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[Jon Saltinstall]

There is a reason for this question which I can't really go into just yet, but any information on the current whereabouts of ex-Lauda cars would be very much welcomed! Hopefully I can elaborate shortly.

 

This is what I am told so far; any blanks that can be filled in would be super....

 

Kaimann MkIV - Possibly in a museum in Austria, maybe the Vienna Technical Museum ?

McNamara Mk3B/002 - Michael Gruber, Germany

McNamara Mk3B/007 - Believed destroyed after Zolder accident

March 712M/9 - Destroyed by Ganley at Thruxton

March 712M/9B- Usually known as "10" - Sold to French racer, rebuilt twice, original monocoque believed lost

Chevron B19/71/7 - Written off

March 722/5 - Collector in Australia - who?

March 721/1 - Destroyed in Vallelunga crash

March 721/2 - Swapped with Williams as replacement chassis for Pescarolo's regularly-crashed 721/3 ?

March 721X/1 - Sweden- who?

March 721G/2 - Converted to "731" spec and used by Beuttler in 1973

March 721G/4 - Converted to "731" spec and destroyed in Williamson's fatal accident

BRM P160C/05 - Written off, Monaco GP 1974

BRM P160D/01 - Written off, British GP 1973

BRM P160E/08 - UK- who?
BRM P160E/10 - Australia- who?

Ferrari 312B3/010 - Ernst Schuster, Germany

Ferrari 312B3/012 - Switzerland- who?

Ferrari 312B3/015 - UK- who?

Ferrari 312T/018 - Giancarlo Cassoli, Italy

Ferrari 312T/022 - Richard Griot, USA but sold at Pebble Beach auction in 2019

Ferrari 312T/023 - Setton collection, Switzerland

Ferrari 312T2/025 - Engelbert Steiger's Turning Wheel collection, Switzerland

Ferrari 312T2/026 - Helmut Gossens ? Chris McAllister (USA) ?

Ferrari 312T2/028 - Destroyed in Nurburgring shunt

Ferrari 312T2/030 - Destroyed in Villeneuve's shunt at Fuji

Ferrari 312T2/031 - Colin Bach, San Francisco, USA

Brabham BT45C/7 - ?

Brabham BT46/1 - Unknown, probably scrapped. 

Brabham BT46/4 - Italy- who?

Brabham BT46B/6 - Bernie Ecclestone Heritage Collection

Brabham BT46/7 - Written off, Argentina 1979

Brabham BT48/2 - Rebuilt as first BT49, retained by Bernie Ecclestone?

Brabham BT48/4 - Retained by Bernie Ecclestone ?

McLaren MP4/1B/04 - Retained by McLaren ?

McLaren MP4/1B-06 - Rebuilt as MP4/1E-06 - Retained by McLaren ?

McLaren MP4/1B-07 - Rebuilst as MP4/1C-07 - Retained by McLaren ?

McLaren MP4/1D-1 - Test hack - thought to have been scrapped

McLaren MP4/2-1 - Retained by McLaren ?

McLaren MP4/2B-1 - Is this the same chassis? - Retained by McLaren ?

 

As to the various Touring Cars and other oddities, this could be an even more lengthy search.

 

Any comments welcomed!

[Derwent Motorsport]

Did he not start with a Mini?

[john winfield]

Jon, I don't know how complete you aim to be but I notice some of the written-off cars mention the driver, and some don't. Those that tally with Niki's career might have him at the wheel but. presumably, not necessarily.

 

BRM for example.  BRM P160D/01 - Written off, British GP 1973.  Niki was there, driving for BRM, and presumably drove that chassis sometime in his career. But I guess that this isn't the car he was driving that day, despite his suffering damage at the first start. Is this Beltoise's car which was involved in the first lap pile-up?

 

BRM P160C/05 - Written off, Monaco GP 1974.  By now Niki, who presumably drove this BRM chassis at some time, was at Ferrari. Did JPB, Pesca or Migault have a big shunt, in practice perhaps? Can't be JPB in the race can it, because I have an image in my mind of his P201 tangling with Denny Hulme on the way up to Casino Square?

[Jon Saltinstall]

Jon, I don't know how complete you aim to be but I notice some of the written-off cars mention the driver, and some don't. Those that tally with Niki's career might have him at the wheel but. presumably, not necessarily.

 

BRM for example.  BRM P160D/01 - Written off, British GP 1973.  Niki was there, driving for BRM, and presumably drove that chassis sometime in his career. But I guess that this isn't the car he was driving that day, despite his suffering damage at the first start. Is this Beltoise's car which was involved in the first lap pile-up?

 

BRM P160C/05 - Written off, Monaco GP 1974.  By now Niki, who presumably drove this BRM chassis at some time, was at Ferrari. Did JPB, Pesca or Migault have a big shunt, in practice perhaps? Can't be JPB in the race can it, because I have an image in my mind of his P201 tangling with Denny Hulme on the way up to Casino Square?

 

 

Hi John - perhaps I have over complicated things by mentioning what happened to chassis - not necessarily with Niki at the wheel. I have comprehensive chapter and verse on what chassis Niki raced and where; all I am trying to establish is what still survives and where it now resides. As our other correspondent mentions, he did indeed start in a Mini (which changed hands in Austria a few years ago but seems to have disappeared) and there's a long list of other machinery I could have included, but i was trying to look to the major stuff. Revised list below - anything that was written off is noted simply as such.

 

Kaimann MkIV - Possibly in a museum in Austria, maybe the Vienna Technical Museum ?

McNamara Mk3B/002 - Michael Gruber, Germany

McNamara Mk3B/007 - Believed written off.

March 712M/9 - Written off.

March 712M/9B- Original monocoque believed lost

Chevron B19/71/7 - Written off.

March 722/5 - Collector in Australia - who?

March 721/1 - Written off.

March 721/2 - Believed lost.

March 721X/1 - Sweden- who?

March 721G/2 - Converted to "731" for 1973 - still in that spec?

March 721G/4 - Written off.

BRM P160C/05 - Written off.

BRM P160D/01 - Written off.

BRM P160E/08 - UK- who?
BRM P160E/10 - Australia- who?

Ferrari 312B3/010 - Ernst Schuster, Germany

Ferrari 312B3/012 - Switzerland- who?

Ferrari 312B3/015 - UK- who?

Ferrari 312T/018 - Giancarlo Cassoli, Italy

Ferrari 312T/022 - Richard Griot, USA but sold at Pebble Beach auction in 2019

Ferrari 312T/023 - Setton collection, Switzerland

Ferrari 312T2/025 - Engelbert Steiger's Turning Wheel collection, Switzerland

Ferrari 312T2/026 - Helmut Gossens ? Chris McAllister (USA) ?

Ferrari 312T2/028 - Written off.

Ferrari 312T2/030 - Written off.

Ferrari 312T2/031 - Colin Bach, San Francisco, USA

Brabham BT45C/7 - ?

Brabham BT46/1 - Unknown, probably scrapped. 

Brabham BT46/4 - Italy- who?

Brabham BT46B/6 - Bernie Ecclestone Heritage Collection

Brabham BT46/7 - Written off.

Brabham BT48/2 - Rebuilt as first BT49, retained by Bernie Ecclestone?

Brabham BT48/4 - Retained by Bernie Ecclestone ?

McLaren MP4/1B/04 - Retained by McLaren ?

McLaren MP4/1B-06 - Rebuilt as MP4/1E-06 - Retained by McLaren ?

McLaren MP4/1B-07 - Rebuilt as MP4/1C-07 - Retained by McLaren ?

McLaren MP4/1D-1 - Test hack - thought to have been scrapped

McLaren MP4/2-1 - Retained by McLaren ?

McLaren MP4/2B-1 - Is this the same chassis? - Retained by McLaren ?

 

(N.B. - Thanks to OldRacingCars.com for much of the source material above.)

Edited by Jon Saltinstall, 09 December 2019 - 21:04.