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[Marklar]

Tyres for the first 4 races confirmed, all C2-C4



2019 tyres will stay for 2020, tyre pressure will increase due to expected increased downforce

[BobbyRicky]

C4 eh? ive always found that to be an ironic name for a Pirelli F1-tyre.

Might be an explosive compound that.

[TomNokoe]

Australia and China the same as 2019.

Bahrain a step softer, even though we already had a 2 stop race this year. Nice.

[zibby43]

Good news that the 2019 design/construction will be retained for 2020.  Every team voted against adopting the 2020 tires. 

Edited by zibby43, 10 December 2019 - 21:30.

[Afterburner]

Pardon my ignorance, but is this the first time in F1 history that we've had two consecutive seasons on the exact same tyres? Maybe 2009-2010?

I think they need to be a bit more adventurous with the compounds they use anyway–feels like we haven't seen a three-stop race in years...

[SenorSjon]

They will drive slower to prevent a third stop. With tires that fragile, you can't gain an additional pitstop.

[Beri]

They will drive slower to prevent a third stop. With tires that fragile, you can't gain an additional pitstop.

A Shuey Magny Cours 2004 remake..?

[Danyy]

Give them an incentive for making three stops, a point for three pit stops like they get for fastest lap. Everyone will be pushing like crazy to get that extra point.

[IceSpeed]

Give them an incentive for making three stops, a point for three pit stops like they get for fastest lap. Everyone will be pushing like crazy to get that extra point.

+ finish in the top 10

[SuperSwede]

Since we´re stuck with Pirelli..

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Shorten the often quite long Pit Entry´s and Exits would lessen the time on the Pit Speed Limiter. There´s also quite a few tracks that could raise their Pit Speed Limit a little bit too IMO. If done properly, it could give the teams the incentive to race hard(er) at some tracks.

 

 

 

 

[FPV GTHO]

Give them an incentive for making three stops, a point for three pit stops like they get for fastest lap. Everyone will be pushing like crazy to get that extra point.

The best incentive for more stops is a shorter pitlane. Pirelli can't control that, all they can do is maybe give a large performance gain on fresh tyres but that will just be seen as severe degradation.

[Yoshi]

https://www.auto-mot...en-saison-2020/

 

 

 

Nevertheless, it is foreseeable that there will be 2020 complaints. Pirelli race director Mario Isola had already announced that they will increase the tire pressure with the old tires and reduce the chamber. "The 2020s cars will have more downforce. We expect the teams to find between one and 1.5 seconds. More downforce means a higher load on the tire. We have to take countermeasures.

Edited by Yoshi, 11 December 2019 - 09:53.

[Bleu]

I think Pirelli should have gone for softest trio in Melbourne but otherwise early choices are OK.

[SonGoku]

What a weak statement from Brawn that was. I guess he has to defend his sponsor Pirelli, but it's a huge red flag when a new product is so not wanted by all the teams.

Edited by SonGoku, 11 December 2019 - 16:30.

[FPV GTHO]

I think Pirelli should have gone for softest trio in Melbourne but otherwise early choices are OK.

I think Melbourne is generally too hot for the C5, despite all the other indicators leading to a soft tyre being necessary.

[Kalmake]

Abu Dhabi, Singapore, Montreal and Monaco had C5 this year. At least two of those can get as hot as Melbourne.

 

Pirelli is always cautious early season.

[Tiakumosan]

Pirelli never heard of thermal degradation before Brazil 2019.

https://www.motorspo...irelli/4700310/

[JeePee]

Pirelli never heard of thermal degradation before Brazil 2019.

https://www.motorspo...irelli/4700310/

 

[Marklar]

Pretty certain that this is just Hamilton exagerating XD

[JeePee]

Pretty certain that this is just Hamilton exagerating XD

With Pirelli I really don't know.

[SonGoku]

Pirelli is as clueless as it gets, the 2020 new tyres were also a disaster. You can expect anything from them.

[FPV GTHO]

With Pirelli I really don't know.

Thermal degradation has been a key word since 2011, Pirelli aren't that clueless

[SuperSwede]

Does anyone of you think they would stand a chance if they where to compete against the likes of Bridgestone and Michelin? 

 

I do not like tire-wars as they tend to make the races even more predicable. But if they were to go for it, the Pirelli shod teams wouldn´t stand a chance in hell. And on top of that, the concern that the cars will be slower in 2021 and on-wards would disappear at once. They would find at least 3 to 4s a lap within the first year if so.

 

And come 2022 Pirelli would be gone, not missed by anyone but perhaps Liberty´s revenue department. That said, until they realize that they all of a sudden have a lot more viewers on their digital platforms and spectators at the tracks too. 

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I know, it´s just a pipe-dream but.. one can always dream and hope that those who governs the sport finally realize that the best thing for F1 now (or as soon as possible) is a tire-war, so we get rid of Pirelli and their awful tires.

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Edit: I just saw this article at Motorsport.com https://www.motorspo...irelli/4700310/ 

Edited by SuperSwede, 29 February 2020 - 03:02.

[TomNokoe]

First selection of the year

Australia compounds are the same as 2019 so a one-stop is pretty much certain.



New Pirelli graphic is absolutely awful. No idea why they didn't just keep last year's.

Edited by TomNokoe, 03 March 2020 - 12:06.

[ConsiderAndGo]

Yawn.

[Jovanotti]

Pirelli never heard of thermal degradation before Brazil 2019.

https://www.motorspo...irelli/4700310/

What the actual ****. Good on Hamilton for putting on some pressure.

Also I read somewhere Pirelli will likely bring an extra-hard compound for Zandvoort because of the banked corner or force the teams to drastically increase tyre pressures because of it. Those guys are unbelievable.

[hodgy21]

What the actual ****. Good on Hamilton for putting on some pressure.

Also I read somewhere Pirelli will likely bring an extra-hard compound for Zandvoort because of the banked corner or force the teams to drastically increase tyre pressures because of it. Those guys are unbelievable.

 

Probably not happening now.

 

https://www.racefans...andvoort-tyres/

[rodlamas]

Probably not happening now.

https://www.racefans...andvoort-tyres/

One thing is the construction, the other if they bring an ultra hard compound.

[Astandahl]

Pirelli is as clueless as it gets, the 2020 new tyres were also a disaster. You can expect anything from them.

Pirelli is  by far the worst supplier in F1 recent history but it's not their fault entirely. Lack of tyres testing is a huge problem as well.

[SCUDmissile]

where are these tyres coming from? Milan? 

[Tiakumosan]

Turkey IIRC.

[Kalmake]

Or Romania.

[SCUDmissile]

Ah right well that's good.

Was worried Pirelli may even be refused entry to countries due to this thing, then the races are truly doomed.

[RacingGreen]

where are these tyres coming from? Milan? 

 

The research and development of the tyres takes place in Milan but they are actually manufactured in Izmit, Turkey.

[JeePee]

The research and development of the tyres takes place in Milan but they are actually manufactured in Izmit, Turkey.

They do research and development on these tyres?

[MoP]

Pirelli, is a JOKE. 

 

As are their ridiculous tire pressures and camber restrictions. Those used to be important tools for the setup and performance, now nullified because they can't build a proper race tire for 10 years. 

 

Only season Pirelli produced accepable tires was 2017 imho.

[Marklar]

2017 was bad too, you probably liked it because it made the championship closer since Merc struggled with them

Pirelli's best were 2011 imo, spectacular but not too ridiculous. First half of 2013 was fine too (borderline), until Silverstone exposed them as fragile.

Actually last years tyres were pretty solid in the race, it allowed much closrr racing than the years before, but they couldnt make them work in qualifying.

Edited by Marklar, 04 March 2020 - 08:18.

[gillesfan76]

https://www.auto-mot...en-saison-2020/

 

So their countermeasure is to overinflate their POS rubber donut instead of actually designing something half decent? Useless

[TomNokoe]

Pirelli planning to scrap tyre choices once season restarts

[Bleu]

They had a similar situation for first few races in 2017 IIRC (because the rule changes on the cars teams had no tyre info on new cars) and allowed teams to make selections once the testing was completed.

 

I think the allocation was two hards, four mediums and seven softs.

[Sterzo]

No mechanical object, be it an engine or a tyre, performs exactly as expected by its creators. Pre the Pirelli era, tyre companies were tasked with producing tyres which would be fast and reliable. Tricky enough, and they often weren't. Now they've been given the additional task of making them degrade to a pattern, so that it encourages one or two pit stops but not more, and enough to encourage big differences in performance, yet without compromising safety. Lunatic, an impossible exercise.

 

Pirelli may or may not have made a hash of the whole thing, but the real problem is not them, but the brief they were given.

[Marklar]

2nd Silverstone race with different tyre choice

[CSF]

That seems like a good idea to me, it should mean there is at least some variety between the races. 

[ConsiderAndGo]

Why not chuck the c5s at Austria then? Bizarre. Unless, they don’t intend on using them again all year so not worth manufacturing.

So no difference between the first two races. The tv companies are gonna be happy with that...

[TomNokoe]

The selections are identical to last year, apart from Silverstone 2 (duh) and Spa. Both a step softer.

Silverstone 2 will almost definitely be a two-stop judging by last year.

Silverstone 1 depends on ambient temperature and race pace, but probably also a two-stop.

Yay, variance!

As many have recommended before, C1-C3-C4 would've been more interesting.

Edited by TomNokoe, 11 June 2020 - 15:29.

[Goron3]

Goo

 

Why not chuck the c5s at Austria then? Bizarre. Unless, they don’t intend on using them again all year so not worth manufacturing.

So no difference between the first two races. The tv companies are gonna be happy with that...

I think the issue with the C5's is that they have the lowest operating temperature and are designed for street circuits. The'd surely fall apart due to the Austria's high speed double left hand corners.

 

Even if you think about a slow circuit like Singapore, the C5's for the last two years have resulted in the top drivers driving incredible slowly to ensure they don't fall apart.

[Bleu]

No different tyre selections between teams and drivers this year.

 

Pirelli confirmed two hards, three mediums and eight softs for each team each event throughout the season.

 

https://twitter.com/...451447056797696

[ARTGP]

No different tyre selections between teams and drivers this year.

 

Pirelli confirmed two hards, three mediums and eight softs for each team each event throughout the season.

 

https://twitter.com/...451447056797696

 

This seems like it just protects the bigger teams in Q2.

Edited by ARTGP, 23 June 2020 - 22:26.

[TomNokoe]

This seems like it just protects the bigger teams in Q2.

Why?

[Goron3]

That's going to make some races really exciting. For example, I wonder if teams will even do any long runs in Spain as they'll likely need both sets of hard tyres per driver for the race.