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[Doug Nye]

What On Earth Is That...(again - but probably easier than some...it's late...)

 

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18 - May I wish everyone here a very Happy Christmas and a Happy, Successful, Fulfilling and Healthy New Year....

 

 

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DCN

Edited by Doug Nye, 24 December 2019 - 20:25.

[Tim Murray]

11. Either the first or second 10-lap heats of the 1967 Race of Champions. Dan Gurney (Eagle) on pole alongside John Surtees (Honda). The front row was the same for both heats.

[LittleChris]

1, Campbell Circuit at Brooklands, Voiturettes ?

2.Indy

4.Dieppe ?

5. Pedralbes ?

6.Dragoni & Parkes ?

7. Watkins Glen Dan Gurney & Graham Hill ? 

8. Brands

10. Montjuich paddock 1975. ACBC with spanner ready to do up some Armco bolts ?

12. Bobby Unser & Mario Andretti Monza 1968 ?

14 Derek Gardner with the first Tyrrell at Ockham ?

17 Von Trips somewhere in Sweden, photo courtesy of DSJ ?

18, Who he ?  

 

Happy Christmas all

Edited by LittleChris, 27 December 2019 - 11:48.

[Rob G]

I'm guessing #2 is Indy in 1909 or 1910, and I'm guessing car #11 jumped the start while car #8 stumbled.

 

Photo #4 is Louis Naudin's Sizaire-Naudin in the 1908 Grand Prix des Voiturettes at Dieppe.

[Dave Ware]

I'm sure someone will identify #8 (looks like a F5000 car to me.)  What I'm really wondering about is how many TNFers are in that picture. 

 

Best holiday wishes to everybody.  Thanks for another great year.

Dave

[Roger Clark]

As LittleChris says, numbers 16 and 17 are from a trip to the north of Sweden undertaken by Von Trips and Jenkinson in 1955. DSJ recalled the trip in October 1955. 
 

The car had finished second in a small event at Karsloga and Von Trips was required to deliver it to the Mercedes-Benz Dealer in Stockholm. He had a spare week before he had to do that so decided to take the car on a trip to the far north. DSJ jumped at the chance to accompany him. 
 

During the trip they had two punctures. After the second, having no spare tyre the drove on the rim for 15 miles before reaching a village where they effected a temporary repair that got them to a town where they were able to purchase a replacement. Picture 17 must have been taken after the second puncture. 
 

DSJ also told the story in Porsche Past and Present and A Passion for Motor Sport but the original is the best. 

[Roger Clark]

Number 8 looks like a Lotus 43 modified with a Ford V8 so presumably the aftermath of Jock Russell’s crash which wrote the car off (until it was repaired). 

[Ray Bell]

The Dan Gurney pic... No. 7...

Is that perhaps Dan with folks gathered around him after he ran out of fuel at Spa?

Otherwise I'd go with the Glen.

[Roger Clark]

Number 12B is a 1960 Grand Prix Ferrari, identifiable by the driveshaft running from left to right across the cockpit.  

 

There is a similar picture in Doug’s book Dino. The car is being rebuilt with 3-litre V12 engine after Neil Corner bought it in 1979. 

Edited by Roger Clark, 25 December 2019 - 00:16.

[Jack-the-Lad]

Great stuff, Doug.

Joyous Noël to all!

[Tim Murray]

5. Carlo Trossi - 1947 Italian GP?

[Roger Clark]

As LittleChris says, number 14 is Derek Gardner with the wooden mock up he built while designing 001. He built this at his home in Leamington Spa but I can’t say whether the picture was taken there or at Ockham. Apparently Gardner had to sell his much loved Mk VII Bentley to make room for it. 

[Stephen W]

3 = Le Mans

6 = Reims Mike Parkes & Dragoni

11 = Ritchie Ginther (Eagle-Weslake), John Surtees (Honda) and Dan Gurney (Eagle Weslake) at Brands Hatch Race of Champions

[wolf sun]

As LittleChris says, numbers 16 and 17 are from a trip to the north of Sweden undertaken by Von Trips and Jenkinson in 1955. DSJ recalled the trip in October 1955. 
 

The car had finished second in a small event at Karsloga and Von Trips was required to deliver it to the Mercedes-Benz Dealer in Stockholm. He had a spare week before he had to do that so decided to take the car on a trip to the far north. DSJ jumped at the chance to accompany him. 
 

During the trip they had two punctures. After the second, having no spare tyre the drove on the rim for 15 miles before reaching a village where they effected a temporary repair that got them to a town where they were able to purchase a replacement. Picture 17 must have been taken after the second puncture. 
 

DSJ also told the story in Porsche Past and Present and A Passion for Motor Sport but the original is the best. 

 

DSJ and von Trips also filmed some of their trip, see  the „Unearthed on youtube“ thread.

 

Frohe Weihnachten!

[doc knutsen]

Merry Christmas y'all, and thanks to Doug for a super effort. Great opportunity to put other parts of  the body than  the digestive tract to use at this time!

 

1 has to be Brooklands, and 2 Indianapolis, but way before my time. Same goes for 3 and 4, and while the Alfa in 5 is as gorgeous as any front engined sigle seater ever designed, I have no idea of driver or circuit.

6 has to be either Parkesi or a twin brother, and would that be Dragoni on the left? 7 is Gurney with wee Jimmy, but Clark has his rally jacket on which means it is not taken after both ran out of fuel at Spa in '64. The topography might suggest Watkins Glen, perhaps? 8 is a Lotus 49-ish machine with a rear subframe to hold an unfamiliar V8...it looks like Brands Hatch...and the driver would have been very lucky to walk away with that one. 9 is a collection of parts that look like some Fifties sports-racer, and the torn material of the rear section looks like fiberglass, not aluminium. American? 10 is a very fit-looking Chapman, giving lie to his nick-name of "Chunky". 11 is the front row of Race of Champions, Brands 1968, with Ginther and Gurney in the Eagle-Weslakes sandwiching Surtees in the Honda. 12 looks like Unser and Andretti taking helicopter lessons from a very Schlesseresque-looking person, while 12B...well, rear suspension initially suggested Lotus but front ditto does not, and as for that curved tubular ladder-type frame, ugh!  Tough one!  14 is Derek Gardner with the first Tyrrell tub wooden mock-up, probably at his house. 15 is an interesting monocoque with rear "horns" tapering towards the gearbox bulkhead. The size of the steering wheel suggests early Sixties, and it does seem to have rocker-arm front upper wishbones. BRP Indy effort? 16 is from the von Trips/Jenks journey way up north in Scandinavia, delivering the 300SL. The "BP Bensin" suggests either Sweden or this country (Norway) but the buildings do look more Swedish, so I suggest somewhere in Lappland. As as for the LR puncture in 17,  check out the gravel roads, which were standard fare in Scandinavia at this time and well into the Seventies,in some places.

And in 18, looking for reindeer in the Alps, might I suggest Lappland would be a better place to look for them!

[Parkesi]

#6: Dragoni / Parkes Le Mans Test Day 06.04.1963

[D-Type]

Is No 18 one of Santa's gnomes searching for an errant reindeer who got fed up with Rudolph's boasting and did a runner?

[DouglasM]

No. 8 - Brands Hatch, end of pit straight and into Paddock Hill on the inside of the circuit, behind the barrier is the road to between pits and paddock. Looks like late 1960's and a big event by the size of the crowd. I was probably out in the countryside marshaling (no fireproof suits only a woolly jumper and jeans). The photo looks familiar, the twin oil rads are very distinctive but I can't remember any details.

 

No. 9 - Oh dear! No idea but there's enough to make three or maybe four 'originals'. Looks like something after a fire-marshals training day at Brands!

 

In China and wallowing in nostalgia!

[Paul Taylor]

#8 is of course Jock Russell writing off the ex-Jim Clark Lotus 43 in the 1969 Guards 5000. Thanks for the additional image!

 

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Edited by Paul Taylor, 26 December 2019 - 04:15.

[Sterzo]

Mankind should recognise that Christmas is more than a heathen festival dedicated to Mammon – it’s a time for motor racing quizzes. Fabulous thread!

[Doug Nye]

A pleasure.  A few more then?

 

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DCN 

Edited by Doug Nye, 26 December 2019 - 11:01.

[Vitesse2]

20 H-P Müller and Karl Feuereissen, GP de l'ACF 1939.

 

21 Marseille. 1947?

 

31 Zborowski. Brooklands, with the Test Hill in the background.

[Tim Murray]

25. Mike Hawthorn’s Vanwall at Raidillon during the 1955 Belgian GP.

[Ray Bell]

Everyone seems to have 21 nailed:



With many thanks to Oscar, that one's very obvious.

[68targa]

26 - 1907 Targa Florio showing Isotta Fraschini team cars. Best placed of the four cars  was No 7D in 7th place.

 

24 - Montlhery - could be 1935 or 1934

 

19 - Not sure where this is yet but the driver of the Cooper 500 needs a cushion.

[Ray Bell]

I'm sure the driver of the car in No 23 has decided it's time to head for the workshop...

Since he fitted a six instead of a 4-cylinder engine he's come to the conclusion he needs front brakes too.

[wolf sun]

29 is Fiorano.

[Macca]

I’m wondering if 15 is the never-finished Parnell from 1968, last known to be with Tony Mantle?

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[uechtel]

#22 is very tricky:

31. August 1947 Hamburg,  City Park Race, Sports Car Class up to 1.1 l

#4 Willy von Müller, the race winner, in a Fiat, disguised as BMW

#5 Petermax Müller came third in a Volkswagen Eigenbau, the first in a row of four or five such cars...

No relationship to each other and neither to the guy in picture #20

[68targa]

Pic 27 is Albert Divo in a Talbot. Montlhery. 1927 French Grand Prix.  Presumably pulling over and retiring since he did not finish. There were only 7 starters and the race lasted for 4 hours and 45 mins . An endurance race for spectators as well as drivers one supposes.

[uechtel]

#27 more guess than knowledge: Jules Morcieau, Talbot GP, French GP 1927?

[Gary C]

Number 15......Lotus 49 R1 (?) after just being repatriated??

[68targa]

No 19 -  Performance Cars Ltd Great West Road, Brentford - 1956.  They advertised a Cooper Bristol for sale for at £1,045 and the Cooper 500 for £495.  I think the Lotus must be a Mk8 and it can be yours for £425.

[RogerFrench]

No 19 - Performance Cars Ltd Great West Road, Brentford - 1956. They advertised a Cooper Bristol for sale for at £1,045 and the Cooper 500 for £495. I think the Lotus must be a Mk8 and it can be yours for £425.

Isn't there a Mk8 and Mk10?

[Tim Murray]

PCD 13 is a Mk 10 and 918 EMK is a Mk 8.

[Emery0323]

#12 :Mario Andretti and Bobby Unser getting a helicopter ride into or out of the GP or practice at either Monza or Watkins Glen in 1968.  Probably they had to rush to get on a plane to participate in  an Indycar race.   The CYNAR sponsorship on the chopper suggests it's Monza.   Indy 500 winner Bobby Unser drove for BRM and Mario was beginning a long on-and-off association with Colin Chapman at Lotus.

Edited by Emery0323, 26 December 2019 - 20:12.

[Stephen W]

Where's #30?

[Doug Nye]

Take a cigar!  I wondered who would be first to notice that.      

 

DCN

[Vitesse2]

21 Grand Prix de Marseille - Prado Circuit - May 1947 - Enrico Plate - Maserati 4CL in the foreground

I think the closer of the other two is one of the three Écurie Gersac Delages (Louveau, Levegh or Achard), with Giraud-Cabantous' Talbot behind.

[Oneandhalf]

5. Carlo Trossi - 1947 Italian GP?

 

No doubt

[Oneandhalf]

I think the closer of the other two is one of the three Écurie Gersac Delages (Louveau, Levegh or Achard), with Giraud-Cabantous' Talbot behind.

 

My opinion both cars are Delages of Écurie Gersac. Levegh is on the fore one (he had a dark cup) and Louveau - on the aft one (Louveau had a white  'mutch'). Achard's car was slightly modified and had a pear shaped radiator cowl like 'alfettas'.   

Edited by Oneandhalf, 27 December 2019 - 20:04.

[DCapps]

No. 2 / I will see what I can do since Robert Dick inevitably beats me regarding these sorts of events....

 

4 September 1915; Fort Snelling, Minnesota; Promoter:,Twin City Motor Speedway Company; AAA Contest Board Sanction No. 836;  Twin City Motor Speedway; Twin City Motor Derby, 250 laps of 2.0 mile concrete track, 500.0 miles

 

1 / Dario Resta, Peugeot Special

2/ Gil Anderson (actually Andersen), Stutz Special

3/ Earl Cooper, Stutz Special

4 / Ralph De Palma, Mercedes Special

5 / Bob Burman, Peugeot Special

6/ Tom Alley, Ogren Special

7/ Eddie O'Donnell, Duesenberg Special

11 / Ralph Mulford, Duesenberg Special

9/ Otto Henning, Mercer Special

12 / Willie Haupt, Duesenberg Special

8 / Ora Haibe, Sebring Special (Duesenberg)

............. not shown................

14/ Barney Oldfield, Delage Special

15/ Billy Chandler, Duesenberg Special

16/ W.W. Brown, DuChesneau Special

[Michael Ferner]

#13 (12B?) must be a Ferrari chassis, but I'm struggling a bit - the coil springs look out of place. Is it a Dino V6?

[Michael Ferner]

#23 I'm wondering whether that's Glenn Breed and one of his Hudson Specials. Looks very crude, but if it is, it was very successful for its time!

[Doug Nye]

Close if caption on age-old print is correct, Michael - "Bob Burman on Hudson Special" - but I am not confident of that...

 

DCN

[DCapps]

#23 I'm wondering whether that's Glenn Breed and one of his Hudson Specials. Looks very crude, but if it is, it was very successful for its time!

 

 

Close if caption on age-old print is correct, Michael - "Bob Burman on Hudson Special" - but I am not confident of that...

 

DCN

I was wondering the same thing as Michael regarding the identity of the driver. I don't think that Breed entered any events in his Hudson Special until about August 1916 and, after a cursory look at my material, nothing pops out about Burman racing a Hudson Special. Given that Burman died in April 1916 at Corona, very likely that Michael is correct. As to where the photo was taken, it could have been Kansas, Iowa, Missouri.... However, Breed's Hudson Special was white and black or simply white until into the mid-1920s....

 

(Added) However, it certainly looks to be the sort of racing machine is use on the tracks during the era that Breed drove.

Edited by DCapps, 29 December 2019 - 16:25.

[Louism]

What On Earth Is That...(again - but probably easier than some...it's late...)

 

 

 

Fantastic pictures Doug !

This one comes from "Le Concours du Bidon de 5 Litres" (The 5 litres can contest). The race took place at La Ferté Bernard near Le Mans where Doctor Collières had the idea in 1920 of a simple challenge : driving the longest distance with 5 litres of petrol on a 12 km circuit around La Ferté Bernard at an average of 40 kph.

If you look at the left hand side of that Citroën windscreen, you will see the required external petrol tank.

 

The ACO was part of the organisation.

[Roger Clark]

#13 (12B?) must be a Ferrari chassis, but I'm struggling a bit - the coil springs look out of place. Is it a Dino V6?

I still think I was right in post #10 about that car - a 1960 Grand Prix Ferrari undergoing restoration in 1979 after Neil Corner bought it. 

[proviz]

I still think I was right in post #10 about that car - a 1960 Grand Prix Ferrari undergoing restoration in 1979 after Neil Corner bought it. 

 

 

And right you are, DCN himself has revealed as much on p. 107 of "Dino - The Little Ferrari".

[Doug Nye]

You are both right - that frame is indeed Neil's Dino 246/60 F1 frame during restoration by Crosthwaite & Gardiner - it had underpinned the V12-engined Logan Fow 'GTO' in New Zealand - to my mind an appallingly ugly travesty...yet still interesting.

 

DCN