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#151 Marklar

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Posted 09 December 2019 - 14:55

A slightly different twist: had Rosberg stayed at Mercedes in 2017 and had a better start to the year (even by good luck), such that it looked like he would win again, I think Lewis would have imploded. I think seeing Vettel going from being just one amongst many in mid-late 2010 to suddenly having a lock on his second WDC by early-mid 2011 is what caused his impulsive behaviour at that time, including the visit to the Red Bull garage.

It's amazing how many people still believe that he is mentally still at the same place as in 2011.

By your little theory wouldnt he have "imploded" when Vettel looked to run away with the title in 2017 during the mid-season? Or when he was in 2018 on the backfoot after it looked like Ferrari gained a huge advantage?

Hint: It was not him who imploded.

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#152 Collective

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Posted 09 December 2019 - 14:55

I don't think so.

 

HAM would have probably won in 2017 and 2018.  If there is anything we learned from 2019 it's that HAM picks up points and wins when he isn't expected to do so.  I'd bet serious money that HAM in the Fez would have won against ROS.

 

That's what impressed me the most of Lewis in the last couple of seasons. When Mercedes was not the best he would somehow win or get the next best possible result. Whereas Ferrari and Vettel last year did the exact opposite.



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Posted 09 December 2019 - 15:02

Hamilton was very fragile in his early career (perhaps with the exception of 2007?). 

 

Since 2012 he looked to have raised his game a lot mentally imo. Already in 2013, when Rosberg at times seemed to have pace on him, he stayed a lot calmer then he was in 08-11. 

 

Like I said a few times before, now that Lewis is a more complete package, more stable, more points scoring machine, I personally find that he's less attractive to watch. 

 

I loved the 2007-2012 Hamilton. He was a beast, taking no prisoners and sometimes risking a bit too much. Perhaps not too different from Verstappen. The finished Hamilton product is undoubtedly better, but more predictable and a little bit less exciting. 

 

In that sense I'm surprised that his fanbase stayed the same more or less ;).



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Posted 09 December 2019 - 15:04

Well, let's try to put things together

 

1. Hamilton - 5 out of 10 titles, being beaten only to what would have made it 6 titles in a row due to multiple engine failures in 2016.

2. Vettel - 4 out of 10 titles, there can't be another 2nd place.

3. Rosberg - 1 out of 10 titles, the only other to win a WDC in a decade, beat Hamilton and Michael Schumacher.

4. Alonso - almost got 2 titles on sh*t cars. Tons of wins and beautiful races

 

Let's now head to people who won races in the decade

Button & Verstappen won 8 races each

Bottas, Ricciardo & Webber 7 races each

Leclerc won 2 races

The only other win went to Pastor Maldonado

 

We can add Perez to that list because he scored multiple podiums

 

So I would say

 

1. Hamilton

2. Vettel

3. Rosberg

4. Alonso

5. Verstappen

6. Ricciardo

7. Bottas

8. Button

9. Webber

10. Leclerc

 

Special mention to Perez



#155 Celloman

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Posted 09 December 2019 - 15:13

Yeah but most of Kimi decent seasons came having a strong car, see how he is doing in the midfield now, how different would he had fare had he stayed in Lotus or drove only midfield cars probably not even in the top 15 give any of the top tier midfield drivers a Ferrari or a 2013 Lotus and probably they could had done a better job or maybe not but we will never now.

People are quick to forget, but Kimi was consistently in the top 10 in driver rankings until the summer break this season. Even looking at the whole season, he scored 43 points versus team-mates 14, so by all accounts he is doing rather well for a 40 years old guy. Actually none of the midfield drivers managed to score significantly more points except for Sainz, who had a clear car advantage compared to Alfa.



#156 Dicun

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Posted 09 December 2019 - 15:48

That's nonsense.

Button was better than Hamilton in 2011, matched Alonso in 2015. Destroyed Perez & Magnussen. His only weak seasons were 2010, 2012 & 2016 and even those were much better than Kimi's weak seasons.

Rosberg beat Schumacher through 2010-2012, was as good as Hamilton in 2013 and then was much closer to Hamilton in the following seasons than Kimi ever was against Alonso or Vettel.

Huge difference imo.

 

This is the only bit I don't agree with. I don't think that Button's 2010 campaign was weak by any stretch of the imagination. He scored two brilliant wins during the first four races and after Valencia ( = 9th race, halfway point of the season) he was second in the standings with only six points behind Hamilton - after switching to a new team, driving a car that was not designed with him in mind. Sure, Lewis was clearly the better performer out of the two overall, but to call Button's 2010 a weak season seems really strange. I wouldn't even call it mediocre. It was a good season - not a brilliant one like 2011 or 2014 from him, but it was a solid effort indeed.


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Posted 09 December 2019 - 15:56

 

The only other win went to Pastor Maldonado

You forgot Kimi, he has won a few races this decade.



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Posted 09 December 2019 - 16:14

This is the only bit I don't agree with. I don't think that Button's 2010 campaign was weak by any stretch of the imagination. He scored two brilliant wins during the first four races and after Valencia ( = 9th race, halfway point of the season) he was second in the standings with only six points behind Hamilton - after switching to a new team, driving a car that was not designed with him in mind. Sure, Lewis was clearly the better performer out of the two overall, but to call Button's 2010 a weak season seems really strange. I wouldn't even call it mediocre. It was a good season - not a brilliant one like 2011 or 2014 from him, but it was a solid effort indeed.

Weak is perhaps a tad much, but he did lack speed that year, probably the most of any of his season during this decade, and his wins came under special circumstances. The good thing about his year was that he didnt made many errors, though. With weak I dont mean bad (as mentioned many of Kimi's season were much worse than this), but just weaker than his average performance.

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Posted 09 December 2019 - 16:34

I appreciate the effort of trying to remove completely the car from the equation, but most often the result is a mess.

What is interesting that a lot of Hamilton lovers find reasons to pull Seb down the list, but fail to do the same for Hamilton, who enjoyed superior car for most of this decade, and winning car for all of his career. And Hamilton did not really often pull large gaps to his teammates. So if we really removed car completely from the equation, we might have to place at least Alonso ahead of Hamilton, despite all of the winning that Hamilton has done.

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Posted 09 December 2019 - 17:05

It's amazing how many people still believe that he is mentally still at the same place as in 2011.

By your little theory wouldnt he have "imploded" when Vettel looked to run away with the title in 2017 during the mid-season? Or when he was in 2018 on the backfoot after it looked like Ferrari gained a huge advantage?

Hint: It was not him who imploded.

 

No, he is not now mentally in the same place as 2011. I am not talking about now. Hamilton is not likely to have such a meltdown again now, because of how much success he has had in the intervening time, achieving multiple additional world championships and guaranteeing his status. I think the last three seasons, beginning with 2017, will have been happy seasons for him as he was in the best car/team and unchallenged within his own team for the first time since Heikki. They cannot be compared to the scenario I brought up.

 

Nico niggled Lewis. At the end of 2017, it was going to be either 3-1 to Lewis or 2-2 in terms of championships. In the last race of 2016, Lewis damaged his relationship with the team by lying to them about what he planned to do in the race. This was swept away when Nico retired, as it suited everyone to forget about it. With Nico still there, the team atmosphere would have been daggers drawn and not comparable at all to a united team trying (successfully) to compete with Ferrari. 



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Posted 09 December 2019 - 17:09

What is interesting that a lot of Hamilton lovers find reasons to pull Seb down the list, but fail to do the same for Hamilton, who enjoyed superior car for most of this decade, and winning car for all of his career. And Hamilton did not really often pull large gaps to his teammates. So if we really removed car completely from the equation, we might have to place at least Alonso ahead of Hamilton, despite all of the winning that Hamilton has done.

 

Seb is down on the list because he is making between 3-5 bigger mistakes per season on average. 

 

Lewis simply doesn't make the same number of mistakes. 

 

Seb is fast, but prone to (big) mistakes. Lewis is fast and not mistake prone. Easy.

 

Secondly, both drivers did face tough team mates from time to time. Hamilton won when he faced tough team mates (Alonso, Button, Rosberg). Seb was nowhere in 2014 and got exposed again in 2019 when he faced an unfinished Leclerc (who only will get better). 



#162 MaGiK

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Posted 09 December 2019 - 17:36

1. HAM
2. VER
3. ALO
4. RIC
5. BUT
6. ROS
7. VET
8. LEC
9. BOT
10.KUB

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Posted 09 December 2019 - 17:53

1. Alonso: Demonstrated consistently high levels of performance throughout the decade. Great consistency. No particularly weak seasons. 

2. Hamilton: Similar to Alonso above, but had slightly under par seasons in 2011 and 2013. 

3. Verstappen: The only talent who has emerged during this decade that gives me the same feeling that i had with Alonso/Hamilton/Schumacher. He's had his weak periods (which Hamilton and Alonso had in the previous decade) but has shown great speed and racecraft. Wins races that he shouldn't. 

4. Vettel: Outstanding in 2011, 2013 and 2015. His other seasons have been hampered by lack of speed or too many mistakes. 

5. Rosberg: Beat an old Schumacher and despite being generally slower than Hamilton, was quick enough to be a nuissance to him and keep him honest (especially when things fell Nico's way). 

6. Button: Had some great highlights at Mclaren in the first half of the decade and was not completely blown away by Alonso in the 2nd half. 

7. Ricciardo: Blew Vettel away in 2014 and did ok against the super talented Verstappen. Can't say he stood out while at STR or Renault. 

8. Bottas: People forget that he looked very good at Williams. No match for Hamilton, but then not many are. 

9. Leclerc: Already shown a great deal in 2 season but must iron out mistakes. 

10. Perez: consistently doing well in the midfield, but failed in his break at a top team. 



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Posted 09 December 2019 - 18:12

Yeah but most of Kimi decent seasons came having a strong car, see how he is doing in the midfield now, how different would he had fare had he stayed in Lotus or drove only midfield cars probably not even in the top 15 give any of the top tier midfield drivers a Ferrari or a 2013 Lotus and probably they could had done a better job or maybe not but we will never now.

 


Isn’t thtat really the case for every driver in the top ten from this thread? The only one I see coming through on these lists that wasn’t in a top car is Perez.

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Posted 09 December 2019 - 23:56

It's amazing how many people still believe that he is mentally still at the same place as in 2011.

By your little theory wouldnt he have "imploded" when Vettel looked to run away with the title in 2017 during the mid-season? Or when he was in 2018 on the backfoot after it looked like Ferrari gained a huge advantage?

Hint: It was not him who imploded.


I think it's fair to say that Vettel's success rankled Hamilton back in 2011- in fact he said as much around the time of Monaco (a race until a few years back he always put too much importance on).

But implode... that's a stretch. Did he implode in his debut year, in 2010 when JB won two of the first four races, when Rosberg took an early lead in 2014, when Rosberg punted him in Spa that same year, when he took the flak for Spain 2016 (hint, won 6 of next 7 races), did what he had to do late 2016... imploding.. just doesn't happen. It was Rosberg who folded, even when he won out. Sure, he'll have a hissy now and again, but it was interesting to hear Rosberg state in one of his Sky appearances that it wasn't great to be against Hamilton when he was on the back foot, and not wise to piss him off. Oh yeah... Bottas 2.0. Admittedly the media and some fandom is waiting for this 'implosion', but it's a bit like thinking a miserable Hamilton = a poor performance. Being a miserable git gave him his only pole at Korea in 2010, and victory at Hungary 2013. And let's not forget how post quali at Germany in 2018 was the end of the world. People should learn, rather than be willingly fooled or go on to dream about 'what-if' scenarios which could only possibly be negative for Hamilton, without considering why things never actually materialised the way they would wish....

Edited by P123, 09 December 2019 - 23:58.


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Posted 10 December 2019 - 05:15

What is interesting that a lot of Hamilton lovers find reasons to pull Seb down the list, but fail to do the same for Hamilton, who enjoyed superior car for most of this decade, and winning car for all of his career. And Hamilton did not really often pull large gaps to his teammates. So if we really removed car completely from the equation, we might have to place at least Alonso ahead of Hamilton, despite all of the winning that Hamilton has done.

i suspect you are letting your fandom get in the way of critical thinking.

both hamilton and alonso performed at a ridiculously high level with astonishing consistency.

to put it simply vettel did not. He was fantastic at red bull (when the car suited him) and been quick at ferrari, but made an avalanche of beginner errors and has been outshone by ricciardo and lerclerc in teams that were set up around him.

its not a question of putting vettel down the list, its about judging who performed the best consistently over the decade and giving credit where it is due. Hamilton and alonso have been simply outstanding. vettel's record speaks for itself- superb in the best car that suited him, very good in a car that wasnt perfect.

i suspect that in decades to come, vettel will be seen as a statistical anomaly, a very good driver in the right car at the right time.

full credit to him for making the most of what he had  at red bull, but he wont be remembered as a great, regardless of his titles. whereas hamilton and alonso will be judged amongst the sennas, clarks, schumacher, prosts, fangios etc

for mine, vettel would struggle to be in the top 5 of the decade.


Edited by alainsfoot, 10 December 2019 - 05:28.


#167 Beri

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 06:36

Hamilton
Vettel
Rosberg

As they were the only championship winners this decade.
Summing up other race winners after Verstappen and LeClerc would complete the top 10.

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 06:46

Well, let's try to put things together

1. Hamilton - 5 out of 10 titles, being beaten only to what would have made it 6 titles in a row due to multiple engine failures in 2016.
2. Vettel - 4 out of 10 titles, there can't be another 2nd place.
3. Rosberg - 1 out of 10 titles, the only other to win a WDC in a decade, beat Hamilton and Michael Schumacher.
4. Alonso - almost got 2 titles on sh*t cars. Tons of wins and beautiful races

Let's now head to people who won races in the decade
Button & Verstappen won 8 races each
Bottas, Ricciardo & Webber 7 races each
Leclerc won 2 races
The only other win went to Pastor Maldonado

We can add Perez to that list because he scored multiple podiums

So I would say

1. Hamilton
2. Vettel
3. Rosberg
4. Alonso
5. Verstappen
6. Ricciardo
7. Bottas
8. Button
9. Webber
10. Leclerc

Special mention to Perez

Wow I only just realised that bottas and ric have the same number of wins. That's a really bad looking stat for VB. I thought he had more wins that that.

Edited by goldenboy, 10 December 2019 - 06:49.


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Posted 10 December 2019 - 06:50

Wow I only just realised that bottas and ric have the same number of wins. That's a really bad looking stat for VB.


And only 7 wins for Webber while he had a very fast car in 2009-2013. That’s a sad statistic.

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 06:56

And only 7 wins for Webber while he had a very fast car in 2009-2013. That’s a sad statistic.

Yeah, webber had 9 in total but I thought bottas had done better. Unfortunately I'm well aware of how bad Webber was from 2011 :(

At least webbers wins were mostly memorable lol, but he still got smoked by Vettel. I can barely remember bottas wins to tell the truth.

Edited by goldenboy, 10 December 2019 - 06:57.


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Posted 10 December 2019 - 08:55

My top 10 drivers of the 2010's as follows (split into categories)

 

Hamilton, Vettel & Alonso

There is no doubt in my mind that Hamilton comes out on top as the greatest driver of the 2010's.

Alonso comes a close second, despite not winning a championship, for sheer driving quality and his combativeness in sub-standard equipment was something else.

Vettel squeezes into the top group as a result of his Red Bull days, people are quick to forget just what a quality driver he was (still is, but less frequent). I still rate him today as someone who can pull out that mega lap or race performance. 

 

Rosberg, Button, Verstappen, Ricciardo, Raikkonen, LeClerc

Rosberg is a title winner, and I also rate his performance against the mighty Hamilton highly. There must be something there if you can get that many wins/poles and a WDC alongside one of the greatest of all time.

Button was a great driver on his day, and his wet weather/mixed condition performance gave us many memorable victories.

Verstappen is a once in a generation talent, just like Senna, Schumacher, Hamilton. People who don't see it now, give it a few more years. The boy is special.

Ricciardo combativeness reminds me of Alonso on track sometimes, great overtaking ability and also one who has produced memorable drives. 2014 vs the Mercedes & Vettel was outstanding, and he was very very competitive vs Verstappen.

Raikkonen (before this year) has always been there or there abouts at the sharp end of the grid for good reason, he is a top driver, brings a wealth of experience and on his day is still magic.

Leclerc has not been driving in F1 long, but he has made a superb impression, and also one to watch alongside Verstappen. 

 

Last but not least (just squeezing into the top 10, and it was very difficult to choose - Bottas, Webber, Massa etc. all came to mind).....but I'm giving it to Sergio Perez. The lad has scored podiums when he shouldn't, and apart from that blip at McLaren, he has put many a high profile team-mate into the shade. He probably ranks as the best midfield driver of the 2010's and in my opinion it is a travesty one of the big teams didn't give him another shot at a top car. 



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Posted 10 December 2019 - 09:31

Well, let's try to put things together

 

1. Hamilton - 5 out of 10 titles, being beaten only to what would have made it 6 titles in a row due to multiple engine failures in 2016.

2. Vettel - 4 out of 10 titles, there can't be another 2nd place.

3. Rosberg - 1 out of 10 titles, the only other to win a WDC in a decade, beat Hamilton and Michael Schumacher.

4. Alonso - almost got 2 titles on sh*t cars. Tons of wins and beautiful races

 

Let's now head to people who won races in the decade

Button & Verstappen won 8 races each

Bottas, Ricciardo & Webber 7 races each

Leclerc won 2 races

The only other win went to Pastor Maldonado

 

We can add Perez to that list because he scored multiple podiums

 

So I would say

 

1. Hamilton

2. Vettel

3. Rosberg

4. Alonso

5. Verstappen

6. Ricciardo

7. Bottas

8. Button

9. Webber

10. Leclerc

 

Special mention to Perez

Kimi won 3 races, more than Leclerc and Maldonado...



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Posted 10 December 2019 - 09:41

Had Rosberg stayed in the Mercedes while Lewis was at Ferrari we would be talking about Rosberg achieving his 6th world title by now, has Alonso went to Mercedes at least his 8th, had Vettel went we would be talking about Vettel winning every single championship in a decade.

Yes, I mantain my argument, put Lewis on a Caterham he would not enter the top 15 of the decade, had Lewis stayed in McLaren he would had an Alonso esque career, Lewis was among the best drivers to be in the best team with the best car and Only managing to lose to his teammate a championship fight in 2016 because of his poor start at the Japanese Gp, he in my list is the number one period in a more circunstancial manner but still clever enough to be in the best car at the right time.

I think somebody doesn't quite appreciate the small differences between the great and the merely excellent. Obviously a top driver can't drag a tractor to the front of the grid, but they make a huge difference amongst those ultra fine margins once at the front. 

 

Yes he's spent most of his career in a top car, why should that count against him? Alonso was completely contract free in 2009, 2015 and 2018 yet no top team snapped him up, despite their being potentially available seats. 



#174 BiggestBuddyLazierFan

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 09:47

What is wrong with everyones calculating skills.

2nd decade in 21st century spans from Jan 1st.2011. till Dec 31st 2020

So we still have one full season in this decade!!!!!!

#175 Marklar

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 09:50

What is wrong with everyones calculating skills.

2nd decade in 21st century spans from Jan 1st.2011. till Dec 31st 2020

So we still have one full season in this decade!!!!!!

Nobody is calculating it like this anymore

#176 Man of the race

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 10:18

Nobody is calculating it like this anymore

 

Millenium-themed T-shirt business was pretty weak in new years eve towards 2001 indeed.


Edited by Man of the race, 10 December 2019 - 10:28.


#177 PayasYouRace

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 10:23

What is wrong with everyones calculating skills.

2nd decade in 21st century spans from Jan 1st.2011. till Dec 31st 2020

So we still have one full season in this decade!!!!!!

No we don’t. The decades are usually defined by leading digits. Centuries are more well defined as going from 1-100. If makes no sense to consider 2020 as part of the 2010s just as 1970 isn’t part of the 60s.

Also, luckily for F1 and the world championship it started in 1950. So each decade of F1 goes from 0-9 quite nicely. Next year will be the start of the WDC’s eighth decade.

#178 rodlamas

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 10:29

Kimi won 3 races, more than Leclerc and Maldonado...


Kimi was having the drink.

#179 garoidb

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 10:55

What is wrong with everyones calculating skills.

2nd decade in 21st century spans from Jan 1st.2011. till Dec 31st 2020

So we still have one full season in this decade!!!!!!

 

Are you saying the 20s don't include 2020, but do include 2030?


Edited by garoidb, 10 December 2019 - 10:55.


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#180 FortiFord

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 11:03

I think somebody doesn't quite appreciate the small differences between the great and the merely excellent. Obviously a top driver can't drag a tractor to the front of the grid, but they make a huge difference amongst those ultra fine margins once at the front. 

 

Yes he's spent most of his career in a top car, why should that count against him? Alonso was completely contract free in 2009, 2015 and 2018 yet no top team snapped him up, despite their being potentially available seats. 

 

Agree on 2018.

 

However in 2009 and 2015 he was snapped up by Ferrari and Mclaren respectively (both top teams at the time). 



#181 Retrofly

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 11:59

Late to the party, but I tend to agree with this.

 

All things considered, Hamilton and Alonso are the ones that stand out.

 

Max has the potential to reach their level and his last couple of seasons have been great, but of course when you are actually fighting for the championship things can be different.

 

Rosberg did a fine job vs Hamilton but ultimately he is not as good and Vettel, while very quick, makes too many silly mistakes.

 

At the end of the day the 2010's gave us a number of very strong drivers, and not exclusively at the sharp end of the field. Even most pay-drivers tend to be competent nowadays.  :lol:

My method was putting pitting people head to head and thinking out who would come on top. Honestly think Max will be the next decades #1.



#182 Atreiu

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 14:57

Was a thread like this aorund for the oughties?

1 - Schumacher

2 - Alonso

3 - Hamilton

4 - Raikkonen

5 - Button

6 - Massa

7 - Montoya

8 - Ralf Schumacher

9 - Vettel

10 - Barrichello



#183 MKSixer

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 16:05

My method was putting pitting people head to head and thinking out who would come on top. Honestly think Max will be the next decades #1.

It depends on how long HAMs next contract is.  If Mercedes and Lewis both perform nominally (in their operational history), Lewi6 could bag the next 4 titles putting Max at nearly a decade in F1 as the Next Best Thing but still title-less.  



#184 MKSixer

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 16:07

Was a thread like this aorund for the oughties?

1 - Schumacher

2 - Alonso

3 - Hamilton

4 - Raikkonen

5 - Button

6 - Massa

7 - Montoya

8 - Ralf Schumacher

9 - Vettel

10 - Barrichello

Start one!!   :lol:



#185 PlatenGlass

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 16:17

Start one!! :lol:

I was thinking of doing it as well. If no-one does one by the time I'm on my laptop this evening I'll start one.

#186 Marklar

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 17:28

Was a thread like this aorund for the oughties?

1 - Schumacher

2 - Alonso

3 - Hamilton

4 - Raikkonen

5 - Button

6 - Massa

7 - Montoya

8 - Ralf Schumacher

9 - Vettel

10 - Barrichello

There kinda was

https://forums.autos...e-21st-century/

https://forums.autos...f1-this-decade/

https://forums.autos...-2000s-drivers/

But surely we would be allowed to have a new one, especially as those are archived  :p 
 


Edited by Marklar, 10 December 2019 - 17:32.


#187 coppilcus

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Posted 10 December 2019 - 21:20

Why people still thinks that McLaren is a top team?

It’s not since 2012...

#188 wj_gibson

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Posted 11 December 2019 - 07:36

Why people still thinks that McLaren is a top team?

It’s not since 2012...

At the point Alonso signed up they had just entered into the Honda deal. At the time, that seemed to a lot of people (including me) like a decent bet for the longer term.



#189 Coral

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Posted 11 December 2019 - 16:12

1.   Hamilton

2.   Alonso

3.   Vettel

4.   Verstappen

5.   Rosberg

6.   Raikkonen

7.   Ricciardo

8.   Leclerc

9.   Button

10. Bottas



#190 subh

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Posted 14 January 2020 - 11:55

Planet F1 have gone with:

 

1 Hamilton

2 Vettel

3 Alonso

4 Rosberg

5 Verstappen

6 Ricciardo

7 Räikkönen

8 Pérez

9 Bottas

10 Button

 

https://www.planetf1...the-decade-5-1/
https://www.planetf1...he-decade-10-6/

 

Seems harsh on Jenson Button to me.



#191 Ali623

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Posted 14 January 2020 - 12:03

Planet F1 have gone with:

 

1 Hamilton

2 Vettel

3 Alonso

4 Rosberg

5 Verstappen

6 Ricciardo

7 Räikkönen

8 Pérez

9 Bottas

10 Button

 

https://www.planetf1...the-decade-5-1/
https://www.planetf1...he-decade-10-6/

 

Seems harsh on Jenson Button to me.

 

 

Button higher, Kimi lower. Bottas shouldn't be there



#192 Marklar

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Posted 14 January 2020 - 12:06

Button higher, Kimi lower. Bottas shouldn't be there

Who else should be there?

#193 HeadFirst

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Posted 14 January 2020 - 17:09

Planet F1 have gone with:

 

1 Hamilton

2 Vettel

3 Alonso

4 Rosberg

5 Verstappen

6 Ricciardo

7 Räikkönen

8 Pérez

9 Bottas

10 Button

 

https://www.planetf1...the-decade-5-1/
https://www.planetf1...he-decade-10-6/

 

Seems harsh on Jenson Button to me.

 

It is an interesting list, but I agree too hard on Button. I'd go ...

 

1. Hamilton

2. Alonso

3. Vettel

4. Rosberg

5. Verstappen

6. Button

7. Ricciardo

8. Räikkönen

9. Bottas

10. Perez



#194 cheekybru

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Posted 14 January 2020 - 17:49

It is an interesting list, but I agree too hard on Button. I'd go ...

1. Hamilton
2. Alonso
3. Vettel
4. Rosberg
5. Verstappen
6. Button
7. Ricciardo
8. Räikkönen
9. Bottas
10. Perez

Hard to disagree with this one although I rate Bottas higher than Kimi and Dani, but Kimos 1wdc is enough to be above on the list :)

Edited by cheekybru, 14 January 2020 - 17:50.


#195 garoidb

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Posted 14 January 2020 - 19:57

Hard to disagree with this one although I rate Bottas higher than Kimi and Dani, but Kimos 1wdc is enough to be above on the list :)

 

For the purposes of this thread, Kimi (and also Fernando and Jenson) have no WDC. 



#196 goldenboy

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Posted 15 January 2020 - 04:24

Hard to disagree with this one although I rate Bottas higher than Kimi and Dani, but Kimos 1wdc is enough to be above on the list :)

No way bottas is above Ric imo, and why on earth would kimis WDC from a different decade have anything to do with this?