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#1 TerryS

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Posted 15 November 2019 - 00:30

I acknowledge this is not nostalgia , having only happened last weekend, but it does make us yearn for “the good old days” when nostalgia reigns.

The Penske car #17 was charged with having excessive valve lift in the engine it used for qualifying at the Bathurst 1000. This engine was changed for the race because there was vapour being emitted from the oil tank.

Four weeks later the on the morning of the Sandown Enduro the Team the Stewards penalties were announced.

The penalties are:
- A fine of AUD 30,000
- The car is robbed of its Pole Position for the Bathurst race
- The car must start from the rear of the grid for the Sandown Enduro

Attached is the Stewards Report on the issue' I commend it to your reading as there has been a lot of ill-informed comment in Oz social media.

The correct link is in post #3

On the bottom of page 1 it notes the maximum allowed valve lift is 0.710 inches. The highest measurement on the Penske engine was 0.7135 inches.
The difference is 0.0035 inches. This is only 0.5% out. In metrics the excess is only0.0889, the thickness of a sheet of paper.
Surely an acceptable tolerance, particularly as there is some ambiguity over measurement procedures.

Three interesting comments by the Stewards half way down page4:

- The engine had trouble with water vapour being emitted from the oil tank. "the possibility that that the issue had some bearing on the valve lift COULDN'T be dismissed"

- After the Technical Department ran the engine it did NOT EXCEED the mandated maximum power.

- "There was NO demonstrated performance advantage from the Maximum Valve Lift exceedance".

In the light of these three statements I ask what is all the fuss about?

Comments on this issue have flooded racing websites in OZ, with the majority against the penalties.

Do you agree the punishment does not fit the “crime”?

Edited by TerryS, 15 November 2019 - 05:55.


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#2 Ray Bell

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Posted 15 November 2019 - 00:38

The link doesn't work, Terry...

But I'm sure it says that the discrepancy was only on five cylinders, too. Which shows it was by no means deliberate.

There are factors, like variations in rocker lengths for instance, which might have contributed to the issue. Remembering that the rocker ratio opens the valve further than the cam lobe's actual lift.

After the huge fine the other week, this is just galling. But they'll still win the championships so the public will see the winners they saw on TV get the results they should.

Isn't that all that matters?

#3 TerryS

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Posted 15 November 2019 - 02:01

Corrected link. Thanks Ray

https://www.cams.com...vrsn=81f5ebfc_2

#4 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 15 November 2019 - 09:07

IF Stupidcars are not carefull Roger will take his money somewhere better appreciated.

Bathurst hoo ha was a 888 trick though  maybe a little more obvious.

Sandown,, the TV had a quick interview with racewinners and little mention of Scott winning the title. Pure crap!!

As for engines,, as a sometime engine builder I have never measured lift at the rocker. Nowhere really to do so.At the lobe yes, and some brands of cams I will not use. But reputable cam, reputable rocker I simply multiply by rocker ratio. 

With such tiny changes the valve clearance may have been tight, having lift all over the shop does not create performance!

Or the recent rocker change may have had discrepancies. Bad for the engine builder and the rocker manufacturer. Which I am sure is premium!

The whole thing is b/s and Stupidcars and CAMS should know that.

BUT I asked someone in the know who was at Sandown and it seems noone was checked after qualifying. And probably not after the race either.

 

This is the third year it is pick on Penske. It is NOT racing or even entertainment either. 

And ofcourse Ford is not allowed to win. Nothing has changed though 30 years ago it was made harder for Holden to win.Some of which was self inflicted.

Attract manufacturers? They run and hide. Only 888 are allowed to win a stupidly expensive parts race. 

Like or loather Boost Mobile owner but he is right with so many parts squillion dollars where a $500 item will do the job.

But they have lost GRM. And very soon others as well.