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#51 rodlamas

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Posted 04 December 2019 - 08:59

I guess that by the end of this week teams have to submit their Melbourne tire choices.

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#52 Marklar

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Posted 04 December 2019 - 09:19

I don;'t think Romain's comments must be taken seriously. I mean this dude whines at every damn thing.

Okay, what about Giovinazzi?

Phillip Horton
Giovinazzi has only tried C3s so far but says 2020 spec slower and has more deg. "Not one positive thing so far." Will try other compounds this afternoon

And Bottas?

 

It remains to be seen how other drivers take it but Mercedes’ Valtteri Bottas spoke through social media and showed displeasure on the tyres as well. “Just the tyres were tested,” he said. “I had to say it felt that nothing better would have been found from these new tyres.
“I got the impression they were even a little bit slower compared to the old ones. They behaved in the same way.”

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Edited by Marklar, 04 December 2019 - 09:23.


#53 Perfection

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Posted 04 December 2019 - 09:42

Nobody is pleased so far it seems



#54 Heyli

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Posted 04 December 2019 - 09:57

Does it necessarily mean that the racing will be worse though? A bit slower and higher Deg is not by definition bad, is it?

 

I can imagine that the drivers will complain about the speed when they start testing the 2021 cars as well... :)



#55 Grayson

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Posted 04 December 2019 - 10:10

don't get why Nissany is wasting money on testing an F1 car when he will never race in one


Is it 2005?

#56 ANF

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Posted 04 December 2019 - 10:13

Remember, since 2011 Pirelli have simply done what they were asked to do. :cat:

#57 Yoshi

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Posted 04 December 2019 - 10:19

So I assume they will go with the 2019 tyres into the next season  :stoned:  but no surprise if that will be the case...  


Edited by Yoshi, 04 December 2019 - 10:20.


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Posted 04 December 2019 - 10:24

Is there any coverage?

#59 Clatter

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Posted 04 December 2019 - 10:41

I guess that by the end of this week teams have to submit their Melbourne tire choices.

 


Because of the changes Pirelli might make the decision for the first few races. I think that's what has happened in the past.

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#60 dissident

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Posted 04 December 2019 - 10:57

The tyres being slower wouldn't be a problem, but if they are slower and as fragile as now...



#61 noikeee

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Posted 04 December 2019 - 11:10

The tyres being slower wouldn't be a problem, but if they are slower and as fragile as now...


I don't even have a problem if they degrade more than the current tyres... Provided that they aren't any more sensitive to driving style. Because that's the really crucial magic detail nobody talks about tyres.. It doesn't only matter how fast or slow they are, how soft or hard they are, its how sensitive they are that makes the difference. And although it's related, that's not the same thing as hardness/softness.

Imagine two tyre compounds. Compound A lasts for 30 laps if you drive it slightly off the limit. If you drive it on the absolute edge (without locking them up) they last for 20 laps. Compound B also lasts for 30 laps if you drive it off the limit (so they're exactly as soft/hard as compound A)... But if you drive it on the edge they get toast within 5 laps. There's been too much compound B and too little compound A in F1 in the Pirelli era.

#62 Marklar

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Posted 04 December 2019 - 11:11

Ironically they are supposed to have less deg  :p



#63 Anderis

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Posted 04 December 2019 - 11:16

don't get why Nissany is wasting money on testing an F1 car when he will never race in one (well probably goes for Gelael too)

Because it feels good to drive an F1 car?

 

There are many ways in which rich people "waste" their money. How is that any different to other types of expensive entertainment/hobbies these people enjoy.


Edited by Anderis, 04 December 2019 - 11:17.


#64 sgtkate

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Posted 04 December 2019 - 11:17

I don't even have a problem if they degrade more than the current tyres... Provided that they aren't any more sensitive to driving style. Because that's the really crucial magic detail nobody talks about tyres.. It doesn't only matter how fast or slow they are, how soft or hard they are, its how sensitive they are that makes the difference. And although it's related, that's not the same thing as hardness/softness.

Imagine two tyre compounds. Compound A lasts for 30 laps if you drive it slightly off the limit. If you drive it on the absolute edge (without locking them up) they last for 20 laps. Compound B also lasts for 30 laps if you drive it off the limit (so they're exactly as soft/hard as compound A)... But if you drive it on the edge they get toast within 5 laps. There's been too much compound B and too little compound A in F1 in the Pirelli era.

This. It's the tyre management the drivers have to do that is the real race killer for me. Get rid of that whilst still having similar tyre degradation to what we have now and the lap times can be whatever they are. Lap times are a long way down my list of things I care about in F1.



#65 Danyy

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Posted 04 December 2019 - 12:30

Russell and Leclerc were trading fastest times. Russell came out on top and Leclerc well.. in the barriers.

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#66 ensign14

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Posted 04 December 2019 - 12:32

Interesting thing about Nissany testing is that he's of Israeli heritage, in a hardcore Islam country...



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Posted 04 December 2019 - 12:37

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#68 Nobody

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Posted 04 December 2019 - 12:43

Interesting thing about Nissany testing is that he's of Israeli heritage, in a hardcore Islam country...


UAE - oil is the dominant religion

#69 Marklar

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Posted 04 December 2019 - 14:20

As the #AbuDhabiTest is coming to an end, the question mark still remains if the 2020 tyres will be used in 2020 or not. @pirellisport's @Mario_Isola didn't seem too confident with the decision due next week. Story to follow after session. #F1 #F1Testing

Edited by Marklar, 04 December 2019 - 14:20.


#70 Rinehart

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Posted 04 December 2019 - 14:29

Do you know the fuel loads? Engine modes? It is fu*king testing!

I was hoping to not have to read that line until February! 



#71 Yoshi

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Posted 04 December 2019 - 14:39

 

As the #AbuDhabiTest is coming to an end, the question mark still remains if the 2020 tyres will be used in 2020 or not. @pirellisport's @Mario_Isola didn't seem too confident with the decision due next week. Story to follow after session. #F1 #F1Testing

 

 

No surprise here   :smoking:



#72 Tiakumosan

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Posted 04 December 2019 - 15:02

Didn't some teams wanted to drop the 19 tyres in favor of 18 tyres this year?

#73 OneAndOnly

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Posted 04 December 2019 - 15:31

I’d like if someone could count words “tire” and “pirelli” on this forum. I think they are mentioned more than most drivers/teams each.

#74 Danyy

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Posted 04 December 2019 - 15:36

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Posted 04 December 2019 - 15:41

I'm sure George will be pleased with his time relative to Bottas though not so against Latifi in the Williams.



#76 sgtkate

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Posted 04 December 2019 - 16:03

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How often has 1 driver driven for 2 teams at a testing event? At least we get a 'valid' reference now for:

a) how good Russell is - appears overhyped (I'm trolling! Kinda)

b) how poor the Williams was - extremely



#77 Lerdes

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Posted 04 December 2019 - 16:17

I hope George Russel will get a good chance in a strong team. He was the winner of the 2018 Formula Two Season and ended in the weakest Formula One car by far. It's a strange world...



#78 mangeliiito

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Posted 04 December 2019 - 18:32

How in the world have Pirelli managed to make the tyres worse? :lol:

#79 Pete_f1

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Posted 04 December 2019 - 18:32

Is it 2005?


I was about to post about this, that's a name from the past!

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#80 ANF

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Posted 04 December 2019 - 19:23

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Exit of T1?

#81 Danyy

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Posted 04 December 2019 - 19:27

Exit of T1?


Between T12 and T13.

#82 Marklar

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Posted 04 December 2019 - 21:38

Christian Menath from Motorsport-Magazin (Germany) said that many believe that Pirelli mandated lower tyre pressures for the 2020 tyres than the 2019 tyres in order to lure teams into deciding for the 2020 tyre.

Only Grosjean and Ocon talked, Grosjean was critical; Ocon avoided the tyre topic entirely.

So he asked engineers and they say that the tyres have similar issues as the 2019 tyres (overheating, etc.), but that they are on top of it much slower (some say up to a second), though he thinks that it's maybe down to them having more experience with the 2019 tyres, so that they could be naturally biased.

He thinks that the lack of media sessions is down to political reasons: If a driver says that the tyre is good and then the team discovers that the tyre isnt to the teams liking it would look odd if they vote against it.

After today

Isola said that they received mixed feedback, the journos found that weird because they only heard negative feedback, so they asked what the positive feedback was. According to Isola the C5 tyre received good feedback, while the C4 disappointed a lot.

The suggestion to mix up both compounds (e.g. take 2020 C5 and 2019 C4 contruction) was declined by Pirelli.

Decision will be made by next monday since that's the deadline for Melbourne and Bahrain. The 2020 tyres are 4 mm wider than the 2019 ones, and the tyres are actually closer to the ones they used in the Spielberg test in July (remember that this one was before they decided to change the compounds lol) than the one they used in Barcelona in October.



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Posted 04 December 2019 - 22:20

How in the world have Pirelli managed to make the tyres worse? :lol:


It is pirelli, they have mostly been a shambles for years.

#84 pRy

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Posted 04 December 2019 - 23:10

Lando streamed some pitlane action to his Twitch channel :

 

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/516916133



#85 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 04 December 2019 - 23:21

It is pirelli, they have mostly been a shambles for years.

what is exactly wrong with them? 



#86 ARTGP

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Posted 05 December 2019 - 03:39

ffs just bring back Michelin and be done with it.

#87 Baddoer

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Posted 05 December 2019 - 05:45

How in the world have Pirelli managed to make the tyres worse? :lol:

Exactly like every year before (with the exception of 2012)



#88 mangeliiito

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Posted 05 December 2019 - 06:03

Exactly like every year before (with the exception of 2012)

Yes now they are even allowed to make better tyres. Amazing.

#89 Pimpwerx

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Posted 05 December 2019 - 12:47

what is exactly wrong with them? 

Depends on how your favorite team has performed with them. That's been the overriding criteria, really. Pirelli is fine. Tires aren't delaminating or sprouting weird punctures. We've gotten some interesting strategic decisions this season, based on the tires. They seem like the least of the concerns this season. Drivers have been able to push late in stints this season, so it looks like the major technological hurdle to improve the racing will be getting dirty air under control.



#90 Marklar

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Posted 05 December 2019 - 12:48

Exactly like every year before (with the exception of 2012)

2012 were the worst, you just need to give everyone different tyres to achieve the same as there.

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Posted 05 December 2019 - 12:50

what is exactly wrong with them? 

 

What not?

 

2012 were the worst, you just need to give everyone different tyres to achieve the same as there.

 

Perhaps roll a dice for tire pressures. :)


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#92 Baddoer

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 12:13

Here we go: 2019 tires in 2020

What a yoke!



#93 rodlamas

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 12:25

Here we go: 2019 tires in 2020

What a yoke!

So, same regulations, same tires, 80% of the teams with the same line-up and 90% of the drivers start 2020 where they left 2019. We all know the WDC & WCC standings already.



#94 Kalmake

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 12:29

There were races with all compounds used and two stopping. 2019 tyres weren't bad for Pirellis.



#95 Marklar

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 12:32

yeah, the 2019 tyres were actually much better race tyres tgan the 2018 ones. the qualifying was the problem though

#96 Astandahl

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 12:52

Pirelli the worst supplier of all time.

 

Also why in the blue hell the tyres test is so late? A tyre change for next year would have a huge impact in the car development process which usually stars around June/July.



#97 Marklar

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 13:03

Pirelli the worst supplier of all time.

 

Also why in the blue hell the tyres test is so late? A tyre change for next year would have a huge impact in the car development process which usually stars around June/July.

That's on the teams. Pirelli was testing different tyres until july, then the teams demanded something else because it didnt suit them, so only one test (in October in Barcelona) was left before creating the final product



#98 Francesc

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 13:19

What a waste of money. And then they keep adding stupid rules for costs saving.

#99 SonGoku

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 13:22

Lewis absolutely hated them, I remember.

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#100 Jovanotti

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 13:49

How is it possible that one of the biggest tyre manufacturers seems to have absolutely no clue whatsoever??