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#51 danstheman

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Posted 14 February 2020 - 20:19

Ocon has taken a few 'secrets' and other knowledge with him from Mercedes - apparently has been able to give input into this year's car despite only joining at post-season Abu Dhabi test

 

May explain what seems to be a Merc style nose



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#52 Danyy

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Posted 14 February 2020 - 20:23

Ocon has taken a few 'secrets' and other knowledge with him from Mercedes - apparently has been able to give input into this year's car despite only joining at post-season Abu Dhabi test
 
May explain what seems to be a Merc style nose


Ocon to Renault “Guys I’ve spent some time at Mercedes and you’ll never guess what, they have a completely different nose!”

#53 Fatgadget

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Posted 14 February 2020 - 20:32

Ocon has taken a few 'secrets' and other knowledge with him from Mercedes - apparently has been able to give input into this year's car despite only joining at post-season Abu Dhabi test

 

May explain what seems to be a Merc style nose

 Cross-pollination of ideas is the way of the world since time immemorial. It would be daft not copying someone else's  successful ideas...And nowt wrong with it unless infringing copyrights of course.
 



#54 eREr

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Posted 14 February 2020 - 22:09

Some (most) of you will be disappointed, but:
https://twitter.com/...0006585346?s=09

#55 eREr

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Posted 14 February 2020 - 22:10

Ocon:
“So, now it’s exciting times, because – you didn’t see it much here [at the launch], but it is pretty different. Since a couple of years the guys at the factory, they say it’s probably the biggest step since three or four years.”

https://www.planetf1...ocon-renault-2/

Edited by eREr, 14 February 2020 - 22:12.


#56 eREr

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Posted 14 February 2020 - 22:19

Under-playing expectations is one thing but this is some bad PR Renault could have done without. They say avoiding social media analysis is the reason for not showing their car yet have stirred up an unnecessary social media ridicule by doing a "fake" launch.

They should have either released the renders like many teams do or not other doing anything and launched the car in preseason testing instead they organize an event about something which does not exist in the event inviting unnecessary media scrutiny and social media ridicule. I am not going to speculate as to the competitiveness of the car just that the official noises coming from Renault appear to be one of having given up 2020 even before the season has begun.


It is better not to underestimate your closest opponent. I know that you think Mc has the best engineers, talents, ideas, drivers, structure of the universe, but we will see soon who has the better package.

#57 Alburaq

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Posted 16 February 2020 - 15:31

At the presentation RIC said this https://www.formula1...Kl8JxsMw4P.html (he didn't see the car yet, but he knew that, on the front, a lot of work has been done on the nose, 'the structure', the design etc)

So only Ocon saw the car (renders of the lauch/wintertesting spec? or did he see the wind tunnel model, at a more advanced development stage?) 


Edited by Alburaq, 16 February 2020 - 15:45.


#58 Paco

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Posted 16 February 2020 - 16:06

At the presentation RIC said this https://www.formula1...Kl8JxsMw4P.html (he didn't see the car yet, but he knew that, on the front, a lot of work has been done on the nose, 'the structure', the design etc)
So only Ocon saw the car (renders of the lauch/wintertesting spec? or did he see the wind tunnel model, at a more advanced development stage?)

Mercedes mule or Renault perhaps and expectedly so... seems they wanted feedback on its comparison to what he was allowed to say to Renault and prob not allow via shrugs etc and body language.. considering they’ll stop pretty early on 2020 developing it’s prob all good but really surprised DR been so far removed from the factory considering he was suppose to the team leader and breathing fresh air into the team.. maybe it’s a French thing and how they approach team dynamics (not an insult jus I’m aware the French can do things ina very regimented way and self internal proud not looking for outside help) . still surprised..

Edited by Paco, 16 February 2020 - 16:07.


#59 eREr

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Posted 17 February 2020 - 08:53

Shakedown (filming day) is ongoing, RS20 is on the track:

 

https://pbs.twimg.co...S1ru?format=jpg



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Posted 17 February 2020 - 08:59

How disappointing. I thought, from the teamwear, we were going to see 70's style flashes of white. 



#61 eREr

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Posted 17 February 2020 - 09:20

How disappointing. I thought, from the teamwear, we were going to see 70's style flashes of white. 

 

I can see only black and WHITE colours on the given pic. :D



#62 eREr

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Posted 17 February 2020 - 09:43

The thing in motion with sound:

https://twitter.com/...338773059710976

 

I feel there are lots of disappointed people here that the car is already running on track instead of waiting in Enstone still to be built.



#63 Anja

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Posted 17 February 2020 - 09:48

How disappointing. I thought, from the teamwear, we were going to see 70's style flashes of white. 

 

They had these white elements in the teamwear for years now. 



#64 TomNokoe

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Posted 17 February 2020 - 09:49

What is that useless filter



#65 aray

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Posted 17 February 2020 - 09:56

The rake has been increased surely?

Good that they are running.



#66 A3

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Posted 17 February 2020 - 10:08

The rake has been increased surely?

Good that they are running.

Even more? They already had the highest degree of rake in 2019. If I'm not mistaken that's what caused them aero issues in corners.



#67 eREr

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Posted 17 February 2020 - 10:33

The rake has been increased surely?

Good that they are running.

 

Don't think so. See RS19 (from 0:36):

https://youtu.be/OJF1XVHu6wM?t=36


Edited by eREr, 17 February 2020 - 10:36.


#68 Ali623

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Posted 17 February 2020 - 11:38

I don't understand why they're being so secretive? 



#69 WebberF1

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Posted 17 February 2020 - 11:50

I don't understand why they're being so secretive? 

 

After last year and the positive talk pre-season and lack of results during, no surprise and easy to see a change of strategy (less expectation, and over deliver).  Optimistic side says I hope for Dan's and Renault's sake that they have found something and being super cagey with all the footage and pre-season events.  And we may only see the full Renault package on day 5 & 6 of preseason or even FP1 in Melbourne.

 

Then again pessimistic side says 'it's Renault'.  :well:

 

Lets hope chassis has made significant ground.   To be honest the top 3 have made significant visible improvements so still a long shot but lets hope a strong 4th is attainable and a real closing of the gap to them.


Edited by WebberF1, 17 February 2020 - 11:52.


#70 Alburaq

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Posted 17 February 2020 - 11:59

After last year and the positive talk pre-season and lack of results during, no surprise and easy to see a change of strategy (less expectation, and over deliver).  Optimistic side says I hope for Dan's and Renault's sake that they have found something and being super cagey with all the footage and pre-season events.  And we may only see the full Renault package on day 5 & 6 of preseason or even FP1 in Melbourne.

 

Then again pessimistic side says 'it's Renault'.  :well:

 

Lets hope chassis has made significant ground.   To be honest the top 3 have made significant visible improvements so still a long shot but lets hope a strong 4th is attainable and a real closing of the gap to them.

 

Optimistic side says it's Renault. Pessimistic side says it's Renault directed by Abiteboul. 



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Posted 17 February 2020 - 12:02

Optimistic side says it's Renault. Pessimistic side says it's Renault directed by Abiteboul. 

 

Touche !



#72 A3

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Posted 17 February 2020 - 12:10

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Edited by A3, 17 February 2020 - 12:16.


#73 eREr

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Posted 17 February 2020 - 12:11

Don't forget that there is no Chester anymore in the team, so there is hope.  :wave:



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Posted 17 February 2020 - 12:14

Wow Mercedes style nose and a totally new front wing! 

 

Some radical changes there



#75 Anja

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Posted 17 February 2020 - 12:18

Weren't they supposed to have a testing livery with the actual one waiting until Melbourne?  :confused:



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Posted 17 February 2020 - 12:18

A very different S duct opening on top of the nose it seems. Looks like it lets air out to the sides.

Very high positioning of the lower front suspension arms.


Edited by A3, 17 February 2020 - 12:19.


#77 eREr

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Posted 17 February 2020 - 12:19

Wow Mercedes style nose and a totally new front wing! 

 

Some radical changes there

 

Front suspension seems to be also new (or just the angle plays with my eyes).



#78 BertoC

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Posted 17 February 2020 - 12:26

A very different S duct opening on top of the nose it seems. Looks like it lets air out to the sides.

I think it's those ear like winglets some teams now have? Or maybe is low resolution tricking my eyes. :D



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Posted 17 February 2020 - 12:28

I think it's those ear like winglets some teams now have? Or maybe is low resolution tricking my eyes. :D

I think you're right!



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#80 eREr

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Posted 17 February 2020 - 12:28

Very high positioning of the lower front suspension arms.

 

That was my view also. Airflow channel towards bargeboard area seems to be very-very clean.



#81 danstheman

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Posted 17 February 2020 - 12:28

I think it's those ear like winglets some teams now have? Or maybe is low resolution tricking my eyes. :D

 

Yeah my guess is winglets also



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Posted 17 February 2020 - 13:15

Weren't they supposed to have a testing livery with the actual one waiting until Melbourne? :confused:


Sure about that? Or did some people just jump to that conclusion after seeing the render snippets at the season opening event (note: not launch).

#83 JBJ

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Posted 17 February 2020 - 13:33

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#84 TomNokoe

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Posted 17 February 2020 - 13:54

Are they going to release proper renders?



#85 Neno

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Posted 17 February 2020 - 14:06

Don't forget that there is no Chester anymore in the team, so there is hope.  :wave:

He still built it or was there when it was being made. And its still based on RS19.  Hope is for suckers 



#86 Jambo

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Posted 17 February 2020 - 14:08

Are they going to release proper renders?

Why would they bother with renders when they have the actual car to take pictures of?



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Posted 17 February 2020 - 14:11

Hope we actually get  higher res pictures and full car. But given what I see from what we got doesnt look good or at least doesnt give me optimism. Lucky for us 2021 is around the corner.  


Edited by Neno, 17 February 2020 - 14:11.


#88 eREr

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Posted 17 February 2020 - 14:12

He still built it or was there when it was being made. And its still based on RS19.  Hope is for suckers 

 

He was removed from the 2020 project during summer time. If the bases are more or less the same, still the team without Chester had months to design and implement changes. Let's see.



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Posted 17 February 2020 - 14:16

Hope we actually get  higher res pictures and full car. But given what I see from what we got doesnt look good or at least doesnt give me optimism. Lucky for us 2021 is around the corner.  

 

I'm sure the team will not release official high-res pictures until Wednesday. Only leaked spy shots will be available until that.



#90 eREr

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Posted 17 February 2020 - 17:04

About 2021 by AMuS:

"The technical regulations for 2021 are still being refined. At the last meeting of the technical chiefs, it was agreed to finally freeze the rules in March. Most of the criticism came from Renault. The French wanted clarity. Scene experts believe that Renault is already ahead of the rest with the development of the 2021er car. The factory racing team wanted to concentrate fully on 2021 as early as possible in order to finally make the step towards top teams."



#91 danstheman

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Posted 17 February 2020 - 17:45

@Viryfan any insights or comments?  :wave:

 

Looks like we'll have to wait until Wednesday for anything concrete



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Posted 17 February 2020 - 18:56

Hope we actually get higher res pictures and full car. But given what I see from what we got doesnt look good or at least doesnt give me optimism. Lucky for us 2021 is around the corner.


All this unrestrained optimism is getting me over excited. This is fake ted kravitz style analysis. Based on the pictures I’ve seen we are hands down going to win Formula E this yea ...

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Posted 17 February 2020 - 19:30

@Viryfan any insights or comments?  :wave:

 

 

 

F1 technical McLaren thread not to happy about the engine gains



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Posted 17 February 2020 - 21:00

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Nice nose job Renault. Lets hope it works!  :D



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Posted 17 February 2020 - 21:02

Hope we actually get  higher res pictures and full car. But given what I see from what we got doesnt look good or at least doesnt give me optimism. Lucky for us 2021 is around the corner.  

 

Ah welcome back Neno! Bit early to judge the car a dud. Lets wait a few races in. 



#96 TF110

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Posted 17 February 2020 - 21:09

Yay! No more peni... or, thumb nose!



#97 eREr

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Posted 17 February 2020 - 21:35

F1 technical McLaren thread not to happy about the engine gains



Noone said (including Renault and other PU manufacturers) concrete numbers, tenths about PU gains. But yeah, the well informed Mc fans knows everything. :)

Anyway Mc is out next year, I'm not sure if they get all the information, latest hw and sw updates. Renault will control this to protect their IP as much as they can.

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Posted 17 February 2020 - 22:02

Noone said (including Renault and other PU manufacturers) concrete numbers, tenths about PU gains. But yeah, the well informed Mc fans knows everything. :)

Anyway Mc is out next year, I'm not sure if they get all the information, latest hw and sw updates. Renault will control this to protect their IP as much as they can.

I give you (maybe not about PU gains, but certainly rather specific numbers about what he perceives to be the PU picking order)...

 

 

“We are in a close battle with Mercedes and Ferrari in engine performance,” was Taffin’s assessment.

“Mercedes is a bit behind us, Ferrari a bit ahead. Honda is one step behind.

“But today we are no longer talking about differences of 50 kilowatts.

“With Ferrari, Mercedes and us there is between five and ten kilowatts.

“At Honda it’s maybe 15 or 20 kilowatts behind.”



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Posted 18 February 2020 - 04:47

I give you (maybe not about PU gains, but certainly rather specific numbers about what he perceives to be the PU picking order)...

That was last season, I do not think any of the manufacturers has said anything about the engines, except the RB guys praising Honda.



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Posted 18 February 2020 - 04:55

Front wing seems to be a rework of 2019m, nose a bit narrower, which does not mean bad, it just is more evolution than revolution, which  is perhaps better.