same Max that can’t handle Hamilton smashing wins and titles and the fact Charles is now the most talented youngster on the grid and stealing the limelight from him? 🤔
Why does Max keep talking about Hamilton?

[gillesfan76]

Not really. They were asked questions about him, just like he was.

That aside that Vettel usually says nothing about him (in fact he didnt said anything here as well) and that Hamilton usually praises him. While Verstappen tries his best to avoid to speak too highly about them and usually throws out a crapshoot or two.

That he then also calls it "disrespectful" is ridiculous, indeed.

 

 

Time to back it, otherwise this simply is fanboyism.

 

 

Three digs by Hamilton after 1 weekend:

1. Max disregards safety remark after Q
2. Max coming out of nowhere into T1 (bull ****)
3. More space needed when racing Max, also implying that he isn’t the smartest.

Sure. Max did not get into Hamilton’s head ^^.

 

Marklar is spot on. Your example of 3 digs is actually 2 digs - 1st regarding the quali incident where at the time both Lewis and Seb firmly thought that Max had ignored double yellows; and the 2nd on the T1 incident in the race.

 

Again, Lewis' comment on being "torpedoed" is before he saw any footage, and from his perspective he feels a hit to the side of his car and it would be natural to assume it was caused by a car understeering into you rather than it losing the rear and tank slapping into you.

 

Before Mexico, Lewis has been complimentary of Max and many times without even being asked. Meanwhile Max has made many statements about how Lewis has only won so much because he's had the best car; had second-rate team mates; how Alonso could have had even more titles had he had the car; how Max is 2 tenths faster etc. Not saying that what Max is saying is blatantly untrue or even hugely provocative, but they aren't complimentary and neither are they neutral. It is what it is, and his statements weren't terrible, but they were negative and not great either.

 

Given all that, I'm surprised that Lewis was as measured as he was given the ammunition that Max gave him in the weekend of Mexico.

 

By Max's own measure, that if someone talks about you that means you are in their head, then clearly Lewis has been in Max's head for the last couple of years.

Edited by gillesfan76, 02 November 2019 - 13:04.

[A3]

Errr, the same Max that can’t handle Hamilton smashing wins and titles and the fact Charles is now the most talented youngster on the grid and stealing the limelight from him? 🤔

[P123]

Funny you say that Verstappen never talks highly of Hamilton. That is again just biased non sense. I must say I expect more objectivity from you:
 
 
 
One thing you can ever blame Max for is being dishonest. In fact, he's so honest that it made him lose pole position. The moment Hamilton started lying to make digs at Verstappen, my respect has been totally gone.

Heh, was this the posting equivalent of 'jumping the shark'? Demanding 'objectivity' from others, then providing a quote of Max supposedly being praiseworthy, which includes him talking shite, and then getting giddy over Max's honesty, ignoring the context of his 'honesty' which was motivated by a bit of teenage pride. "Look at me, ain't I hard, I never slowed". Here, have a penalty.

Anyway, back to the sniffles about Hamilton being nasty to Max and the general mental hang up with regards Hamilton a few of the spammers over the last few pages have. The, err, hot topic of the moment.

[PayasYouRace]

I think this thread has run its course. The incidents in Mexico have been discussed to death and now we're just into a pissing contest.