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#201 pitlanepalpatine

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 18:12

Yes, we get it, Ferrari is Italian...who ****ing knew...



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#202 Diablobb81

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 18:12

Nice to see the car but embarassing presentation.

#203 Paco

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 18:13

I’m more surprised they stayed with their front concept with little change to the concept thereby setting the rest of the car to be pretty much like last year. They must have thought their chance to move ahead wasn’t aero but mechanical in nature. Be interesting now what RB and Mercedes do, if they stayed the course or deviated a bit. Hope the stubbornness pays off and not bite them being left status who or further back..

Edited by Paco, 11 February 2020 - 18:19.


#204 Paco

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 18:15

Embarrassing presentations is team revealing livery and photos and not a car. Getting a night out to present a car for hardworking staff and a bit entertainment I don’t how it’s embarrassing. At least it’s not just a bunch of stiffs standing in a warehouse saying “here it is, now you can go home or back to your offices”

Edited by Paco, 11 February 2020 - 18:16.


#205 FNG

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 18:18

Ferrari continually surprise me by managing to have one of the lousiest liveries every year. Let's paint it red and slap sponsor logos on it with no design what so ever. Love Ferrari but hate their liveries.

 

I thought they were going back to an old colour of red?



#206 Paco

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 18:23

Ferrari continually surprise me by managing to have one of the lousiest liveries every year. Let's paint it red and slap sponsor logos on it with no design what so ever. Love Ferrari but hate their liveries.

I thought they were going back to an old colour of red?


Have to agree, another lazy and boring livery. Seems all the rage and trend this year...

#207 SonGoku

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 18:25

Ferrari just doesn't care about their livery, just look at the random placement of their sponsors. A bucket of red and a few sponsor stickers thrown in there.

#208 Anja

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 18:29

Ferrari continually surprise me by managing to have one of the lousiest liveries every year. Let's paint it red and slap sponsor logos on it with no design what so ever. Love Ferrari but hate their liveries.

 

Yeah, their liveries were on a steady decline for a good while now. There doesn't seem to be any effort made to try and make it look good, just random logos everywhere and nothing more. But I personally find Ferrari branding to be pretty tacky in general, not just in F1. Not much of that famous Italian style and elegance.


Edited by Anja, 11 February 2020 - 18:34.


#209 jjcale

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 18:39

Wow, the hate is strong in this thread ....



#210 Paco

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 18:44

I think it’s need more white like their tabacco days.. at least it’s not toooo bad.

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 18:46

Wow, the hate is strong in this thread ....


Not hate. Criticism.

Some of it is justified in my opinion.

The livery is boring and the presentation was shockingly bad.

The car however looks to be a well polished article. Whether they’ve polished a turd or not remains to be seen.

#212 Beri

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 20:55

I think it’s need more white like their tabacco days.. at least it’s not toooo bad.


It is. Sorry.

#213 jey16

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 06:11

i personally don't mind the simple Ferrari livery, it's the ones where they have gone a bit nuts with white and black in random places (i.e. 2016) that look awful

 

the only change i would make is to make the front and rear wings black 

 

did we get confirmation that the red is darker? Looks the same to me



#214 Beri

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 06:16

It's darker. You can clearly notice this without any side by side comparison. It's just.. blant. I understand as to why they opted for matte. I just don't think it fits a Ferrari well.

#215 Okyo

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 06:44

The only changes to the liverie back from the 2000s up to today is the varying amount of white (the Marlboro and Santander white marks). Since forever, the only real thing we could comment on the Ferrari liveries is "oh is the red a tone darker or lighter?". 

Would really want them to experiment a bit.



#216 RA2

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 13:54

Livery hint with these colours?

 

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#217 Clrnc

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 14:00

That's a terrible livery design mock up  :rotfl:



#218 AustinF1

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 14:05

I think it’s need more white like their tabacco days.. at least it’s not toooo bad

Less white, or none at all. Black wings. Less black on the body.


Edited by AustinF1, 12 February 2020 - 14:06.


#219 SagemX

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 14:07

Looks mostly black going by twitter



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#220 AustinF1

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 14:34

Renault teaser images. Very large, so I did not embed them here...

https://imgur.com/a/fMNjyxm



#221 Rinehart

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 14:40

Looks mostly black going by twitter

It's a testing livery and only a render at that. 

Rumour is a major new sponsor is coming onboard that might require a white background for their logo...



#222 AustinF1

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 14:52

Test livery, I guess, but I'd love for this to be their actual livery.



#223 pitlanepalpatine

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 14:55

Well thank god Haas put some white and red in their livery.



#224 SenorSjon

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 14:57

It's a testing livery and only a render at that. 

Rumour is a major new sponsor is coming onboard that might require a white background for their logo...

 

The French government?



#225 Paco

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 15:03

After RB’s status quo it’s nice to see someone present something cool and nice update (hoping it stays and not just a test livery) but even still, great job on livery Renault. 1st decent one of 2020.

#226 Beri

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 15:17

It's a testing livery and only a render at that.
Rumour is a major new sponsor is coming onboard that might require a white background for their logo...


I don't buy it.

#227 rockdude101

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 15:26

I'm getting pretty hacked off with these testing liveries and rumors of liveries on previous cars to hide development, it's ridiculous. 

 

Quite frankly they should just have an FIA mandated event the day before testing where the whole grid is revealed team by team in a reasonable time length (10 teams, so 6 minutes per team for an hour show) tv event. They can even pose for the yearly 'Grid of ____ ' photo in their race suits or formal suits.

 

It's even more absurd that the FIA award show isn't televised. When was the last time we saw our drivers champion with the WDC on TV? Liberty need to sharpen up. 



#228 Otaku

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Posted 13 February 2020 - 16:00

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That one is sick :clap:  :clap: . We will never see anything like that though. Current liveries (of all teams) are crap.



#229 Paco

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Posted 13 February 2020 - 16:03

Man now McLaren dropped the ball as well. Plus, why the white black stripping the race uniform left leg and predominantly blue... what is going on with these teams and their looks. Geez.

Update: seen more pics from Garys article and it’s not white black I thought from twitter but orange blue like the stripes on the shark fin and under the rear cover... eye roll.. makes even less sense now it’s small on the car but significant on the overalls and why sooo much blue on overalls and so little on the car.

Edited by Paco, 13 February 2020 - 22:21.


#230 FirstnameLastname

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Posted 13 February 2020 - 21:35

Man now McLaren dropped the ball as well. Plus, why the white black strippingon the race uniform left leg and predominantly blue... what is going on with these teams and their looks. Geez.


I may be misremembering but I’m certain mclaren were saying they were going to do something spectacular and groundbreaking with the livery this year...

Love it or hate it, BAR/Honda are the only team to ever really produce ‘groundbreaking’ liveries.... that 1999 pick’n’mix livery, and the ‘earth car’ which would probably go down quite well these days... yet was a bit of a laughing stock at the time.

#231 PayasYouRace

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Posted 13 February 2020 - 21:42

[BAR] that 1999 pick’n’mix livery

 

I still dislike the reason we had that half and half livery. BAR were supposed to run two rather classy but different liveries for each driver. But because it was Craig Pollock and Jacques Villeneuve, Max and Bernie introduced the rule that teams had to run the same livery on both cars just to spite them.

 

We'd be better off if teams could run different liveries for each car. Not just because it would make driver identification easier. It would allow teams to cater to individual sponsors better, and also potentially attract more sponsors by having lower rates for better exposure on a single car.



#232 Paco

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Posted 13 February 2020 - 22:13

No way, I disagree turning F1 into NASCAR... the team should be all the same. Plus there’s hardly enough sponsorship to even merit it now a day unlike the bar 2 tobacco options.

There has always been nice ones it’s just teams now seem to be stuck and doing redundant stuff.. and even worse is making stuff worse after decent starts ie McLaren, RedBull and Mercedes. Ron Denis McLaren rest papaya was nice with the grey, orange and blue could be done well but everyone just done plain boring crap. Ferrari are fortunate enough with red but even they can’t make a good red one anymore.

Edited by Paco, 13 February 2020 - 22:16.


#233 PayasYouRace

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Posted 13 February 2020 - 22:30

No way, I disagree turning F1 into NASCAR... the team should be all the same.

 

How is that turning F1 into NASCAR? I just think teams should be less constrained by a rule that was brought in to spite competitors who were not in favour with those in power at the time. There's no reason to have that rule.



#234 Paco

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Posted 14 February 2020 - 02:08

How is that turning F1 into NASCAR? I just think teams should be less constrained by a rule that was brought in to spite competitors who were not in favour with those in power at the time. There's no reason to have that rule.

 

Individual cars vs TEAM CARS..

 

Plus, of all that F1 has to improve, I do not see this even in the top 20.. plus, not as if there are a tonne of sponsors where it even make sense Like BAR tried with Tobacco.  I guess RedBull could colour 2 different soda cans on their cars but oiii.. what a mess that would be.

 

Fixing tracks designs being near the top of the list so some iconic corners are hard again.

We'll see if 2021 really addressing the ability of cars to follow closer and reduce the passing delta.

Cars with crazy amounts of vortex generators.

Drivers being to corporate and loving one another.

Top 2 teams spending 2-3x more then the bottom team.

List goes on..



#235 PayasYouRace

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Posted 14 February 2020 - 07:17

Individual cars vs TEAM CARS..

 

Plus, of all that F1 has to improve, I do not see this even in the top 20.. plus, not as if there are a tonne of sponsors where it even make sense Like BAR tried with Tobacco.  I guess RedBull could colour 2 different soda cans on their cars but oiii.. what a mess that would be.

 

Fixing tracks designs being near the top of the list so some iconic corners are hard again.

We'll see if 2021 really addressing the ability of cars to follow closer and reduce the passing delta.

Cars with crazy amounts of vortex generators.

Drivers being to corporate and loving one another.

Top 2 teams spending 2-3x more then the bottom team.

List goes on..

F1 is just about the only series that has that stupid rule, and it has nothing to do with “individual cars vs. Team cars”. NASCAR has multiple car teams. So does Indycar, WEC, BTCC, SuperGT, Super Formula, Aussie Supercars, etc, etc, etc. The point is that there isn’t a ton of sponsors because they have to pay a lot more for exposure on two cars. If you could get bigger exposure on a single car than a small sticker on two it might be more attractive. Also BAR was one sponsor (BAT) advertising two brands. Alpha Tauri would be an example of another Red Bull brand that could be advertised. 

 

Maybe it isn’t a big problem in the grand scheme of F1, but that doesn’t mean it has any justification of being there. Maybe it might not even be used much, but there may be teams willing to take advantage of being allowed that freedom. Last year Williams might have been able to have a predominately Orlen livery car for Kubica for example.



#236 BRG

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Posted 14 February 2020 - 17:53

Well said PAYR.  Absolutely correct.  A pointless Bernie rule that should have been binned even as they kicked his sorry arse out of the door.  There were plenty of multiple liveries in F1 in the past and the world didn't end.



#237 BiggestBuddyLazierFan

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Posted 14 February 2020 - 18:06

That rule is so ADHD. I never understood it.

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Posted 14 February 2020 - 18:22

That one is sick :clap: :clap: . We will never see anything like that though. Current liveries (of all teams) are crap.

The yellower the better IMO! Really liked their 2016 livery.

#239 Paco

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Posted 14 February 2020 - 20:58

Finally a different livery and decent to boot. Can’t wait to see it on track. Render seems pretty slick, too bad full car wasn’t there.