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#1801 Ali623

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Posted 24 December 2020 - 09:20

so Michael Schmidt says that Merc is very paranoid about the floor rule changes. When it was agreed no one had time to really investigate what the best solution is, so they all go blind into this. The impact would be quite huge: applying the floor rule changes now without adjusting anything else they would drop to last currently (all according to Allison)

 

Wasn't there an article/quote a while back where Mercedes said they'd already recovered all the lost downforce from the floor change?



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#1802 ARTGP

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Posted 24 December 2020 - 09:43

Wasn't there an article/quote a while back where Mercedes said they'd already recovered all the lost downforce from the floor change?

I have a vague recollection of that too.

Not sure how old the Schmidt report is, or if Mercedes are doing the usual smoke blowing lol. It’s possible Mercedes just tell themselves this to keep themselves on their toes. Don’t want to be complacent. So act like the sky is falling after Abu Dhabi :p

Edited by ARTGP, 24 December 2020 - 09:48.


#1803 Marklar

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Posted 24 December 2020 - 10:09

with currently he meant in the current (2020) pecking order without any adjustments, of course they will have recovered something by now

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Posted 25 December 2020 - 06:06

Wasn't there an article/quote a while back where Mercedes said they'd already recovered all the lost downforce from the floor change?


This was said but don't know what the source is

#1805 ferrarista

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Posted 25 December 2020 - 09:28

This was said but don't know what the source is

the source was Nugnes at the time, I think he has been more often right with Mercedes than with Ferrari

#1806 ToniF1

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Posted 27 December 2020 - 10:45

Harder tyres might be better for Merc ?

 

As well as tweaks to the diffusers and brake ducts, the key difference will be a clampdown on the floor area of the car ahead of the rear wheel. 

The reduced area that teams are able to work with will have a dramatic change on how much airflow can be exploited to help improve downforce.

While teams are hopeful of clawing back some of their losses, Wolff has shot down any suggestion they will recover enough lap time to become even quicker in 2021.

 

I don’t think so,” he said. “The aero was cut back considerably on the floor around the tyres, and it’s going to take a while to catch up.

We’re still right in the middle of our development for next year, but I doubt we will be there quickly. In that respect, and with the tyres going a notch harder, I don’t think we will [be] near the laptimes that we have seen this year. At least not in the first half of the year.”

 

Pirelli is bringing more robust tyres for next year in a bid to prevent the kind of issues that resulted in a number of failures this season.

The new construction and compounds will be slower than teams have had over the past two years, with Williams head of vehicle performance Dave Robson thinking that the one-second drop off teams experienced testing the new tyres won’t all be clawed back.

 

Not all of it I don't think,” he said. “I'm sure once we understand them, and we look at the data properly and the aero interaction, that we can better deal with them, and I'm sure we can recover some time there.

I don't think they will be a full second slower, but I don't think we'll get all of it back. I think it's genuinely a slower tyre, which is probably not unreasonable if it's stronger and has more endurance.”

 

 

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#1807 shure

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Posted 27 December 2020 - 11:36

Harder tyres might be better for Merc ?

 

 

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I don't see anything there that says it would be better for Merc?  I only read them all being in the same boat



#1808 ToniF1

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Posted 27 December 2020 - 11:55

No, i am asking



#1809 rodlamas

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Posted 27 December 2020 - 13:59

I would say it might be better for Bottas who chews his tires normally before Hamilton does.

#1810 MJB5990

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Posted 27 December 2020 - 15:22

Merc have traditionally run better on harder tyres over the year. They don't usually gain as much as others when going onto the really soft rubber.

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Posted 27 December 2020 - 15:52

I do wonder if Mercedes will be the team to lose the most with the 10% floor reduction though. Wasn’t their concept based on having a longer car (ie more floor area) vs higher rake (like RB). Let’s see but not sure if that was discussed already.

#1812 Paco

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Posted 27 December 2020 - 16:40

Wasn't there an article/quote a while back where Mercedes said they'd already recovered all the lost downforce from the floor change?


That’s what I thought as well. That said, it may be now about the tire deficit they haven’t clawed back. Either way, seems they are just setting the media bias low as well not giving away to much RB as far as targets.

#1813 Counterbalance

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Posted 27 December 2020 - 16:45

I would say it might be better for Bottas who chews his tires normally before Hamilton does.

 

Which version of Bottas? The upcoming v.5.2.1 beta release?

 

Can't see it being an issue either way, really.



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Posted 27 December 2020 - 18:00

I do wonder if Mercedes will be the team to lose the most with the 10% floor reduction though. Wasn’t their concept based on having a longer car (ie more floor area) vs higher rake (like RB). Let’s see but not sure if that was discussed already.


If anything I’d say the cars running high rake will struggle more - how will they seal the floor without all of those slots and flicks.

Merc will lose some downforce of course but I think the high rake cars will lose downforce and have a car which is less consistent.

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Posted 02 February 2021 - 07:40

The publication has done measurements on the Silverstone circuit, which shows that the W11 has no less than 1022 HP in qualifying mode. Lewis Hamilton had that power at his disposal in the final phase of qualifying, while Valtteri Bottas could use 1020 HP according to the measurements. This makes the Mercedes engine more powerful than last year, unlike the engines of the competition.

 

Might be. But those numbers come from franco nugnes so they are very unreliable because they are based on very questionnable mesurement methods since last year.
AMuS ivestigations and estimates are more credible.


Edited by Alburaq, 02 February 2021 - 07:40.