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[Jim Thurman]

Who the hell is Steve Kinser?

 

And you call yourself a NASCAR fan! 

 

(and yes, I realize it's before you started following NASCAR, and his NASCAR drive only lasted five races, but, still...)

[Jim Thurman]

How could be ' The Greatest Spectacle in Racing' without the best drivers in the world?

 

The "Best drivers in the world" are not contained in any one series, no matter what the PR departments or series fanatics say.

[FLB]

The "Best drivers in the world" are not contained in any one series, no matter what the PR departments or series fanatics say.

[Tsarwash]

The "Best drivers in the world" are not contained in any one series, no matter what the PR departments or series fanatics say.

You would imagine that the driver racing in various series are in general the best ones for that particular skill. There is simply no way that Lewis Hamilton would be able to step into a Nascar truck and beat the pants off the guys who have been doing it for twenty years, and vice versa. 

[jonpollak]

. Between race cars and loud music I'm surprised my hearing remains pretty darn good.

I heard that.....Just.
Jp

[Westcoustskt]

Indy 500 on the F1 calender Is a good idea, but it requires a change of date for Monacos GP.

Edited by Westcoustskt, 01 December 2019 - 21:49.

[ThadGreen]

Not sure if this has been mentioned but wouldn't Roger Penske have to pony up $25 million to host an F1 race at Indy? Can anyone see him doing that? And if he did then F1 would have exclusive TV/broadcast rights, no? Not sure how that would sit with whoever currently has the TV rights for the Indy 500. 

[Beri]

Not sure if this has been mentioned but wouldn't Roger Penske have to pony up $25 million to host an F1 race at Indy? Can anyone see him doing that? And if he did then F1 would have exclusive TV/broadcast rights, no? Not sure how that would sit with whoever currently has the TV rights for the Indy 500.

I guess that won't be an issue for sure? It are separate events.

[Branislav]

The "Best drivers in the world" are not contained in any one series, no matter what the PR departments or series fanatics say.

We are talking about the best drivers of open wheel racing. Not of stock cars, rally cars, drag race cars, touring cars etc.

[BRG]

Not sure if this has been mentioned but wouldn't Roger Penske have to pony up $25 million to host an F1 race at Indy?

 

Everyone knows that Liberty have been trying to get a Miami GP by offering a zero hosting fee (or even in some reports actually paying them) so I think Penske would have a pretty strong hand to play in any negotiations.  Especially as the current Miami proposal still looks highly questionable.

[AustinF1]

Miami is a profit sharing deal.

[jonpollak]

Miami is a schit track that does not do the series any favors.
Jp

[RA2]

A hero for a number of US racing fans who care about oval racing only, preferrably the dirttracks that for a long time were the most numerous US racing venues and the feeder series for AAA and USAC champ car racing up til, say roughly the late 70s.

We're talking sprint cars, WorldOfOutlaws etc.

 

The Kinser family were legends at the unpaved ovals but few or them made it into Indycars and/or Indy. Sheldon Kinser was one who made a few starts in le thalte 70's and early '80. Steve qualified only one single time in the IRL era.

 

Steve was one of those drivers Tony George had in mind when he crated the IRL:  opening the Indy 500 up for the dirt track drivers the USA still had .

 

I think some of ourUS friends can fill us in even better about Steve's achievements. I must admit that this kind of racing never appealed to me due to the high fatality rate of the past and the cars not appealing to me. But when you get into early Indy 500 history, you are getting to deal with dirt track racing

 

 

What does happen if a WRC car takes on a sprint car? will the WRC keep up?

[loki]

We are talking about the best drivers of open wheel racing. Not of stock cars, rally cars, drag race cars, touring cars etc.

Sprint cars are open wheel as are midgets and modifieds.  What you really mean when you say that is they are drivers that came up through the Brit/euro formula style feeder system.  For most of those guys it’s the car that makes them shine more than the racecraft.  There are a few Alonsos and Hamiltons but most are good drivers, not so much better than many others given the same equipment.

[Henri Greuter]

What does happen if a WRC car takes on a sprint car? will the WRC keep up?

In all honesty, I am not 100% certain.

Primarily because I haven't followed the development of sprint car tachnology, especially chassiswise. In the past they were always rather simple yet very sturdy, if that is still the case I don't know.

There are two certainties: The Sprint car will be way more powerful, close to 900HP and much lighter, some 650 kg or therabout.
A WRC car is 1230kg and has some 340 hp and 4WD


In theory the WRC stands no chance but I am a believer in Hi-tech making up of brute power. The current WRCs are much faster than the once so feared Gp B's were.
So I think that each, on their home ground will beat the others, (Sprinters beating WRC on dirt ovals, WRC beat Spritner on special stage) but I have the feeling that a Sprinter will beat the WRC car less convincingly on the oval than the WRC will bear a Sprinter on a special stage.

Edited by Henri Greuter, 03 December 2019 - 08:55.

[Branislav]

Sprint cars are open wheel as are midgets and modifieds. 

Man... you talking of dirt racing.

[B Squared]

Man... you talking of dirt racing.

Not always, they race on pavement too.

[Henri Greuter]

Man... you talking of dirt racing.

 
 

Not always, they race on pavement too.

Oh yeah I forgot about that one!

Now you mention it,
I recall having seen the Silver Crowns Series in jan. '99 at the Mickyard at Orlando as side event to the IRL race of that year.
Not much since the cars didn't appeal to me and were so loud that I didn't remain in the grandstand for long.

Recall that Dan Drinnan crashed heavily and reputedly was severely burned in the resulting fire. Put quite a downer on the weekend.
That was the very same Dan Drinnan wo crashed the Loophole '91 Lola-Buick in the '96 Indy 500 practice. Very brave guy that Dan Drinnan.

Edited by Henri Greuter, 03 December 2019 - 11:14.

[RA2]

In all honesty, I am not 100% certain.

Primarily because I haven't followed the development of sprint car tachnology, especially chassiswise. In the past they were always rather simple yet very sturdy, if that is still the case I don't know.

There are two certainties: The Sprint car will be way more powerful, close to 900HP and much lighter, some 650 kg or therabout.
A WRC car is 1230kg and has some 340 hp and 4WD


In theory the WRC stands no chance but I am a believer in Hi-tech making up of brute power. The current WRCs are much faster than the once so feared Gp B's were.
So I think that each, on their home ground will beat the others, (Sprinters beating WRC on dirt ovals, WRC beat Spritner on special stage) but I have the feeling that a Sprinter will beat the WRC car less convincingly on the oval than the WRC will bear a Sprinter on a special stage.

 

I think WRC will loose, but the new electric rally cross should beat the sprint car easily

 

Edited by RA2, 03 December 2019 - 13:01.

[Jim Thurman]

Recall that Dan Drinnan crashed heavily and reputedly was severely burned in the resulting fire. Put quite a downer on the weekend.
That was the very same Dan Drinnan wo crashed the Loophole '91 Lola-Buick in the '96 Indy 500 practice. Very brave guy that Dan Drinnan.

 

A quick correction Henri, while Dan Drinan did suffer a couple of very bad accidents, he only suffered minor burns in the Silver Crown accident at WDW Speedway. It's for another thread, but perhaps some of your beliefs/ideas about U.S. dirt track and short oval racing has been skewed by some of these exaggerations (that some so love to add, like at one forum and YouTube, etc.!).

[Risil]

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