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#101 dissident

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 14:12

Good news, less tyre chat next year.



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#102 maximilian

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 14:29

Because it feels good to drive an F1 car?

 

There are many ways in which rich people "waste" their money. How is that any different to other types of expensive entertainment/hobbies these people enjoy.

 

Unfortunately, it may be much more than that.  Motorsport Total reports that Nissany may well be announced as Williams' third driver...  :o

 

https://www.motorspo...r-2020-19120909



#103 noikeee

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 14:34

Usually I give Pirelli the benefit of the doubt, but when every team unanimously votes against using their new tyres, it's pretty hard to defend them. The only logical conclusion is the 2020 tyres were a pile of crap.



#104 ANF

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 15:11

Good news, less tyre chat next year.

The calm before 2021...

#105 Danyy

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 15:33

Pirelli comes out with a tyre
Nobody likes the tyre
*surprised pikachu face*

#106 F1Gui

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 15:53

The calm before 2021...


If Pirelli can make decent 18" road tyres then there's no excuses for 2021. Having said that I hope it is their last contract and Goodyear/Michelin/Bridgestone go all in at the next tender.

#107 Sterzo

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 15:58

Usually I give Pirelli the benefit of the doubt, but when every team unanimously votes against using their new tyres, it's pretty hard to defend them. The only logical conclusion is the 2020 tyres were a pile of crap.

No, not at all, that substance would be better at maintaining temperature and would stick to the road too.



#108 CoolBreeze

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 16:27

Usually I give Pirelli the benefit of the doubt, but when every team unanimously votes against using their new tyres, it's pretty hard to defend them. The only logical conclusion is the 2020  Pirelli tyres were a pile of crap.

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#109 PayasYouRace

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 16:36

I feel for Pirelli. The last time they've actually attempted to build the best possible F1 tyres was 1991. Since their return they've been given a horrendous brief of making tyres that wear, but not too much, and that aren't too fast or too slow all in the name of spicing up the racing. Yet all they get is hate for producing tyres that are crap, like they're being asked to do, but just not the right kind of crap for people.



#110 MikeV1987

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 16:39

I got no sympathy for Pirelli

#111 BRG

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 17:09

Good news, less tyre chat next year.

If only that were true!  God, tyres are so boring.

 

 

(Nice avatar btw, we need more rally cars!)



#112 Jovanotti

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 20:46

I feel for Pirelli. The last time they've actually attempted to build the best possible F1 tyres was 1991. Since their return they've been given a horrendous brief of making tyres that wear, but not too much, and that aren't too fast or too slow all in the name of spicing up the racing. Yet all they get is hate for producing tyres that are crap, like they're being asked to do, but just not the right kind of crap for people.

I refuse to believe this is the best one of the biggest tyre manufacturers in the world can come up with, even considering the criteria they were given.

#113 Danyy

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 23:01

I feel for Pirelli. The last time they've actually attempted to build the best possible F1 tyres was 1991. Since their return they've been given a horrendous brief of making tyres that wear, but not too much, and that aren't too fast or too slow all in the name of spicing up the racing. Yet all they get is hate for producing tyres that are crap, like they're being asked to do, but just not the right kind of crap for people.


If Pirelli were a bicycle tyre maker and they were tasked with making F1 tyres then I’d feel bad but they are not so I don’t. I never felt bad for Michelin or Bridgestone because they could do a good job. Maybe it’s time for someone else to try if Pirelli can’t handle it.

#114 Marklar

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 23:14

If Pirelli were a bicycle tyre maker and they were tasked with making F1 tyres then I’d feel bad but they are not so I don’t. I never felt bad for Michelin or Bridgestone because they could do a good job. Maybe it’s time for someone else to try if Pirelli can’t handle it.

Bridgestone and Michelin werent tasked to do something specific. Their job was it to just maximize performance from the cars they were supplying, supoorted by the teams, it's an entirely different ballpark to just try to find the best performance for specific cars compared to being tasked to cause a very specific behavior for all cars, especially the way the teams change their minds.

Whether Michelin or Bridgestone would do better is very questionable.

Memories are short. Michelin pulled a much bigger failure than Pirelli ever did after just one simple rule change.

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#115 Danyy

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 23:32

Bridgestone and Michelin werent tasked to do something specific. Their job was it to just maximize performance from the cars they were supplying, supoorted by the teams, it's an entirely different ballpark to just try to find the best performance for specific cars compared to being tasked to cause a very specific behavior for all cars, especially the way the teams change their minds.
Whether Michelin or Bridgestone would do better is very questionable.
Memories are short. Michelin pulled a much bigger failure than Pirelli ever did after just one simple rule change.


Are you talking about Indianapolis? I don’t think one race can count as “much bigger” than exploding tyres at multiple races in Pirelli’s case. I remember it all, and neither Michelin or Bridgestone had as many failures as Pirelli’s combined. But it’s interesting you think because Pirelli has to supply the whole grid as some monumental task. Bridgestone did it already with no problems and I’m sure they could manage to make the tyres a little less durable than they were while still being able to not over heat while following another car which is all Pirelli has been tasked to do.

#116 Myrvold

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 23:40

Unfortunately, it may be much more than that.  Motorsport Total reports that Nissany may well be announced as Williams' third driver...  :o

 

https://www.motorspo...r-2020-19120909

 

But without a SL we won't see him replace any of the drivers, so if Williams needs a replacement they have too look elsewhere. It's basically more money. Don't see the issue in that.