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Poll: Hamilton Albon Brazil 2019 (268 member(s) have cast votes)

What was up with that?

  1. That was on Lewis (160 votes [59.70%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 59.70%

  2. Albon’s actions caused that (16 votes [5.97%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 5.97%

  3. Racing incident (88 votes [32.84%] - View)

    Percentage of vote: 32.84%

  4. Other/don’t know (4 votes [1.49%] - View)

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#51 Clrnc

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:11

Albon "left a gap" because he was taking the normal racing line. Hamilton locked up, and hit him. It's a penalty for Hamilton, but a self-induced podium lost for Albon.

Finally someone got it. 



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#52 Disgrace

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:12

If you no longer go for a gap which exists you are no longer a racing driver”

 

Someone said that once.

 

With this quote, are you implying Hamilton deliberately had Albon off?



#53 Marklar

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:12

I'll wait for more than one perspective before comitting to Hamilton being at fault entirely or not, and whether this warrants a penalty. But looking forward to Sainz getting his trophy on the ****ing plane  :mad:



#54 messy

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:12

Hamilton will and should get a penalty, he clumsily took another driver out. I think it’s a great shame Sainz doesn’t get to stand on the podium because he’s been waiting so long for one and will clearly get credited with it. 



#55 Darnswim

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:12

Lewis's fault. 100%. Whoever says otherwise should start watching cycling or something because F1 is clearly too fast paced for them.

#56 TomNokoe

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:13

Hamilton would've stormed pass with DRS. It was a desperate move. Feel for Alex.

#57 Muz Bee

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:13

Michael M does it again - procrastinate, podium, confusion. Race fans deserve better. And that’s before we even analyse the Bottas safety car and how long it took and how short the second SC took in relation. Again disappointed in the stewards.

#58 Myrvold

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:13

Albon "left a gap" because he was taking the normal racing line. Hamilton locked up, and hit him. It's a penalty for Hamilton, but a self-induced podium lost for Albon.

 

This is my initial feeling as well. But as F1TV shuts down the coverage early, I have to wait for someone to provide SkySports post-race footage before actually being able to watch it closely.

Albon messed up by letting Hamilton have the chance, but Hamilton didn't take the chance, but took Albon instead.



#59 GoldenColt

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:15

Lewis is to blame for this. Should be penalized.



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#60 Sunnny

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:15

Lets see the video again. Most only watched 3 seconds of it. I'd like to see the video from Lewis cam view. 



#61 MinardiCrashDummy

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:17

Watching the move again Hamilton was on the curb on the inside so he didn't run into Albion, the question is whether he should have gone for it or not.



#62 Scotracer

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:17

It's a really tough corner to both defend and attack. Hugely late apex.

#63 DanardiF1

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:18

I think Albon was a little bit naive there, he left the door open, drivers with more experience would know that whilst his line was the more typical racing line, it is possible to take a different line as well.



#64 SonGoku

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:18

It is what it is, I guess +5 seconds.

#65 SenorSjon

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:18

Funny he wasn't kicked off the podium. That was at least 5s and perhaps 10. He would end up alongside Albon.

#66 restless

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:20

Hamilton made "a Kvyat"



#67 cheekybru

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:20

D Hill and PDR both saying racing incident for what it's worth

#68 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:22

I'd say Albon left the door open, but it was still an unnecessary, borderline careless move. So I'd understand if Lewis gets penalised.

easy to say in hindsight. He wanted to go after Max



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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:24

Hamilton would've stormed pass with DRS. It was a desperate move. Feel for Alex.


There was no DRS..

#70 MJB5990

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:24

With the way Lewis is apologising and the way Albon is so laid back, this could be the most British thing ever in the stewards room.

#71 SophieB

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:25

Yeah, I don’t think I’ve ever seen an incident where both drivers are kind of going ‘I could have done better there’



#72 Francesc

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:26

Hamilton's fault, he admitted it and it's clear to see except for the Stewards cowards.



#73 MinardiCrashDummy

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:26

Both drivers kinda taking responsibility, not heard that in a while :p



#74 goldenboy

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:27

Racing incident for me. Feel bad for Albon though.

#75 GAZF1nut

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:27

Is it even under investigation? Sainz getting the podium 3 hours later would be wrong 



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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:27

With the way Lewis is apologising and the way Albon is so laid back, this could be the most British thing ever in the stewards room.

 

I must apologise for you standing on my foot old chap :kiss:



#77 ExEd

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:27

Obvious mistake besides Lewis took all the blame (and rightfully),i think there is no issue here.

Imho it should be a penalty



#78 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:27

Both drivers kinda taking responsibility, not heard that in a while :p

true definition of a racing incident...:)



#79 TomNokoe

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:27

There was no DRS..


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#80 restless

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:27

D Hill and PDR both saying racing incident for what it's worth

Yea, yea, if that was Kvyat, he would receive 10sec + 2penalty points. At least. And crucified in media

Waiting to see what stewards will decide ...



#81 MinardiCrashDummy

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:28

Hamilton's fault, he admitted it and it's clear to see except for the Stewards

 

Albion sharing some of the blame aswell.

 

Racing incident.



#82 CSF

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:28

If you no longer go for a gap which exists you are no longer a racing driver”

 

Someone said that once.

 

 

Perhaps the stupidest quote in motorsport history from someone that couldn't handle losing. 



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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:28

With the way Lewis is apologising and the way Albon is so laid back, this could be the most British thing ever in the stewards room.

 

 

Albon knows that he's got bigger problems if he cannot put himself into a podium position ever again....So this loss is quite small in the grand scheme. 



#84 jannyg

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:28

Hamilton fault but Albon went very deep.

No penalty, Hamilton literally stopped for a good while and Gasly went through

#85 squarewun

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:28

Let's see a replay first.

#86 CharlesWinstone

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:29

Why not a penalty right away? Lewis his **** up was clear. Sainz should be on the podium.

#87 goldenboy

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:30

Yea, yea, if that was Kvyat, he would receive 10sec + 2penalty points. At least. And crucified in media
Waiting to see what stewards will decide ...

Exvept kyvats moves were far more boneheaded.

#88 OO7

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:30

Perhaps the stupidest quote in motorsport history from someone that couldn't handle losing. 

I don't think Ayrton meant a driver should throw all judgement out of the window with that statement.



#89 OneAndOnly

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:30

It wasn’t such big mistake from Lewis either, although I cannot argue him when he says it was his fault. Only reason for penalty is because he destroyed Albon’s race.

#90 Peat

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:30

Too many angles to get a clear picture from the current replays. It's a curved braking zone.
 

In the moment, I though Albon was actually letting Lewis past because he was almost anti-defending.

 

EDIT: Having seen the onboard. If Lewis get's a penalty, it won't be undeserved. I still think Albon should have covered it .


Edited by Peat, 17 November 2019 - 19:35.


#91 JeePee

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:31

Just saw the replay. 100% on Lewis. Overtake wasn't on. FIA stole Sainz first podium.

Edited by JeePee, 17 November 2019 - 19:32.


#92 restless

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:31

Exvept kyvats moves were far more boneheaded.

The only difference - Hamilton is british , 6 time WC.



#93 Marklar

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:32

Hamilton onboard

https://streamable.com/t6v46


Albon onboard

https://streamable.com/sz3q5


Looks like Hamilton is too far away to make the move IMO

Though, funny that both admit fault to some extent lol



#94 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:33

Just saw the replay. 100% on Lewis. Overtake wasn't on. FIA stole Sainz first podium.

I think Albon is part of the conspiracy against Sainz. He seemed to want to help the cover up and wrongly admitted part of the blame!



#95 DanardiF1

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:33

Too many angles to get a clear picture from the current replays. It's a curved braking zone.
 

In the moment, I though Albon was actually letting Lewis past because he was almost anti-defending.

 

Same, as typically if you're defending that corner you take the line that Lewis took and hope the other guy doesn't have enough grip to hold it round the outside...



#96 SophieB

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:33

“I had some gap to Lewis and I thought ‘okay, we’re okay where we are’ and I felt like ‘I’ll go in a little bit hot just cover him so he doesn’t get any ideas.’ And of course you SEE It, you see the crossing but once you dive there’s a blind spot and you don’t know how far alongside you he is... I thought okay he’s far back enough, yeah I’ll give him some space but.. I did expect* it..”

 

 

*he may have said ‘didn’t expect’, I couldn’t tell.



#97 GAZF1nut

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:33

If Hamilton was that much quicker, why not wait until the main straight to get him? Boggles the mind



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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:33

I don't think Ayrton meant a driver should throw all judgement out of the window with that statement.

 

Did he not utter that statement while defending Japan 90?



#99 SonGoku

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:34

If Hamilton was that much quicker, why not wait until the main straight to get him? Boggles the mind

 


He wasn't, just check the straight vs Gasly.

Edited by SonGoku, 17 November 2019 - 19:34.


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#100 DanardiF1

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Posted 17 November 2019 - 19:34

Hamilton onboard

https://streamable.com/t6v46


Albon onboard

https://streamable.com/sz3q5


Looks like Hamilton is too far away to make the move IMO

Though, funny that both admit fault to some extent lol

 

It looks far initially but I think by the time both reach the apex both cars are under control and could have gone side by side... I think its just a racing incident overall, no real blame