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#151 TomNokoe

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 18:35

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#152 Quickshifter

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 18:47

When the car had some solid positives there is no point tearing the car upside down especially when regulations are stable and 2021 is an all new era for f1. Not much room to play with front wing with these regulations.

 

Race pace is where if feel Ferrari have focused. How much downforce the car generates is impossible to decipher looking from the outside which is what dictates race pace. The car needs to have having a wider operating window in terms of different downforce configurations, track surfaces, temperatures, track layouts and wind conditions to be an alrounder which is what Mercedes was last season and Ferrari need to do this season. Like always won't be until the first few races till we figure out who has the best overall package.


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#153 TF110

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 18:49

Still using that goofy thumb nose. Hope it's quick. Would be nice to see a 3-way fight with these guys, Merc and RB. Notice how high the front of the bargeboard area is directly behind the front suspension.



#154 Paco

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 18:49

Hard to judge until we what RB and Mercedes come out with it.

#155 Cornholio

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 18:52

Approve of the number font, seems to resemble the 1981-1996 one (probably not exactly, but still)



#156 maximilian

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 18:57

Never ceases to amaze me how ugly F1 cars are these days. 

 

That flat nose with the abrupt ramp down and the little penis.

 

The obscenely long wheelbase.

 

That  completely unnecessary fin-thingy.

 

The ludicrously 2-point attached over-complexified front wing.

 

The stupid bargeboard and other aero appendices that clutter up the sides.

 

Ugh.



#157 Sunnny

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 19:05

Looks like a car with bad tattos. Whereas the people who do the design and paint job on RBR are on another level



#158 Shade

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 19:09

This is the year that Ferrari has to protect Michael's 7 title legacy from a rampaging Lewis-Merc combo.



#159 derstatic

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 19:18

Do we think this is the actual FW? Looks very similar to last year's which wasn't fantastic. Had expected, maybe not a full merc concept, but more load at the wingtips. 



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#160 Astandahl

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 19:28

Wings will clearly change after testing. Hopefully is gonna be like 2017 were ( almost ) everything worked well.


Edited by Astandahl, 11 February 2020 - 19:37.


#161 R Soul

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 19:30

Looks long



#162 Goron3

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 19:32

This is the year that Ferrari has to protect Michael's 7 title legacy from a rampaging Lewis-Merc combo.

Agreed. I expect this to be on the mind of people at Maranello, too.

 

Obviously it's just a reveal car but I already like it. Increased complexity where it counts, *much* more rake and the front wing, which was a huge qualifying differentiator, stays on the car.

 

Let's hope the PU gains are good too.



#163 Seanspeed

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 19:37

Do we think this is the actual FW? Looks very similar to last year's which wasn't fantastic. Had expected, maybe not a full merc concept, but more load at the wingtips. 

There's really not a whole lot you can do with the front wing anymore.  And we dont really know how good/bad the front wing was last year.  Having a better front end can come from a number of different aspects. 



#164 Dolph

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 19:38

This is the year that Ferrari has to protect Michael's 7 title legacy from a rampaging Lewis-Merc combo.

 

? But he won just 5 with Ferrari. The other 2 were Benetton



#165 GAZF1nut

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 19:43

There's really not a whole lot you can do with the front wing anymore.  And we dont really know how good/bad the front wing was last year.  Having a better front end can come from a number of different aspects. 

Im fairly sure Mercedes were  trying to work towards the out wash fw design anyway, so obviously there’s benefits to be had.



#166 LightningMcQueen

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 19:44

I think the sidepod inlets are bigger, and the sidepods seem a little wider than last year, at least at the front(when viewed from the front). So it does seem to have come with some compromises. But I'd rather see them take a different, new approach rather than continue with what they were doing before, which was just never quite good enough.


Think the car looks great..in regard to your last sentence.. in my opinion it’s becuase farrago has lost the ability to lead.. it’s always - Red Bull Style sidepods. Marcedes style ... bla

Of course that statement isn’t 100% accurate, but I always get the feeling Ferraro are slightly behind the curve - following more than they should be..and then throwing massive amount of money at it to catch up..

#167 GAZF1nut

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 20:06

Think the car looks great..in regard to your last sentence.. in my opinion it’s becuase farrago has lost the ability to lead.. it’s always - Red Bull Style sidepods. Marcedes style ... bla

Of course that statement isn’t 100% accurate, but I always get the feeling Ferraro are slightly behind the curve - following more than they should be..and then throwing massive amount of money at it to catch up..

Same could be said of Mercedes and red bull then, the latter clearly started copying some of our concepts through 2017. Taking inspiration from others has always been part and parcel of F1, always has and always will be.



#168 PayasYouRace

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 20:11

Looks quite compact at the back. Hopefully it's competitive out of the box and can make a fight of the championship. Like the 80s/90s numbers.

 

 

That flat nose with the abrupt ramp down and the little penis.

 

The obscenely long wheelbase.

 

That  completely unnecessary fin-thingy.

 

The ludicrously 2-point attached over-complexified front wing.

 

The stupid bargeboard and other aero appendices that clutter up the sides.

 

Ugh.

 

The thing is most of those features are just what works, though in some cases the regulations influence them.

 

The high monocoque is advantageous because it gets more air under the nose, so obviously teams will persue that. Before the lower nose regulations were brought in the nosecones were almost at driver's eye level. The actualy nose tip design is again obviously one that works, judging by how many teams use it. But it's not forced on the teams as Mercedes have never used it.

 

The long wheelbase (which having stood next to these cars in real life recently doesn't actually seem so ridiculous. Photos make it look worse.) is again just a performance thing.

 

The fins are not unnecessary but add longitudinal stability, which is why the teams still put them on.

 

At least the front wings will be majorly simplified for next year. So will the bargeboards.



#169 Astandahl

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 20:16

https://www.f1analis...?refresh_ce=510



#170 TomNokoe

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 20:19

No idea where Gianluca has found this picture... seriously crazy

 

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It's a still image from this video


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#171 LightningMcQueen

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 20:29

Same could be said of Mercedes and red bull then, the latter clearly started copying some of our concepts through 2017. Taking inspiration from others has always been part and parcel of F1, always has and always will be.


Of course and agree, but I’d say that Ferrari have been a little behind the curve in recent years , they should be at the forefront more often than not .. I think that’s been played out by results..

#172 SonGoku

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 20:33

Red Bull and Merc also copied a lot of Ferrari, especially since the 2017 Ferrari. Merc is a bit the outsider compared to RBR/Ferrari, because of a totally different low rake concept vs high rake.

#173 Paco

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 20:38

Never ceases to amaze me how ugly F1 cars are these days.

That flat nose with the abrupt ramp down and the little penis.

The obscenely long wheelbase.

That completely unnecessary fin-thingy.

The ludicrously 2-point attached over-complexified front wing.

The stupid bargeboard and other aero appendices that clutter up the sides.

Ugh.

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Yup on all accounts. Cars were nicer before super computers and cfd software. It’s getting out of hand again like the x wings etc era.

#174 GAZF1nut

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 20:39

Anyone able to translate? Google translate is very unreliable 



#175 nemanja

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 20:40

https://www.f1analis...refresh_ce=5976

 

The internal part where the gearbox resides is very interesting. This component has been miniaturized for aerodynamic and weight issues. A 40 mm shortening of the transmission has been associated with a 20 mm increase in the flat bottom for a more efficient generation of downforce. In short, moving the rear train of the car backwards the pitch of the SF1000 is 20 mm shorter. To which a more pronounced rake set-up will be associated.



#176 nemanja

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 20:42

https://maxf1.net/en...on-with-sf1000/



#177 Spillage

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 20:42

Still using that goofy thumb nose. Hope it's quick. Would be nice to see a 3-way fight with these guys, Merc and RB. Notice how high the front of the bargeboard area is directly behind the front suspension.

Yeah, I don't like the nose aesthetically. Still, if it's quick I won't care what it looks like.

#178 nemanja

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 20:51

9GhhXSn.pngSF90 vs SF1000

 

10mm shorter wheelbase according to Giorgio Piola.


Edited by nemanja, 11 February 2020 - 20:59.


#179 PayasYouRace

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 20:52

So what is it about Ferrari and not being able to keep a sequence of numbers going for more than a couple of years? Why is it called the SF1000?



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#180 nemanja

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 20:54

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#181 Goron3

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 20:54

Wow, that side on shot is very impressive. It goes to show how underdeveloped the car was last year in that mid-section.

 

One thing I've noticed though is that the car doesn't actually have any more rake than last year (at least from those above images).



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Posted 11 February 2020 - 20:58

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#183 DeKnyff

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 21:03

So what is it about Ferrari and not being able to keep a sequence of numbers going for more than a couple of years? Why is it called the SF1000?

1000 Formula 1 races



#184 PayasYouRace

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 21:06

1000 Formula 1 races

 

So that should have been last year's car, surely?



#185 JHSingo

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 21:08

Why is it called the SF1000?

It's a reference to the number of strategy errors they'll make this season. Or a tribute to the number of races they've pissed away in recent years. Or how many more years it will be till Ferrari wins another championship.

 

Or maybe even all of those?



#186 DeKnyff

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 21:08

So that should have been last year's car, surely?

See my post #142 in this thread.



#187 PayasYouRace

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 21:10

See my post #142 in this thread.

 

Yeah that makes sense. Forix has them on 991 starts.



#188 Beri

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 21:15

This is the year that Ferrari has to protect Michael's 7 title legacy from a rampaging Lewis-Merc combo.


No worries, Red Bull and Verstappen will.

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 21:28

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#190 MasterOfCoin

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 22:47

It would be hilarious if the SF1000 and the W11 end up looking very similar....



#191 FNG

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 23:27

Good on Ferrari for developing the barge board area but how in the hell can  F1 be serious about making the cars more easier to follow and leave that garbage on there? How hard is it to just say no barge boards or any appendages in that area at all? Done! It's not effin' hard!!!



#192 K20a

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Posted 11 February 2020 - 23:57

Good on Ferrari for developing the barge board area but how in the hell can F1 be serious about making the cars more easier to follow and leave that garbage on there? How hard is it to just say no barge boards or any appendages in that area at all? Done! It's not effin' hard!!!


You're in for a treat in 2021!

I totally agree.

#193 kumo7

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 02:18

Looks long

 

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Ferrari has got a new wing car. The front end of the floor is shaped like a wing... 



#194 Clrnc

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 05:40

The barge board is the place where most changes has taken place and the side pods are a little shorter but size is almost the same. Shorter wheelbase too.

 

 

It is way too early for this kind of posts. You should re-post it around August-September when Ferrari will win races despite being 200 points behind.

Nah, Ferrari had the fastest car for a lot of the races early on when Mercedes won due to their own tactical error or driver's mistakes (Bahrain excluded since its a mechanical failure) and late on when they had that crazy run of pole positions but only converted a few due to tactical errors and driver infighting. They could have won the championship. 



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Posted 12 February 2020 - 05:54

its the 2019 front wing although Binotto said not to expect any significant changes in that area as they will be sticking with the same concept



#196 Shade

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 07:09

The barge board is the place where most changes has taken place and the side pods are a little shorter but size is almost the same. Shorter wheelbase too.


Nah, Ferrari had the fastest car for a lot of the races early on when Mercedes won due to their own tactical error or driver's mistakes (Bahrain excluded since its a mechanical failure) and late on when they had that crazy run of pole positions but only converted a few due to tactical errors and driver infighting. They could have won the championship.


Ummm...
Okay.

#197 Kimiraikkonen

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 08:24

For me looks good, but it have some parts as a Mercedes last year's car.

We'll see in Barca.

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 09:49

Can anyone do a side by side comparison between last year and this year's car?

 

Physically, the biggest giveaway is the horns on the airbox. The rest have perhaps 4-5 places looks slightly different. To a naked eye, looks same as last year. 

 

I'm just worried about the FW. 



#199 Astandahl

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 09:53

Can anyone do a side by side comparison between last year and this year's car?

 

Physically, the biggest giveaway is the horns on the airbox. The rest have perhaps 4-5 places looks slightly different. To a naked eye, looks same as last year. 

 

I'm just worried about the FW. 

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#200 Rinehart

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 09:59

Never ceases to amaze me how ugly F1 cars are these days. 

 

That flat nose with the abrupt ramp down and the little penis.

 

The obscenely long wheelbase.

 

That  completely unnecessary fin-thingy.

 

The ludicrously 2-point attached over-complexified front wing.

 

The stupid bargeboard and other aero appendices that clutter up the sides.

 

Ugh.

Totally agree. Far too long with way too many ugly appendages. What is the road relevance in aerodynamic parts that resemble the marriage of a sex toy and a combine harvester.