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#101 Danyy

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 17:40

I love the slim nose it looks very Adrian Newey!

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#102 Talisman

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 17:45

Wow that’s is beyond hideous pig nose...

 

It will be beautiful if it wins.

 

Any news on the shakedown? 



#103 Danyy

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 17:47

It will be beautiful if it wins.
 
Any news on the shakedown?

Went well according to Max.
https://twitter.com/...4367693825?s=21

#104 SagemX

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 17:50

I don't see a pig nose, I see a very happy face =D



#105 Danyy

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 17:51

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#106 TTM0TION

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 18:15

Doesn't the Aston name leave now that Stroll bought AM and RP?



#107 Ivanhoe

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 18:16

Doesn't the Aston name leave now that Stroll bought AM and RP?

Next season



#108 Ivanhoe

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 18:22

Went well according to Max.
https://twitter.com/...4367693825?s=21

I heard him even say he was “very positive”. Like Max, can’t wait for Barcelona.



#109 Danyy

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 18:34

Yeah it’s always nice to hear when a car is born well. I can hardly wait myself.

#110 A3

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 18:41

https://i.imgur.com/E51HwfN.jpg


Nice. Really shows how extremely tight it's packaged.

Look how much of the rear suspension you can see.

 

For comparison:
https://www.grandpri...B15_FRONT-1.jpg

 

Found this via f1technical:

https://pbs.twimg.co...=jpg&name=large


Edited by A3, 12 February 2020 - 18:50.


#111 Danyy

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 19:07

Also look how the rear suspension is shaped
https://twitter.com/...9235535872?s=21

#112 JBJ

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 19:20

comparison 15 vs 16 somehow i cannot show

 

https://pbs.twimg.co...=jpg&name=large

 

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edit the URL to >> https://pbs.twimg.co...bXpXsAA1PKT.jpg



#113 TTM0TION

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 19:23

Amazing how much is going on right there lol.



#114 Ivanhoe

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 19:25

The RB15’s rear end looks bulky in comparison.



#115 boomn

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 19:34

Wow that’s is beyond hideous pig nose...

Imagine if they put Aston Martin style "lipstick" on the little opening in the nose!



#116 OO7

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 20:14

Also look how the rear suspension is shaped
https://twitter.com/...9235535872?s=21

They've taken quite a few cues from Mercedes.  Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery.



#117 amardeep

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 20:35

Wow, he didn't spare the horses on the first ever exit of the car from the garage !



#118 f1rules

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 20:37

thanks! i didnt know that trick, the first one i posted is the 14vs16, someone named the picture wrong

 

here is the correct one 15 vs 16

 

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Edited by f1rules, 12 February 2020 - 20:39.


#119 Zerobyte

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 20:56

I am very hyped :clap:

This year it has to happen, and I hope for a very exciting 2020.



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#120 Marklar

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 21:00

https://twitter.com/...697763057569792



#121 Ivanhoe

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 21:05

Can I say, it looks planted?



#122 Danyy

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 21:07

Can I say, it looks planted?


And powerful
https://twitter.com/...3465925634?s=21

#123 Heyli

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 21:08

Can I say, it looks planted?

On a straight line? Most definitely!



#124 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 21:15

the rear reminds me a lot of the way Mercedes managed to pack things last year. That car (and this one from RB) look incredibly tight at the rear end.  That's always a good sign



#125 Ivanhoe

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 21:27

Notice the difference in size of the brake ducts
 

thanks! i didnt know that trick, the first one i posted is the 14vs16, someone named the picture wrong

 

here is the correct one 15 vs 16

 

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#126 zibby43

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 21:41

Sidepod design copied from Mercedes.

 

In what way? 

 

Mercedes was the lone team to still retain a traditional sidepod location last year, whereas every other team opted for the "high-top" Ferrari-style sidepods introduced on the SF70H in 2017. 

 

This is just is an evolution of that same high-top sidepod design, which Red Bull already had last year (and Mercedes did not, but is expected to adopt this year judging from the seat fitting photos). 


Edited by zibby43, 12 February 2020 - 21:42.


#127 MasterOfCoin

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 22:55

In what way? 

 

Mercedes was the lone team to still retain a traditional sidepod location last year, whereas every other team opted for the "high-top" Ferrari-style sidepods introduced on the SF70H in 2017. 

 

This is just is an evolution of that same high-top sidepod design, which Red Bull already had last year (and Mercedes did not, but is expected to adopt this year judging from the seat fitting photos). 

I think he meant the area behind the inlets where it tapers towards the floor......



#128 Seanspeed

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 23:48

Their aero and packaging was already so extreme in 2019, it's unsurprising this new car is only some evolution. Red Bull have proven over and over that they dont need massive revolution to be incredibly competitive.  All they need is Adrian Newey and a concept that all works in perfect concert. 



#129 Danyy

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Posted 12 February 2020 - 23:59

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#130 Danyy

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Posted 13 February 2020 - 00:00

Notice the difference in size of the brake ducts


Placeholders or something more going on is the question

#131 Danyy

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Posted 13 February 2020 - 02:20



#132 vlado

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Posted 13 February 2020 - 02:49

^ very nice... they are all buzzing 



#133 kumo7

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Posted 13 February 2020 - 04:35

well hope this car will not beat its own engine too hard...  :up:



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Posted 13 February 2020 - 04:36

Good luck for Max, I hope he now has got the machinery that allow him to beat Hamilton regularly.

Max for WDC!



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Posted 13 February 2020 - 06:44

as somebody has mentioned here or in the speculation thread already, the rb16 is way bulkier in the air horn area than the ferrari. it has been that way last season already, but by the looks of it, the difference has gotten bigger.

 

any ideas on this?

 - does the ferrari simply have a smaller pu than honda?

 - is the slim air horn area beneficial at all? what does it do? does it stream the air to the rear wing better?

 - have rbr deliberately gone for another concept (e.g. they prefer an air stream below the side pots) or is their air horn area necessary?


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#136 SenorSjon

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Posted 13 February 2020 - 08:19

Perhaps they funnel heat away better like that? If so, they could slim down other areas where there is more gain. Could also be that the halo gives some dead spots so the size of the airbox matters less and so they can give the engine more air to breathe.



#137 Cliff

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Posted 13 February 2020 - 08:38

as somebody has mentioned here or in the speculation thread already, the rb16 is way bulkier in the air horn area than the ferrari. it has been that way last season already, but by the looks of it, the difference has gotten bigger.

 

any ideas on this?

 - does the ferrari simply have a smaller pu than honda?

 - is the slim air horn area beneficial at all? what does it do? does it stream the air to the rear wing better?

 - have rbr deliberately gone for another concept (e.g. they prefer an air stream below the side pots) or is their air horn area necessary?

 

The Red Bull is way smaller around and below the sidepods. It's probably just a different way of packaging the cooling stuff. RB probably thinks they can create more DF this way.



#138 JBJ

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Posted 13 February 2020 - 08:38

as somebody has mentioned here or in the speculation thread already, the rb16 is way bulkier in the air horn area than the ferrari. it has been that way last season already, but by the looks of it, the difference has gotten bigger.

 

any ideas on this?

 

 - is the slim air horn area beneficial at all? what does it do? does it stream the air to the rear wing better?

 

Iḿ guessing it has something tot do with the air from the HALO



#139 ElectricBoogie

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Posted 13 February 2020 - 11:47

With a high downforce car you forfeit only a few high speed races, maybe. But in the other races you'd be more likely to get wins.
Their star driver got his first win by fending off a faster Ferrari (even on lap time) in his surprise first GP with the team. Straight line deficit is something this team can work with.

Perhaps faith in Honda closing up more in raw power helped them err more on the downforce side, even if it costs them efficiency early on.

Let's hope it can deal with dirty air well or doesn't get to have it as often anymore.



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#140 Unicast

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Posted 13 February 2020 - 11:49

I also like it and I'm a Ferrari fan  :up:

I think RedBull will be super strong this year and definetly contenders for wins and the WDC with Verstapen.


Edited by Unicast, 13 February 2020 - 11:50.


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Posted 13 February 2020 - 11:52

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#142 JimmyTheFox

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Posted 13 February 2020 - 11:55

as somebody has mentioned here or in the speculation thread already, the rb16 is way bulkier in the air horn area than the ferrari. it has been that way last season already, but by the looks of it, the difference has gotten bigger.

any ideas on this?



Both Honda runners have different cooling configs, Red Bull chose to have the radiator on top of the engine, Toro Rosso at the side

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#143 CrashPad

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Posted 13 February 2020 - 12:00

I am very tempted to put some money on Verstappen clinching the title this year. Don't really see any reason why RBR couldn't take it to the Merc this year. Not after seeing Gasly outdrag Lewis up the hill at Interlagos last year.



#144 w1Y

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Posted 13 February 2020 - 12:47

I am very tempted to put some money on Verstappen clinching the title this year. Don't really see any reason why RBR couldn't take it to the Merc this year. Not after seeing Gasly outdrag Lewis up the hill at Interlagos last year.


Feels like aa solid bet. Still think Ferrari are going to be the main threat though. Max is a difference maker.

#145 Pimpwerx

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Posted 13 February 2020 - 12:53

I love the slim nose it looks very Adrian Newey!

As far as the slender profile of the nose, it looks like they went the W10 route. This season looks like we're going to see a convergence of different ideas used by the different teams. I'm eager to see which RB and Ferrari ideas Merc applies to the W11.

 

I gotta say, the RB16 looks nice going into testing. I miss the camo livery, but at least this year there won't be disappointment from them ditching the camo.



#146 oli4

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Posted 13 February 2020 - 12:55

I am very tempted to put some money on Verstappen clinching the title this year. Don't really see any reason why RBR couldn't take it to the Merc this year. Not after seeing Gasly outdrag Lewis up the hill at Interlagos last year.

 

Depends on the odds. Anything above 3/1 is a good bet i guess.



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Posted 13 February 2020 - 13:19

The Red Bull is way smaller around and below the sidepods. It's probably just a different way of packaging the cooling stuff. RB probably thinks they can create more DF this way.

 

Yes, exactly this. Red Bull think they can generate more downforce from the floor by having smaller sidepods. The compromise they have to make is having a higher CoG due to moving cooling components higher up in the car. 



#148 Goron3

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Posted 13 February 2020 - 16:07

Red Bull tested a Ferrari-esque outwash front wing in Brazil last year, correct? Does the FW on the car that ran at Silverstone yesterday take inspiration from Ferrari's outwash concept? Or is it similar to Merc's like last year?



#149 Danyy

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Posted 13 February 2020 - 19:56

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#150 OO7

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Posted 13 February 2020 - 20:15

The work around the bargeboards and rear brake ducts looks impressive.