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[Ivanhoe]

Yes they do. Usually better economic rights.

Never seen it in the field I work in. Such votes are normally part of employee programs or issued to family members, not to external investors taking a major strategic stake, But we're drifting off topic.

Edited by Ivanhoe, 04 January 2021 - 07:55.

[Branislav]

 

 

The fact it is... Lewis will sign and people are just wasting time suggesting otherwise.

 

 

He will sign but for how long, one, two, three years?

[shure]

He will sign but for how long, one, two, three years?

I guess it doesn't really mater that much.  If he signs for one or two then it will just give us something extra to discuss for the next couple of years.  Ultimately even if he only signs for one doesn't mean he will retire after, so in reality not much will change, except for us on the forums!

[GoldenColt]

Mercedes expanding their technical partnership with Williams from 2022 onwards:

 

https://twitter.com/...473694294540291

[Paco]

He will sign but for how long, one, two, three years?

I’d imagine it’s last one so I’d guess 3 (2 plus a Lewis option in year 3 to do what he wants) No reason to get into signing another one. I’d see it as one and done contract for his time at Mercedes. Then if anything, it would be a stint in the red car in year 2023 or 24 depending if they still haven't cracked the championship with Charles.

I year with Bottas ie 2021
1 year to help Russell get into team well and help team into 2022 transition.
1 year saying goodbye to fans around the world in a farewell tour.

Edited by Paco, 05 January 2021 - 22:12.

[Paco]

Mercedes expanding their technical partnership with Williams from 2022 onwards:

https://twitter.com/...473694294540291

Sad day for Williams. Sad day for another b c team for Mercedes. Sad day for competitors as just makes f1 far more spec having 3 Mercedes tech cars, 2 Rb tech cars and 3 Ferrari tech cars and who knows what McLaren be in 2022. At least Alpine is dependant.

So really of 10 teams, there’s only 4 engineering squads. Less then half the grid.

Not sure what’s worse, grooved tires era, long life engines crap we have now or only 4 engineering squads left in F1 and all these crazy b and c teams.

Edited by Paco, 05 January 2021 - 19:53.

[paipa]

Plus, we don’t know how that split o ownership is in decision making.

Just because you own 33%, does not necessarily mean you have decision rights in X. Look at Facebook, the big doesn’t own much anymore but he’s has alll the power in company.

The fact that it's 33.3% instead of 30, 35 or 49, and that they also turned Toto's 30% into a perfect third strongly suggests this isn't just a portfolio investment but a deliberate round table arrangement between three equal parties.

[fed up]

Sad day for Williams. Sad day for another b c team for Mercedes. Sad day for competitors as just makes f1 far more spec having 3 Mercedes tech cars, 2 Rb tech cars and 3 Ferrari tech cars and who knows what McLaren be in 2022. At least Alpine is dependant.

So really of 10 teams, there’s only 4 engineering squads. Less then half the grid.

Not sure what’s worse, grooved tires era, long life engines crap we have now or only 4 engineering squads left in F1 and all these crazy b and c teams.

This is what is killing F1. It’s not Mercedes’ domination, expensive hybrid engines, LH domination, lack of overtaking, etc. There are too many vested interests in the competition of the sport:

 

- Williams, AM, or even McLaren cannot beat their host, Mercedes

- AT cannot beat their host, RBR

- Alfa, Haas cannot beat their host, Ferrari.

- Alpine can’t beat anybody 

 

So effectively, if RBR or Ferrari build a duff car their support teams have no chance. All therefore rests on Alpine.

[TomNokoe]

Very rare that I read something F1 related nowadays that feels worthwhile, but this post/Q+A from a former junior strategist at Mercedes is really, really good.

Link

[ARTGP]

Merc deserve a 2021 thread. come on now 

[IceSpeed]

Very rare that I read something F1 related nowadays that feels worthwhile, but this post/Q+A from a former junior strategist at Mercedes is really, really good.

Link

Thanks for sharing Tom! Very good read.

Friggin Vowles start listening to your strategy team or empower them a little more!

[moreland]

Very rare that I read something F1 related nowadays that feels worthwhile, but this post/Q+A from a former junior strategist at Mercedes is really, really good.

Link

Thanks for sharing that, lots of very interesting and surprising info in that. I sometimes wonder if strategy calls that look inexplicable to viewers actually do make more sense if you have all the information teams do. But it sounds as if the teams' strategy calls are nowhere near as optimal as I'd imagined and that in many cases they are just very bad decisions!

[BRG]

Merc deserve a 2021 thread. come on now 

It's all yours - off you go.

[gillesfan76]

Very rare that I read something F1 related nowadays that feels worthwhile, but this post/Q+A from a former junior strategist at Mercedes is really, really good.

Link

 

Awesome read. Thanks!

[Paco]

Analysis paralysis.  Too much data can also be a huge issue with split sec decision needing to be made. 

 

It can few times make you look like a hero but soooo often overthinking and trying to be smart about things often make you look flat on your face.  Just like Mercedes computer driven algorithm on which voice to hear on the radio giving priority... the more complex you make it the more changes for looking like idiots when you haven't plan out every 1,000,000 permutations of failure points.

 

Mercedes have gotten away with bad strat due to their huge track advantages and even when they get it wrong they usually have enough pace to save a good result from it. 

 

I do not see the team focusing enough on it and resting in the car advantage to put into place better options.  This like so much in F1, taking away people and relying on computers so much is NOT beneficial to F1 and Racing.  It just dulls it all.   I want human, more gut feelings and fly by the seat of their pants then all this analyticalness but I get why its around, just wish it could be minimized. 

 

F1 so often just over thinks crap.. 

 

In that article, immediately a thing bothered me... the Race Strat team dictates what the target lap time should be..     

 

I miss when drivers could just push and race how they wanted vs what some engineer up to 1,000s of miles away from the track is telling them to do.

Edited by Paco, 11 January 2021 - 22:14.

[ARTGP]

Analysis paralysis.  Too much data can also be a huge issue with split sec decision needing to be made. 

 

It can few times make you look like a hero but soooo often overthinking and trying to be smart about things often make you look flat on your face.  Just like Mercedes computer driven algorithm on which voice to hear on the radio giving priority... the more complex you make it the more changes for looking like idiots when you haven't plan out every 1,000,000 permutations of failure points.

 

Mercedes have gotten away with bad strat due to their huge track advantages and even when they get it wrong they usually have enough pace to save a good result from it. 

 

I do not see the team focusing enough on it and resting in the car advantage to put into place better options.  This like so much in F1, taking away people and relying on computers so much is NOT beneficial to F1 and Racing.  It just dulls it all.   I want human, more gut feelings and fly by the seat of their pants then all this analyticalness but I get why its around, just wish it could be minimized. 

 

F1 so often just over thinks crap.. 

 

In that article, immediately a thing bothered me... the Race Strat team dictates what the target lap time should be..     

 

I miss when drivers could just push and race how they wanted vs what some engineer up to 1,000s of miles away from the track is telling them to do.

 

 

Scrap the current tire regulations, bring back a tire war , and we might see signs of that again. Now that we are on 18", I would like to see what Michelin can do. I know Pirelli were told to build the current spec, but in a head to head, Pirelli is not a match for Michelin.

Edited by ARTGP, 12 January 2021 - 22:20.

[ToniF1]

Ham laughing to Toto stucked in snow

https://www.instagra...d=17m1gif0npb1c

[ToniF1]

"I think that the strength we have in the team is definitely that we can work as a team," said Bottas, in an exclusive interview with Motorsport.com.

 

"We can for sure race hard, but we can also leave it there. And we know the fact that if we can work together, that's how the team is going to benefit in the end.

 

"So there's not going to be any hiding of setups or data or anything. And the team spirit in team sports is underestimated. I think it's really important that you keep the motivation up, and [have] no conflicts.

 

"Of course, along the way, there's been many people suggest I change to be a Nico Rosberg. But I'm not a Nico Rosberg. I much prefer to do the talking on track and race fair.

 

"I have also been able to get to know Lewis, and I know that there's no benefit of trying to play with his mind. I'm sure it would be annoying for him, but it would be wasting my energy. And I think he will be getting even more pissed off and drive faster.

"So I think the way I'm doing things, that's how I want to win. That is my aim."

 

 

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[MortenF1]

Ham laughing to Toto stucked in snow

https://www.instagra...d=17m1gif0npb1c

When is that from I wonder?

[Branislav]

Ham laughing to Toto stucked in snow

https://www.instagra...d=17m1gif0npb1c

This Toto accent reminds me of Schwarzenegger's