Jump to content


Photo
- - - - -

All time fantasy line up for 2020


  • Please log in to reply
13 replies to this topic

#1 Beri

Beri
  • Member

  • 11,530 posts
  • Joined: January 14

Posted 17 December 2019 - 10:08

In the wake of boredom, let's give this a shot of some good conversation:
If you had to pick 10 teams and 20 drivers during the entire history of the sport, who would your pick be for 2020?

Note: drivers and teams do not have to be affiliated like they were in the past. But teams and drivers do have to be picked of a certain year (of dominance).
For example: Schumacher (2000) could drive for Williams (1992) in your line up.

Lotus (1963)
Hamilton (2019)
Clark (1963)

Williams (1992)
Schumacher (2004)
M. Verstappen (2019)

Tyrrell (1971)
Fittipaldi (1972)
Andretti (1978)

Mercedes (2014)
Fangio (1957)
Senna (1993) *

Ferrari (2004)
Lauda (1976) *
Prost (1989)

McLaren (1988)
Vettel (2012)
Brabham (1960)

Jordan (1999)
Stewart (1973)
Alonso (2006)

Renault (2006)
Moss (1958)
Ickx (1970)

Ligier (1980)
Peterson (1978)
Pironi (1982)

Alfa Romeo (1950)
G. Villeneuve (1982)
J. Villeneuve (1996) *

Aside from including some drivers I favor that never did become World Champion:
* - Named year was not a year where said driver won the championship. But it was the year where I think he was at his absolute best.

Advertisement

#2 PlayboyRacer

PlayboyRacer
  • Member

  • 6,973 posts
  • Joined: March 16

Posted 17 December 2019 - 10:51

Team - McLaren (1988)
Hakkinen (1998)
Hunt (1976)

Team - Lotus (1963)
Clark (1963)
Andretti (1978)

Team - Renault (2005)
Prost (1986)
Alonso (2012)

Team - Williams (1996)
Senna (1993)
J.Villeneuve (2000)

Team - Mercedes (2014)
Hamilton (2019)
Raikkonen (2005)

Team - Ferrari (2002)
M.Schumacher (1998)
G.Villeneuve (1981)

Team - Brabham (1983)
Piquet (1983)
Vettel (2011)

Team - Red Bull (2011)
Montoya (2003)
K.Rosberg (1983)

Team - Tyrrell (1971)
Lauda (1975)
M.Verstappen (2019)

Team - Brawn (2009)
Button (2009)
Mansell (1986)

Edited by PlayboyRacer, 17 December 2019 - 11:37.


#3 Beri

Beri
  • Member

  • 11,530 posts
  • Joined: January 14

Posted 17 December 2019 - 13:56

Interestingly I didn't think of Brawn. Which, ofcourse, should have been included on my list.

What's the reason you put Keke Rosberg on the list?

#4 noikeee

noikeee
  • Member

  • 23,182 posts
  • Joined: February 06

Posted 17 December 2019 - 14:50

Ferrari (2002)
M. Schumacher (2000)
M. Verstappen (2019)
 
Any all-time list needs Schumacher at his peak with the most dominant of his Ferraris, but one thing Schumacher was always criticised for was having easy unchallenging #1 status situations. Who better than Max, the son of one of his real actual team-mates no less, to make him as uncomfortable as possible, in an explosive team-mate battle?
 
McLaren (1988)
Prost (1986)
Raikkonen (2005)
 
I just wanted to put my 2 favourite drivers on the most dominant car of all time, at their peak before they declined. It's just a perfect fit that they had their strongest seasons exactly for this team.
 
Lotus (1978)
Clark (1965)
Rindt (1970)
 
Lotus is the natural home for Clark and Rindt, 2 of the best drivers of all time, both tragically killed early. The fairest thing is to give them a Lotus that neither of them drove, but was dominant nonetheless.
 
Williams (1992)
Mansell (1992)
Hunt (1976)
 
Mansell at Williams was obvious - despite being an inconsistent driver, he was genuinely great at his best and that crazy dominant season in 92 was it. Others like Jones and Keke would be a natural, historically coherent fit at Williams, but what about making it a crazy British national team type thing and place another hugely popular 1-time Brit champion, that was also briefly unstoppable? (and is underrated to this day)
 
Brabham (1983)
Piquet (1983)
Lauda (1975)
 
The only duo on this list that actually drove together as team-mates, and for this team. However, we need a rematch. When they drove together, Piquet was a rookie, and Lauda unmotivated and quite possibly not the same driver post-accident. What if both were at their best, and of course placing Piquet in a 83 (or 81) Brabham was the only possible choice here as we need him at his best to add value to this grid - he was never as good later on or in other teams.
 
Mercedes (1955)
Fangio (1951)
Hamilton (2018)
 
2 of the all-time very best, multiple champions for this very team. The only question was to give them a modern or a classic Mercedes. With Fangio being a much older driver - although I place him here at his earliest championship year, aged 40 - I felt it would've been too much of a handicap to put him on a modern car, let's shove Lewis to a classic one instead.
 
Tyrrell (1973)
Stewart (1973)
Moss (1958)
 
Stewart's an often overlooked driver in all-time best lists, but he's right up there - what better way than to give him his very best car to show that off? Moss gets this seat as it was one of the few remaining - the best driver of the late 50s deserves to be on this grid.
 
Red Bull (2011)
Vettel (2011)
Fittipaldi (1974)
 
Much like Piquet at Brabham, the only way to make sure Vettel shows up at his best is to give him his best car, exhaust blown diffuser and all. Fittipaldi's here on the reasoning that he, much like Vettel, was a driver that made a huge bang at a young age but then his career slowed down - this is a battle between similar drivers.
 
Renault (2006)
Alonso (2012)
Senna (1991)
 
If you thought Michael and Max was the most explosive team-mate duo on this list, you've seen nothing yet. Alonso is on home ground, and has the further edge of showing up at his later, more experienced peak. But he's up against quite possibly the most mythical driver of all time, on peak championship winning form, too. Both drivers are/were known for not ever giving a inch on anything on sheer competitiveness, specially towards their team-mates. Just imagine this one...
 
Alfa Romeo (1951)
Ascari (1952)
G. Villeneuve (1981)
 
Neither drove for Alfa but for Ferrari, but let's imagine this as the romantic, gentleman-like version of Ferrari, whilst Michael/Max embode the modern ruthless side of the marque. Ascari the greatest Italian champion for an Italian team, and what else to give Gilles other than a role with romantic undertones? Could Gilles' immense flair and skill overcome Ascari who was a more complete package?

Edited by noikeee, 17 December 2019 - 14:52.


#5 noikeee

noikeee
  • Member

  • 23,182 posts
  • Joined: February 06

Posted 17 December 2019 - 14:58

Also, I'm assuming there's some sort of BOP or equalization formula between these cars, otherwise I suspect the 2002 Ferrari, the 2006 Renault, the 2011 RB might lap ever so slightly faster than the 1955 Mercedes... :D



#6 Beri

Beri
  • Member

  • 11,530 posts
  • Joined: January 14

Posted 17 December 2019 - 15:32

Also, I'm assuming there's some sort of BOP or equalization formula between these cars, otherwise I suspect the 2002 Ferrari, the 2006 Renault, the 2011 RB might lap ever so slightly faster than the 1955 Mercedes... :D

Haha, don't overthink it too much. Your assumption is correct. Let's leave it with that. Great list you've added.
But you do think the Schumacher post leg injury was better than the hungry and highly motivated Schumacher of 1996? Because that was my doubt. I was dubbing between Schumacher of 1996 and 2004.

Edited by Beri, 17 December 2019 - 15:33.


#7 Atreiu

Atreiu
  • Member

  • 17,232 posts
  • Joined: May 07

Posted 17 December 2019 - 16:27

I love topics like this.

 

Picture a fictional 1985 (near perfect balance between performance and ability to race themselves) with equally reliable (but not bullet proof) cars:

 

01 - Lotus Renault; Senna and Clark

02 - Renault; Prost and Arnoux

03 - Ligier Renault; Alonso and J Villeneuve

04 - McLaren TAG; Hakkinen and Hamilton

05 - Ferrari; Lauda and Raikkonen

06 - Williams Honda; D Hill and Montoya

07 - Honda; Kobayashi and K Rosberg

08 - Benetton BMW; Schumacher and Berger

09 - Brabham BMW; Piquet and Massa

10 - Mercedes; N Rosberg and Vettel

11 - Tyrell Ford; M Verstappen and JY Stewart

12 - Coca-Cola Ford; Andretti and Ricciardo

13 - VW; Bellof and R Schumacher

(26 is the right number of drivers on the grid)

 

 

And they'd race at these circuits:

 

01 - Interlagos (current layout is fine)

02 - Termas Rio Honda (current MotoGP layout)

03 - Motorland Aragon (current MotoGP layout, except the section between turns 12 and 15 is bypassed)

04 - Monaco (1991 layout)

05 - Circuit Gilles Villeneuve (current layout)

06 - Grand Prix of Portland (current layout)

07 - Paul Ricard (1985 layout)

08 - Silverstone (1985 layout)

09 - Norisring (current layout)

10 - Istambul Park

11 - Spa (1991 layout)

12 - Monza (1991 layout)

13 - Baku

14 - Singapore (2008 layout with nasty chincane)

15 - Yeongam (interesting circuit, quite underrated, as always Tilke messed it up)

16 - Suzuka (1991 layout)

17 - Adelaide

(17 is the right number of GPs)

 

9-6-4-3-2-1 point system, but only 4 worse results are excluded.


Edited by Atreiu, 17 December 2019 - 16:31.


#8 PlayboyRacer

PlayboyRacer
  • Member

  • 6,973 posts
  • Joined: March 16

Posted 17 December 2019 - 19:54

Interestingly I didn't think of Brawn. Which, ofcourse, should have been included on my list.

What's the reason you put Keke Rosberg on the list?

Keke was a very fast, very brave and very cool champion, who in that time period was regularly taking it to the turbos whilst sitting in the Cosworth powered Williams. In full flight he was a joy to watch. Very similar in approach and style to Montoya whom I paired him with.

#9 Marklar

Marklar
  • Member

  • 44,281 posts
  • Joined: May 15

Posted 17 December 2019 - 19:57

Haha, don't overthink it too much. Your assumption is correct. Let's leave it with that. Great list you've added.
But you do think the Schumacher post leg injury was better than the hungry and highly motivated Schumacher of 1996? Because that was my doubt. I was dubbing between Schumacher of 1996 and 2004.

IMO anything between 1995-2001/02 does fit with Schumacher, in doubt I would take more exprience, so 2001/02-ish.

By 2004 Schumacher wasnt at his best anymore imo, it just happened to be the best car he has ever driven.



#10 Atreiu

Atreiu
  • Member

  • 17,232 posts
  • Joined: May 07

Posted 17 December 2019 - 20:25

What about this:

 

2003 Montoya in the F2003GA paired with 2008 Massa

2003 Schumacher in the MP4-17D paired with 2003 Alonso

2003 Raikkonen in the FW25 paiured with 1998 Hakkinen

 

=D



#11 Beri

Beri
  • Member

  • 11,530 posts
  • Joined: January 14

Posted 18 December 2019 - 08:18

IMO anything between 1995-2001/02 does fit with Schumacher, in doubt I would take more exprience, so 2001/02-ish.

By 2004 Schumacher wasnt at his best anymore imo, it just happened to be the best car he has ever driven.


I would say he was as hungry as ever in 2004. Yet the more I think about it, the more I would have picked the 1996 Schumacher. He was just epic at times.

Keke was a very fast, very brave and very cool champion, who in that time period was regularly taking it to the turbos whilst sitting in the Cosworth powered Williams. In full flight he was a joy to watch. Very similar in approach and style to Montoya whom I paired him with.


Fair comment. Good choice. Also the Red Bull of 2011 would give Rosberg and Montoya a seriously good car.

#12 Sterzo

Sterzo
  • Member

  • 4,979 posts
  • Joined: September 11

Posted 18 December 2019 - 09:44

Here goes. That BoP had better be good, Beri, or we’ll have to stick this lot in the W Series fleet of cars.

 

Mercedes 1955

Fangio

Senna

 

McLaren 1988

Schumacher

Hamilton

 

Alfa Romeo 1950

Clark

Prost

 

Williams 1992

Nazzaro

Stewart

 

Fiat 1907

Nuvolari

Alonso

 

Mercedes 1914

Carracciola

Moss

 

Mercedes 2014

Boillot

Benoist

 

Ferrari 1961

Vettel

Lauda

 

Red Bull 2012

Andretti

Varzi

 

Bugatti 1929

Fittipaldi

Rosemeyer

 

It hurts to relegate Brabham, Lautenschlager and Verstappen to simulator roles, and to see all the Villeneuves, Hills and Ascaris heading for Formula E, but I’ve stuck to twenty entries. Have been too lazy to specify years for drivers; most have multiple years on top anyway.

 

No teams from Lotus, Panhard, Peugeot, Cooper and Delage until Liberty can fund extra places. Left out 1937 Mercedes to avoid complaints about boring domination, but Mercedes appear three times, as the rules don’t actually forbid it. (A much-honoured racing principle).



#13 PayasYouRace

PayasYouRace
  • Racing Sims Forum Host

  • 45,984 posts
  • Joined: January 10

Posted 18 December 2019 - 10:21

 and to see all the Villeneuves, Hills and Ascaris heading for Formula E, but I’ve stuck to twenty entries. 

 

In the words of Tim The Tool Man Taylor, "[They] could go to Indy!"



#14 Beri

Beri
  • Member

  • 11,530 posts
  • Joined: January 14

Posted 18 December 2019 - 12:02

Here goes. That BoP had better be good, Beri, or we’ll have to stick this lot in the W Series fleet of cars.

[…]

It hurts to relegate Brabham, Lautenschlager and Verstappen to simulator roles, and to see all the Villeneuves, Hills and Ascaris heading for Formula E, but I’ve stuck to twenty entries. Have been too lazy to specify years for drivers; most have multiple years on top anyway.
 
No teams from Lotus, Panhard, Peugeot, Cooper and Delage until Liberty can fund extra places. Left out 1937 Mercedes to avoid complaints about boring domination, but Mercedes appear three times, as the rules don’t actually forbid it. (A much-honoured racing principle).


The BOP is whatever you want it to be ;-)
So lets say its good!

I find it great that you have gone beyond Post War Grand Prix racing. I havent done that, otherwise Carraciola, Nuvolari and Lang would have made my list also.