238 replies to this topic

[statman]

As every year:

 

The countdown is on and Ferrari is the first team to announce a launch date: February 11.

 

 

Ferrari: 11 February

Red Bull: 12 February

Renault: 12 February

McLaren: 13 February

Alpha Tauri: 14 February

Mercedes: 14 February

Racing Point: 17 February

Williams: 17 February

Haas: 19 February

Alfa: 19 February

 

 

not much else to report at this point apart from Red Bull:

 

Red Bull Racing team adviser Helmut Marko has announced to ServusTV that the racing team is even two weeks ahead of the preparations for the Formula 1 2020 season

 

 

Will we see a couple of new liveries this time around?:

 

* Racing point? Will they continue with the pink livery or will Stroll mix it up now that a possible Aston Martin investment is possible?

* Haas? Rich Energy is gone. A new season, a new look?

 

 

Pre-season testing will be: 19-21 Feb. and 26-28 Feb.

Edited by statman, 31 January 2020 - 17:58.

[Branislav]

McLaren will have a new look.

[PayasYouRace]

 

 

 

Will we see a couple of new liveries this time around?:

 

* Racing point? Will they continue with the pink livery or will Stroll mix it up now that a possible Aston Martin investment is possible?

* Haas? Rich Energy is gone. A new season, a new look?

 

 

 

Racing point will retain the pink if BWT remain their major sponsor. Haas will probably go back to house colours unless they pick up a major sponsor. If they do hopefully this time it's a genuine one.

[Marklar]

Toro Rosso Alpha Tauri on february 14

[Beri]

Williams might see a bit more red with the increased presence of RoKIT..
#WishfulThinking

[PayasYouRace]

Now I’m imagining a Williams in a livery reminiscent of a mid 90s Walker Racing Champ Car with Valvoline sponsorship. I’m probably going to be disappointed when it’s revealed.

[SenorSjon]

Toro Rosso Alpha Tauri on february 14

 

Most of their branding now is black/white. I wonder if that is a placeholder. Too bad, I really like their current livery after the dull one they had before.

[Marklar]

Alfa failed crash test https://it.motorspor...la-c39/4614707/

[PayasYouRace]

I think we need to agree to not use “Alfa” or “Alpha” as shorthand.

[Anja]

Here's a question - will Alpha Tauri be treated as a new team in terms of statistics etc, effectively starting from scratch? Usually when teams change the name without ownership changes it's only partial and the constructor name stays the same, hence still counting as the same team. But with this one would assume the constructor name changes as well. 

[PayasYouRace]

Here's a question - will Alpha Tauri be treated as a new team in terms of statistics etc, effectively starting from scratch? Usually when teams change the name without ownership changes it's only partial and the constructor name stays the same, hence still counting as the same team. But with this one would assume the constructor name changes as well. 

 

Statistically it will be a new constructor, a new "make" of car. When you get down to the nitty gritty of it, its the "make", the brand, the name that's counted. Usually a new constructor name comes with a change of ownership, but it doesn't have to be the case.

 

The most similar precedent would probably be the Larrousse team. They used Lola chassis initially which counted towards Lola's statistics. For 1992 their cars were Venturis. The only time their cars counted as Larrousses was from 1993 to their demise at the end of 1994.

[jee]

How about Arrows and Footwork? They're also counted as one.

[PayasYouRace]

How about Arrows and Footwork? They're also counted as one.

 

No, Arrows and Footwork are two statistically different constructors, and their starts and results are tallied separately.

[krapmeister]

Williams might see a bit more red with the increased presence of RoKIT..
#WishfulThinking

In line with the Ticktum signing, maybe just a mist of red around the cockpit...

Edited by krapmeister, 18 December 2019 - 22:17.

[mp4x]

Alpha Tauri's announcement of Valentine's day is pathetically McLaren's last year announcement (yeeaaah it's a date).

[OvDrone]

I think we need to agree to not use “Alfa” or “Alpha” as shorthand.

We can go for Sauber and Minardi.

[FNG]

Alpha Tauri is such a horrible name. I think I will start calling them Minardi in my own mind

[Anuity]

I think we need to agree to not use “Alfa” or “Alpha” as shorthand.

Isn’t it that most people that somehow are interested in car brands and Motorsport are well aware what Alfa means.

On the other hand Aloha Tauri is indeed pretty bad, but oh well, so was Toro Rosso and is Red Bull.

[PayasYouRace]

Isn’t it that most people that somehow are interested in car brands and Motorsport are well aware what Alfa means.

On the other hand Aloha Tauri is indeed pretty bad, but oh well, so was Toro Rosso and is Red Bull.

 

But they're phonetically completely different, no matter what your thoughts on how nice they sound.

[teejay]

Merc/Ferrari/RB/Renault will probably be essentially copy and paste so not much to get excited for there. 

 

McLaren stated a new look is coming. 

 

TR appear to be going black and white? 

[Ali623]

For once I actually hope McLaren don't change the livery too much, I think they got it pretty spot on this year. Will be disappointing to lose the Toro Rosso livery, but maybe a matte black and silver Alpha Tauri? Could look really smart. 

Edited by Ali623, 19 December 2019 - 09:40.

[noikeee]

Can't we just agree to refer to them as "Toro Rosso or whatever they're called"?

 

I think we'll have new livery from them and hopefully from Racing Point too, specially so we stop associating them with Force India through the very similar pink that they already sported in their previous incarnation. Any major sponsor changes from anyone that we know of?

[Anja]

As for McLaren I really hope they keep the papaya and blue at least partially, I really came to love that combination and think it should be their trademark for years to come. 

[Viryfan]

Merc/Ferrari/RB/Renault will probably be essentially copy and paste so not much to get excited for there.

McLaren stated a new look is coming.

TR appear to be going black and white?

We might see more green from bp and castrol as they will fork more money at Renault.

[CoolBreeze]

Alpha Tauri is such a horrible name. I think I will start calling them Minardi in my own mind

 

I agree. What a stupid name. 

[autosportfan]

I agree. What a stupid name. 

 

I guess Aldebaran would be more correct ...

 

https://en.wikipedia.../wiki/Aldebaran

[AustinF1]

For once I actually hope McLaren don't change the livery too much, I think they got it pretty spot on this year. Will be disappointing to lose the Toro Rosso livery, but maybe a matte black and silver Alpha Tauri? Could look really smart. 

 

 

As for McLaren I really hope they keep the papaya and blue at least partially, I really came to love that combination and think it should be their trademark for years to come. 

Zak Brown said on Sky at Abu Dhabi that they'd be keeping the papaya and blue. 

[Beri]

We might see more green from bp and castrol as they will fork more money at Renault.

That will not happen.

[SenorSjon]

Here's a question - will Alpha Tauri be treated as a new team in terms of statistics etc, effectively starting from scratch? Usually when teams change the name without ownership changes it's only partial and the constructor name stays the same, hence still counting as the same team. But with this one would assume the constructor name changes as well. 

 

 

Statistically it will be a new constructor, a new "make" of car. When you get down to the nitty gritty of it, its the "make", the brand, the name that's counted. Usually a new constructor name comes with a change of ownership, but it doesn't have to be the case.

 

The most similar precedent would probably be the Larrousse team. They used Lola chassis initially which counted towards Lola's statistics. For 1992 their cars were Venturis. The only time their cars counted as Larrousses was from 1993 to their demise at the end of 1994.

 

Why? Sauber is now called Alfa Romeo while the ownership hasn't changed. We have a host of team names that changed during the years when sponsors came and went. We've had West McLaren-Mercedes among names or Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro (or something like that). Alpha Tauri is a clothing brand from Red Bull, so the sponsorname is the teamname again.

[PayasYouRace]

Why? Sauber is now called Alfa Romeo while the ownership hasn't changed. We have a host of team names that changed during the years when sponsors came and went. We've had West McLaren-Mercedes among names or Scuderia Ferrari Marlboro (or something like that). Alpha Tauri is a clothing brand from Red Bull, so the sponsorname is the teamname again.

Toro Rosso are changing their constructor name to Alpha Tauri, not just their team name. The cars will no longer be Toro Rossos but they’ll be Alpha Tauris.

 

Same as why the Alfa Romeo team now adds statistics to the Alfa Romeo make, and not Sauber.

[BRG]

Can't we just agree to refer to them as "Toro Rosso or whatever they're called"?

 

I'm going to call them Alfa Rosso.  No chance of confusing them with any other team, like Alpha Romeo for instance.

[loki]

I’m going to call them Half a Tory like the chap in the other thread said.  That’s what it sounds like with yall’s accents..

[Beri]

Toro Rosso are changing their constructor name to Alpha Tauri, not just their team name. The cars will no longer be Toro Rossos but they’ll be Alpha Tauris.
 
Same as why the Alfa Romeo team now adds statistics to the Alfa Romeo make, and not Sauber.

The namesake of the car will, most likely, change from the STR designation, to something AT like. "STR14" was 2019's car. "at15" or "at1" will take over for 2020 I think.

Edited by Beri, 20 December 2019 - 11:09.

[PayasYouRace]

The namesake of the car will, most likely, change from the STR designation, to something AT like. "STR14" was 2019's car. "at15" or "at1" will take over for 2020 I think.

Not what namesake means but you’re probably right.

[Beri]

Not what namesake means but you’re probably right.

Got that mixed up in my head. Thought I used the word right. Tnx.

[statman]

La Gazzetta dello Sport released an alleged image which leaked the design of the 2020 Ferrari F1 challenger. It is believed that the 2020 Ferrari project, dubbed ‘Project 671’ will be far quicker than its predecessor, the Ferrari SF90. Gazzetta claimed that Ferrari will introduce radically different wings, as well as a hydraulic damper system. The bad news for Ferrari is that the damper system will reportedly be banned in 2021, in order to create as much vertical load as possible.

Of course, since there has been no word from the Scuderia Ferrari F1 team, so the supposed leak should be taken with a pinch of salt.

 

 

[BRG]

It is believed that the 2020 Ferrari project, dubbed ‘Project 671’ will be far quicker than its predecessor

 

   make that a truck load of salt.  How can anyone know this, even the designers?  Just the usual BS from the pink paper.

[PayasYouRace]

With no regulation changes, you’d expect it would be quicker, or else the guys at the factory aren’t doing their job.

[vlado]

All of them "should" be quicker, no ? 

[Beri]

If true, then finally a decent nose.

[BRG]

All of them "should" be quicker, no ? 

It was the 'far quicker' that got my attention.  Just because it is a Ferrari doesn't mean that the Scuderia aren't about to turn out a lemon that will  make WIlliams look good.  They probably won't but until they hit the track, they and we (and definitely not Il Gazetto!) won't know for sure.

[loki]

All of them "should" be quicker, no ? 

That’s what ol’ Gunther thought a year or so ago...

[GoldenColt]

If true, then finally a decent nose.

La Gazzetta has been peddling the idea that Ferrari will finally use Mercedes's nose ever since 2015. I wouldn't bet any money on them actually doing it.

Edited by GoldenColt, 30 December 2019 - 08:20.

[LightningMcQueen]

I can confirm that Mercedes, Mclaren, Red Bull and Renault also Intend to make cars which are “far quicker” than their predecessors.. FI, HAAS Williams, Alfa and AT have decided only to make cars which are “quicker”. To make the cars “far quicker” will cost too much ahead of 2021.

Edited by LightningMcQueen, 30 December 2019 - 08:22.

[JBJ]

Lando Norris accidentally reveals 2020 McLaren livery ?

 

 

https://thejudge13.c...-mclaren-livery

 

 

 

 

[Beri]

Well, it's an IndyCar obviously. But considering the liveries last year in F1 and the Indy 500 were similar, it could very well be telling what the new livery will be.
Also the shared sponsors during the Indy 500 attempts of Alonso could indicate Klipsch becoming a sponsor to the F1 team.

[Owen]

Well, it's an IndyCar obviously. But considering the liveries last year in F1 and the Indy 500 were similar, it could very well be telling what the new livery will be.
Also the shared sponsors during the Indy 500 attempts of Alonso could indicate Klipsch becoming a sponsor to the F1 team.

Well they will be on the team headsets (for F1, 2020).

 

https://www.mclaren....sch-audio-2020/

[Burai]

Accidental leak? That car is on the show floor at the Consumer Electronics Show. Anyone with an entry pass can look at it and take photos.

 

Plus, that's very clearly the 2018 colour scheme but in matt paint.

[Beri]

Well they will be on the team headsets (for F1, 2020).

https://www.mclaren....sch-audio-2020/

I have missed this. Good catch by Woking tho.

Accidental leak? That car is on the show floor at the Consumer Electronics Show. Anyone with an entry pass can look at it and take photos.

Plus, that's very clearly the 2018 colour scheme but in matt paint.

Well it clearly isn't. As you've said it's in matte and it has a lot less blue on the backside and with it the hideous diamond shapes have disappeared. So in no way it is the same livery as in 2018.

[BobbyRicky]

All of them "should" be quicker, no ? 

 

Everyone except Williams.