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Red Bull with 4 top cars after 2020?

Started by Reddington , Nov 12 2019 04:37

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#1 Reddington

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 04:37

As known, although not in detail at all yet, FOM funds will be redistributed differently from 2021 onwards. Meaning the top teams will get less money and the back markers will more compared to the current Concord agreement.

Add to that the budget cap, and the three top teams will have considerably less money to spend.

For Red Bull, might that be a way to make Alpha Tauri into a full fledged top team?

They will get a bigger part of the pie in price money due to the new distribution of FOM money, and the money that increased the budget cap at RBR could be invested in the second team. Thus increasing the chance of running 4 cars at the top, get even more price money, increase chances of WCC and WDC championships while basically spending the same amount as they do now (roughly).

Your two cents?

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#2 kumo7

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 06:04

I would say the other way round.

Make the STR to the lower grid for younger aggressive talents, and to race with no fear of commercially failing in the F1 Business, and to get chunk of Monet that arrives to the lower grid.

THIs means, STR to be at around between 5~7th team...

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#3 Nobody

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 07:08

When talking RB, that's effectively 3 cars (in two different liveries) doing everything to help maximize the race for 1 car.

Also, how is that different from now?

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#4 Fisico54

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 07:15

When talking RB, that's effectively 3 cars (in two different liveries) doing everything to help maximize the race for 1 car.

Also, how is that different from now?

Please give 1 example of the Toro Rossos and the 2nd red bull working to help Verstappen?

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#5 KrisHr

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 07:19

Please give 1 example of the Toro Rossos and the 2nd red bull working to help Verstappen?

I can give you tons of examples of the TRs giving free positions to Vettel. Just check the 2012 title desider in Brazil ... The guy did everything he can to loose it to Alonso, and TRs and Schumacher didnt even try to defend ... I can give you more of that if you want.

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#6 JeePee

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 07:21

I can give you tons of examples of the TRs giving free positions to Vettel. Just check the 2012 title desider in Brazil ... The guy did everything he can to loose it to Alonso, and TRs and Schumacher didnt even try to defend ... I can give you more of that if you want.

Please do, 'cause 2012 is 7 years and almost 150 races ago.

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#7 KrisHr

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 07:33

Please do, 'cause 2012 is 7 years and almost 150 races ago.

Abu Dhabi comes to my mind, he started last and again he had 2 free passes ...

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#8 Baddoer

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 07:38

Abu Dhabi comes to my mind, he started last and again he had 2 free passes ...

What about Ocon moving to let Hamilton by in Monaco? He was driving for independent team for god sake

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#9 KrisHr

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 07:45

What about Ocon moving to let Hamilton by in Monaco? He was driving for independent team for god sake

True! Ocon is Merc junior But the topic was about TR not racing against RB back in the days. In recent years its not that easy BTW, Max had some great battles vs Kvyat I think.

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#10 Nobody

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 07:52

True! Ocon is Merc junior But the topic was about TR not racing against RB back in the days. In recent years its not that easy BTW, Max had some great battles vs Kvyat I think.

No the topic is RB having 4 cars to which I poured petrol on by saying how is that different from now ;)

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#11 KrisHr

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 07:56

No the topic is RB having 4 cars to which I poured petrol on by saying how is that different from now ;)

Well they have 4 cars, but except for the Max/Dan period, there`s a clear number 1 RB car and the others are supposed to help him.

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#12 taran

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 08:08

There is a world of difference between TR (and the second RB) getting out of the way of their #1 driver and them actively helping him by blocking rivals etc.

The former happens all the time. I have never seen a Sauber-Ferrari battle a Ferrari...have you?

In fact, I can actually remember a few times where the #2 RB was defending rather vigorously against the #1 RB. Or a just demoted RB in a TR defending against the new #2 RB......

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#13 JBJ

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 08:14

. In recent years its not that easy BTW, Max had some great battles vs Kvyat I think.

and the others are supposed to help him.

Well, which one is it?

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#14 KrisHr

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 08:16

Well, which one is it?

What I meant is that Vettel never had a hard time passing TR, unlike lets say Max, who had a great battles with Kvyat, I can remember Singapoore for an example.

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#15 JeePee

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 08:50

What about Ocon moving to let Hamilton by in Monaco? He was driving for independent team for god sake

What about Ocon NOT moving to let Hamilton win in Brazil 2018? :rotfl:

Edited by JeePee, 12 November 2019 - 08:50.

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#16 Marklar

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 09:06

the midfielders are so far off and know by now that it makes no sense to try to defend that everything looks like free passes

if the field is closer again we might see this again, though.

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#17 Risil

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 09:12

Can we not derail this thread in the first 100 metres by going over grievances about drivers letting non-teammates by?

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#18 Sterzo

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Posted 12 November 2019 - 09:53

As known, although not in detail at all yet, FOM funds will be redistributed differently from 2021 onwards. Meaning the top teams will get less money and the back markers will more compared to the current Concord agreement.

Add to that the budget cap, and the three top teams will have considerably less money to spend.

For Red Bull, might that be a way to make Alpha Tauri into a full fledged top team?

They will get a bigger part of the pie in price money due to the new distribution of FOM money, and the money that increased the budget cap at RBR could be invested in the second team. Thus increasing the chance of running 4 cars at the top, get even more price money, increase chances of WCC and WDC championships while basically spending the same amount as they do now (roughly).

Your two cents?

I'll quote your whole post, Reddington, to bring us back on topic.

I hadn't thought of this side effect of the budget cap, and my two cents is: it sounds great. Because the budget cap level is a compromise, it may not have as much effect on other teams as we hope, but in this specific example it could reallyl work. That assumes Mateschitz would actually want to do it, rather than save some euros.