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#1 sstiel

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Posted 01 February 2020 - 18:05

Would the Osterreichring and the Nurburgring fall into the Central Zone of the European Formula Vee championship? I need to find the right sources for that.



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#2 Rob Semmeling

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Posted 03 February 2020 - 11:40

This is from a post I made back in 2010:

 

 

The European Formula Vee Cup was arranged in four zones:

Northern Zone: Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Norway
Western Zone: Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg, France, Monaco, UK, Ireland
Middle Zone: Germany, Italy, San Marino, Austria, Switzerland, Hungary
Southern Zone: Spain, Portugal, Andorra

Each zone held preliminary rounds, the best drivers from each zone progressing to the finale races, for example held at Zolder and the Nürburgring in 1968.

 

Hope that answers your question.



#3 D-Type

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Posted 03 February 2020 - 13:16

Was there any change in the zones over the years reflecting the change in support for the formula in different countries?


Edited by D-Type, 03 February 2020 - 22:20.


#4 sstiel

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Posted 03 February 2020 - 22:05

Rob Semmeling. Thank you for that. I'm looking for European Formula Vee Cup races in 1972. Gunnar Nilsson did the Osterreichring and the Nurburgring. I have photos showing him there.



#5 Rupertlt1

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Posted 04 February 2020 - 15:44

Cadwell Park, B.A.R.C., 18 July 1971

Top of the bill is the 30-lap

British qualifying round of the

Western Zone of the 1971 Euro-

pean Formula Vee championship. 

Points leader Lucien Reyners

(Kaimann) from Belgium is

entered, as are Finn Mikko Kaza-

rowitzky (Veemax) and half a

dozen other rapid Scandinavians.

Motoring News, 15 July 1971, Page 35

 

Results:

1.— Mikko Kozarowitzky (Veemax Mk 4B) 52m 17.6s (77.44 mph)

2.— Tommy Brorsson (Hansen Mk 3)

3.— Marti Kangas (Austro Kaimann)

4.— Ron Grant (Austro)

5.— Neil Harrison (Monaco)

6.— Malcolm Horwood (CM)

Fastest lap: Kozarowitzky, 1m 42.2 (79.25 mph) new lap record 

 

Do you have any dates for 1972?

I'll see what else I can find.

 

RGDS RLT


Edited by Rupertlt1, 04 February 2020 - 16:48.


#6 Rupertlt1

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Posted 05 February 2020 - 16:30

Jochen-Rindt-Memorial am Österreichring, 9 July 1972:

 

https://www.technisc.../articleid/2440

 

#35 Gunnar Nilsson, Hansen FV:

 

https://www.technisc.../0000354766.jpg

 

https://www.technisc.../0000354891.jpg

 

https://www.technisc.../0000354897.jpg

 

#36 Keijo Rosberg, Wynn's Veemax:

 

https://www.technisc.../0000354775.jpg

 

https://www.technisc.../0000354888.jpg

 

See also:

 

Olympia-Trophäe am Salzburgring, 1 October 1972

https://www.technisc.../articleid/2441

 

RGDS RLT


Edited by Rupertlt1, 05 February 2020 - 21:45.


#7 Rupertlt1

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Posted 05 February 2020 - 17:01

1000-Kilometer-Rennen am Österreichring, 22/24 June 1973

https://www.technisc.../articleid/2588

#3 Gunnar Nilsson, Ecurie Bonnier, Lola T252, in Super Vee:

 

https://www.technisc.../0000356663.jpg

 

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Edited by Rupertlt1, 05 February 2020 - 22:55.


#8 sstiel

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Posted 07 February 2020 - 15:20

Thank you very much. 

Nurburgring 1972 is also what I'm interested in. I've been told it was the final of the European Vee championship. Thanks for the photos although I've had confirmed to me that Gunnar drove an RPB not a Hansen.


Edited by sstiel, 07 February 2020 - 15:30.


#9 Rupertlt1

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Posted 07 February 2020 - 15:48

Thank you very much. 

Nurburgring 1972 is also what I'm interested in. I've been told it was the final of the European Vee championship. Thanks for the photos although I've had confirmed to me that Gunnar drove an RPB not a Hansen.

 

Do you have any idea of a date for the Nurburgring?

 

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#10 sstiel

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Posted 07 February 2020 - 16:39

Do you have any idea of a date for the Nurburgring?

 

RGDS RLT 

 

Thanks RLT. I have some possible dates. 12/13 August 1972 or 2/3 September 1972.



#11 Rupertlt1

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Posted 07 February 2020 - 16:48

The latter date was the Eifelpokalrennen, two-heat 500kms, a round of the European 2-litre  Sportscar Championship.

 

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#12 Vitesse2

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Posted 07 February 2020 - 17:01

The latter date was the Eifelpokalrennen, two-heat 500kms, a round of the European 2-litre  Sportscar Championship.

 

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FIA Yellow Book 1972 shows an FV support race for that meeting. There's also one in the Rheinland meeting on September 24th.



#13 sstiel

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Posted 07 February 2020 - 17:18

Was the Rheinland at the Nurburgring?



#14 Vitesse2

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Posted 07 February 2020 - 18:07

Was the Rheinland at the Nurburgring?

That year, yes - although both the 1971 and 1973 events were at Hockenheim. Feature race was for touring cars, won by H-J Stuck:

 

http://www.touringca...urgring RP.html

 

The Yellow Book also says there were two sports car races, plus GT and FSV events.



#15 sstiel

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Posted 07 February 2020 - 19:35

Terrific thank you. So Gunnar may have been in one of those events at the Nurburgring. 


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#16 Rupertlt1

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Posted 08 February 2020 - 04:58

Motoring News International calendar for 1972

July 1/2 — GT Benelux Cup, Belgium, (GT, T, SP, Fl, FV, FF)

July 2 — Avus, Berlin, Germany, (3, T, GT, FSV, FV, SP, G7)

July 16 — Diepholz Aerodrome races, West Germany (T, GT, SP, G7, FV)

August 6 — Zandvoort, Holland (FV)       

August 13 — Wunstorf Aerodrome, West Germany (T, GT, SP, G7, FV, FSV, 3)

September 2/3 — Nürburgring 500km, Eifelpokal, W. Germany (T, GT, SP, FV)

September 24 — Nürburgring races (T, GT, SP, G7, FV, FSV) 

October 1 — Baden-Wurttemberg, Prize, Hockenheim, West Germany (2, SP, G7, FV)   

October 15 — Neubiberg aerodrome, West Germany, (2, 3, GT, G7, FV)    

November 26 — Hockenheim races, (3, T, GT, SP, G7, FV, FSV, FF)

 

These are the FV races for the second half of the year.

 

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#17 Rob Semmeling

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Posted 08 February 2020 - 13:41

Formula Vee and Super Vee results for Gunnar Nilsson:


Rhein-Pokal-Rennen, Hockenheim, 10.06.1972

Formula Vee 1300:

1. Tommy Brorsson (Hansen)
2. Walter Raus (BP Kaimann)
3. Karl-Heinz Schramm (Kaimann)
4. Hans-Gunnar Nilsson (RPB) (sic!)

HMSC-Flugplatz-Rennen, Mainz-Finthen, 18.06.1972

Formula Vee 1300:

1. Tommy Brorsson (Hansen)
2. Hans Nilsson (RPB) (sic!)
3. Karl-Heinz Schramm (Kaimann)

Solitude-Pokal-Rennen, Hockenheim, 16.07.1972

Formula Vee 1300:

1. Tommy Brorsson (Hansen)
2. Walter Raus (BP Kaimann)
3. Karl-Heinz Schramm (Austro Kaimann)
4. Franz Giger (Giger)
5. Heinz Machon (BP Kaimann)
6. Gunnar Nilsson (RPB)

Herbstpokal-Rennen, Hockenheim, 15.10.1972

Formula Vee 1300:

DNF Gunnar Nilsson (RPB)

AvD-Deutschland-Trophäe, Hockenheim, 08.04.1973

Formula Vee 1600:

1. Freddy Kottulinski (Lola)
2. Kenneth Persson (Kaimann)
3. Gunnar Nilsson (Lola)

Rhein-Pokal-Rennen, Hockenheim, 17.06.1973

Formula Vee 1600:

1. Helmut Koinigg (BP Kaimann)
2. Manfred Trint (ATS Lola)
3. Kenneth Persson (BP Kaimann)
4. Bertram Schäfer (Lola)
5. Freddy Kottulinski (Lola)
6. Gunnar Nilsson (Lola)

Flugplatzrennen Diepholz, 15.07.1973

Formula Vee 1600:

DNF Gunnar Nilsson (Lola)

Grosser Preis von Deutschland / AvD-Deutschland-Pokal, Nürburgring, 05.08.1973

Formula Vee 1600:

1. Freddy Kottulinski (Lola)
2. Kenneth Persson (Kaimann)
3. Bertil Roos (Supernova)
4. Helmut Koinigg (Kaimann)
5. Tommy Brorsson (Kaimann)
6. Gunnar Nilsson (Lola)

500-km-Eifelpokal-Rennen, Nürburgring, 02.09.1973

Formula Vee 1600:

1. Helmut Koinigg (Kaimann)
2. Gunnar Nilsson (Lola



#18 sstiel

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Posted 08 February 2020 - 19:22

Rob Semmeling. Terrific, thank you. and where did you find those results? I have a photo of Gunnar in the RPB at the Nurburgring. I can send that to you. Thank you.



#19 Rob Semmeling

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Posted 09 February 2020 - 12:08

These results are from the ONS Mitteilungen.



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#20 sstiel

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Posted 09 February 2020 - 12:18

ONS Mittellungen? The bulletin of the German automobile club?



#21 sstiel

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Posted 09 February 2020 - 12:20

Thank you Rob Semmeling. Here's a link to the photograph of Gunnar in the RPB at the Nurburgring: https://www.facebook...&type=3



#22 Rupertlt1

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Posted 09 February 2020 - 12:46

Simon,

 

You asked on Facebook whether FV supported the 1000kms - for 28 May 1972 (SP, GT, T) so not.

 

But 21 May 1972 "Silberschild" - Nürburgring races, Germany, (T, GT, SP, 3, G7, FSV, FV)

 

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#23 sstiel

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Posted 09 February 2020 - 17:32

Thank you Rupertlt1 Just trying to pin down when Gunnar was there! I have a photo of him there.



#24 eukie

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Posted 09 February 2020 - 20:48

Nilsson appears in the programme for the FV1300 race at the Nürburgring 500 KM, September 2/3 1972: #32, RPB - so this might fit with the photo. No trace of him in the results (ONS Mitteilungen 12/1972; race report in rallye racing 10/1972), so maybe DNS or DNQ?



#25 sstiel

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Posted 09 February 2020 - 22:11

Thank you very much eukie. I'll have to find out why. I did speak to Jens Hansen about it and Gunnar had an accident that may have stopped him participating in the race. I'll have to find a good race report about it.


Edited by sstiel, 09 February 2020 - 22:41.


#26 sstiel

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Posted 10 February 2020 - 14:00

Where would be good places to look for Formula Vau Express and the other newspapers?



#27 Rupertlt1

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 12:24

"Last year's US Super Vee

champion Bill Scott has swapped

his Lola for a Royale RP14 and

will be taking it to Hockenheim

on April 16 to contest the

"World" Super Vee Challenge

Race. Tony Roberts will also be

seen in a similar car at this meet-

ing, his power coming from a

Broadspeed tweaked motor."

Motoring News, 30 March 1972, Page 19

 

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Edited by Rupertlt1, 12 February 2020 - 22:28.


#28 GazChed

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 20:52

A few anomalies in that last post Rupert. Bill Scott was U.S. Formula Super Vee champion in 1971 and 1972 but driving Royales, RP9 and RP14 respectively. Also modern Ralts didn't appear until 1975 with the RT1 which carried on until 1978 in various forms. The RT4 was the early eighties Formula Atlantic model, the RT5 being the Formula Super Vee model which would have raced in 1982 but not 1972.

#29 Rupertlt1

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 22:27

A few anomalies in that last post Rupert. Bill Scott was U.S. Formula Super Vee champion in 1971 and 1972 but driving Royales, RP9 and RP14 respectively. Also modern Ralts didn't appear until 1975 with the RT1 which carried on until 1978 in various forms. The RT4 was the early eighties Formula Atlantic model, the RT5 being the Formula Super Vee model which would have raced in 1982 but not 1972.

 

You are quite right — I've amended the quote.

 

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#30 Michael Ferner

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Posted 13 February 2020 - 12:41

Ahh, you can't do that! Now, RT4 owners can no longer claim that their car was eligible for 1972 Super Vee because they "read it on the internet" :rolleyes: :rolleyes:



#31 sstiel

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Posted 17 February 2020 - 14:01

I know Motoring News and Autosport sometimes reported on Formula Super Vee races. I was wondering what the best ones for the Castrol GTX and the Gold Pokal championships.



#32 proviz

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Posted 17 February 2020 - 14:20

If you look for a regular publication that covered them all, German Sport Auto might be your best bet. The reports were often brief though, so there would not necessarily be any mention of Gunnar if he didn't have a prominent role in a particular race.