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#51 DCapps

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 00:36

Gee, Don - do you also collect chassis numbers of tanks? :D

 

Actually, I used to manage, by "chassis number," each and every tank simulator in the Army, along with those for the Bradleys and the M109-series howitzers, and then later all Aviation Simulators. Not to mention all the various "actual" tanks, other military vehicles, and aircraft that I signed for or were on my property books. 

 

Donald, thanks for the clarification. With your lifetime of military service you won't get any argument from me. Call it generic ignorance with me referring to it as a tank.

 

Stephen

 

As, among other things, a former tank commander (M551 Sheridan, M48A5, M60A1/M60A3, M1/M1A1 Abrams, along with M2A1/M2A2/M2A2 ODS Bradley Fighting Vehicles), it is simply a reflex response and no reflection on you at all.... 



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#52 cooper997

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 00:40

The variety of the Shannons Historic Demonstration participants is huge in vehicles and speed. A good thing to showcase the historic movement.

 

Max Pegram's Gemini Formula Junior and Keith Olsen's BMW CSL - I can't say if it's the real deal or a tribute though. The partially shown car is Cameron Smith's March 729 Formula Ford.

 

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#53 cooper997

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 01:01

Thanks cooper997 for all of the photos - if not exactly action shots for obvious reasons it gives us all a flavour of what might have been.

 

I have always enjoyed getting in bright and early and watching a paddock wake up to be some of the best moment in a weekend.

 

I was'nt aware that so much other action normally goes on at Melbourne apart from the GP . Supercars, histroics and ASLAV racing !

 

The actual fact is that had the event gone ahead I wouldn't have seen and photographed much of what I did. Over the history of both Adelaide and Melbourne (as part of the F1 circus since 1985) the organiser's have included a variety of other on track racing and demonstrations that probably never get much, if any TV exposure outside of this down under region of the globe.

 

As for Ray's 27th Albert Park AGP comment, he's correct. However, it should be clarified that 1953 and 1956 were not part of the F1 World Championship.

 

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 04:33

Porsche Black Editions - well actually trademark Rusty French. As can be seen by the gap, one car was whisked away already by late Friday morning when this was taken.

 

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#55 cooper997

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 04:41

Just to the right of the Black Editions was the Porsche Payce Carrera Cup Australia pit garages. Also packing up.

 

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 04:55

No crowd, definitely means no crowding... Any other year this photo would have been impossible to take around midday Friday with the lawn filled with everyone enjoying the event.

 

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 07:16

Under normal circumstances, right about now there would be an Australian GP trophy presentation taking place. But this one is surplus to requirements. Perhaps the AGPCorp can do a Shane Warne and offer to auction this 'spare' to raise funds for charity. The Commonwealth Bank should be good for another Million!

 

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Posted 15 March 2020 - 09:39

Actually, I used to manage, by "chassis number," each and every tank simulator in the Army, along with those for the Bradleys and the M109-series howitzers, and then later all Aviation Simulators. Not to mention all the various "actual" tanks, other military vehicles, and aircraft that I signed for or were on my property books. 

 

 

As, among other things, a former tank commander (M551 Sheridan, M48A5, M60A1/M60A3, M1/M1A1 Abrams, along with M2A1/M2A2/M2A2 ODS Bradley Fighting Vehicles), it is simply a reflex response and no reflection on you at all.... 

 

Reminds me of the old adage, "How do you know if there's a pilot in the room?" - "He/she will tell you".

 

LOL.



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Posted 15 March 2020 - 11:17

Wouldn't it be nice if the 2020 Australian Grand Prix took place after all?

 

Perhaps with a full field of S5000 cars, maybe at Bathurst?



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Posted 15 March 2020 - 11:47

Wouldn't it be nice if the 2020 Australian Grand Prix took place after all?

 

Perhaps with a full field of S5000 cars, maybe at Bathurst?

What about period F5000 cars from 1973 onwards ...

 

(Edited to include "onwards")


Edited by MCS, 15 March 2020 - 12:14.


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Posted 15 March 2020 - 13:22

Under normal circumstances, right about now there would be an Australian GP trophy presentation taking place. But this one is surplus to requirements. Perhaps the AGPCorp can do a Shane Warne and offer to auction this 'spare' to raise funds for charity. The Commonwealth Bank should be good for another Million!

 

 

 

Stephen

I have always thought this to be one of the nicest trophies on the GP calander. 



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Posted 15 March 2020 - 22:17

Reminds me of the old adage, "How do you know if there's a pilot in the room?" - "He/she will tell you".

 

LOL.

 

Now that you mention it....



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Posted 15 March 2020 - 23:15

Where once they hunted in packs... although this is a 150S of Andrew Cannon. Thursday afternoon heading along the unused original section of Albert Park circuit in the correct anti-clockwise direction of the 1950s era, to begin what was the only Shannons Historic Demonstration to reach the modern circuit..

 

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Posted 16 March 2020 - 00:49

Stephen,

 

Let me add my thanks for creating this very interesting thread. Well done.

 

Don



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Posted 16 March 2020 - 10:35

Donald, thank you and glad you're enjoying something being made from pretty much no event.

 

A couple of snaps of the Bill Tymms Molina Monza Holden - a car with a waried life in its early years. But beautifully restored now.

 

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The MM's engine bay with Phil Irving Repco crossflow-headed Holden 'grey' six cylinder. That as I found out in a brief chat with the lads looking after the MM had turned into a panic engine rebuild. The panic brought on by not being able to get the intended pistons through customs. So another source had to be found and hence an all-nighter engine build just before it was due at Albert Park. That conversation took place on Friday after the event was wound up. But the motorsport preparation business they work for also run some TCR Touring Cars (also on the bill at Albert Park). So rather than get the weekend off, they were being re-deployed to take the TCR cars testing on the Saturday.

 

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Posted 16 March 2020 - 11:03

Richard East's beautiful Alfa Romeo GTA - Murray Wright Motors being the Melbourne-based Alfa dealer of the era. Historic racing commentator, Ron Simmonds (who was helping out at Albert Park) used to work for MW. Back in October the GTA was on display at Motorclassica, now it's caged and race seated to hit the track again. 

 

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Posted 16 March 2020 - 11:48

So with the imminent demise of Holden Triple Eight have resorted to MG-Bs?!?!    :p


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#68 Ray Bell

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Posted 16 March 2020 - 23:37

Originally posted by cooper997
.....As for Ray's 27th Albert Park AGP comment, he's correct. However, it should be clarified that 1953 and 1956 were not part of the F1 World Championship.

Clarifying my clarification, Stephen?

I guess it's a bit of a bone of contention with me, but the Australian Grand Prix is Australian. It cannot belong to anyone other than Australians and it must not be forgotten that it existed well before its inclusion in the World Championship.

That said, it's hard to believe that 35 editions of the Australian Grand Prix have been listed in the International title, though if the planned Warwick Farm event had been included in 1970 (1971?) it would obviously have been several more.





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Posted 17 March 2020 - 00:24

Thanks for posting these photos Stephen. It was great to see the Historics were under cover again this year.



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Posted 17 March 2020 - 05:38

For a “cover” fee of around $800 per, I believe.....

#71 Ray Bell

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Posted 17 March 2020 - 05:58

Well...

 

Somebody had to pay for the stripes on those buses.



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Posted 17 March 2020 - 06:45

So with the imminent demise of Holden Triple Eight have resorted to MG-Bs?!?!    :p

Well H raced a tatty but quick MG TC? after HDT.



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Posted 17 March 2020 - 07:05

The same one he'd raced in the fifties...



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Posted 17 March 2020 - 07:48

The same one he'd raced in the fifties...

And reputedly  scared some of his drivers who tried it out.

Vague recollection it used the same supercharger as the Rallycross car.



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Posted 17 March 2020 - 11:58

If it did it wasn't the original one...

 

The one in the rallycross car was from the Ian Mountain Peugeot Special, owned by Harry's employee, Ian Tate.



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Posted 17 March 2020 - 22:35

The Melbourne Walk is where, as the name implies, the Drivers are dropped off at the end and then walk through to their team's pit or corporate areas. Usually mngling with the crowd for selfies and autograghs. Not to be in 2020 though, with a policy change on driver interaction with the fans.. 

 

When I walked through this area on Thursday morning there was a small crowd gathering and an Aboriginal ceremony taking place. By Friday (when these were taken) it was obviously deserted.

 

I haven't gone looking around to find out if all drivers were on site on Thursday, let alone Friday, but this could be as close as some got.

 

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Posted 17 March 2020 - 23:09

Thanks for posting these photos Stephen. It was great to see the Historics were under cover again this year.

 

For a “cover” fee of around $800 per, I believe.....

 

 

Thanks Ken. Good to have you posting on TNF again

 

The Historics tent certainly came at a cost, I was told $700 by one of the entrants and could indeed ask Phil on the Alfa's entry, but what's $100 between friends. In actual fact when told it was $700 my first reaction was "that all!" - clearly Shannons subsidise things. Understandably no one got full value this year and some in the published entry list were non-starters anyway (with some substitutes to gain numbers back). I'm aware Grant Campbell issued an apology message regarding the cancellation. He and the others who help organise the AGP Historics can't be blamed in any way, they volunteer their time and the whole cancellation thing has cranked up throughout all sorts of events in the last few days since Friday. Historics at the AGP will bounce back, just a matter of when this virus can be slowed up though.

 

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Posted 18 March 2020 - 03:16

This is how close things got for the Shannons Historic Demo to have a run on Friday.

 

Albert Park's  turn 15 is but 100 metres away.  As I've mentioned in an earlier post, I was helping Nigel Tait with the blue #1 Matich SR4 battery gig.. I stepped away briefly to snap this photo quickly around 9.10am. But as it turned out I didn't need to be so hasty.

 

This is the grunt end of the group, some F1 cars, big Sporties and some might notice 3 Repco Brabham engined cars in a row - Nigel's SR4, Peter Strauss' Brabham BT31 and Bill Hemming's Elfin 400.

 

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Posted 19 March 2020 - 00:00

Paul O'Connor's ex Alex Strachan Lotus 6 (so the first Lotus into Australia) leaves the circuit after Thursday's Shannons Historic Demo.

 

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Posted 19 March 2020 - 00:38

It's great seeing them up close leaving and re-entering the paddock,you got  great photos. In 2012 a lady told me not to get to close as it was dangerous and put a piece of rope between me and the cars. I replied madam i used to photograph cars closeup when they were racing.



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Posted 19 March 2020 - 01:33

Thanks Ken. Good to have you posting on TNF again

 

The Historics tent certainly came at a cost, I was told $700 by one of the entrants and could indeed ask Phil on the Alfa's entry, but what's $100 between friends. In actual fact when told it was $700 my first reaction was "that all!" - clearly Shannons subsidise things. Understandably no one got full value this year and some in the published entry list were non-starters anyway (with some substitutes to gain numbers back). I'm aware Grant Campbell issued an apology message regarding the cancellation. He and the others who help organise the AGP Historics can't be blamed in any way, they volunteer their time and the whole cancellation thing has cranked up throughout all sorts of events in the last few days since Friday. Historics at the AGP will bounce back, just a matter of when this virus can be slowed up though.

 

Stephen

One hopes the entry was included. These events are getting stupidly expensive.

I did a GP display in the 80s, starting at theTorrens parade ground and up King William St and then down Wakefield St into the track. Though it was a shambles,, we were told we would have a Police Escort on public roads having been issued a permit [which in hindsight was illegal] but ended up in general traffic so ended up with a burnout  competition in the traffic!! Cos Monterrosso started that!

We were told to go 80% and not do anything stupid,, but the ran into the previous display of pre 50 sports cars on a Sunday drive. Ooops!! We got four or five laps than directed off into Pultney St and back to the parade ground. My memory of that is watching the temp guage climbing  at the lights while parked alongside a Vee that had a bus spewing diesel into his cockpit.

This was Sports Sedans, Vees, FF, and a 5000.

But as I said a shambles!! But it was free and still promoted local motorsport. Though the GP took so much away from local motorsport, occasional sponsors spent the money with a tent at the GP. Everything got more expensive. I did two support events at the GP  but both were expensive. Yet they needed supports to fill the otherwise huge gaps in the program.That included Touring Cars. 

And I doubt the entrants will get anything back either.



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Posted 19 March 2020 - 06:41



It's great seeing them up close leaving and re-entering the paddock,you got  great photos. In 2012 a lady told me not to get to close as it was dangerous and put a piece of rope between me and the cars. I replied madam i used to photograph cars closeup when they were racing.

 

Ken, as you'd be well aware it sometimes comes down to the official. They were pretty good at the crossing near turn 15 this year. Essentially the exact spot I took the photo in post 78. There was always the public (Thurs) and Supercars team members trying to get across because their catering was based along the mound between turn 15 and the lake. It worled pretty well and saw no agro from officals or other. The pass Phil generously arranged may have helped too.

 

In a very brief period I tried to take some on circuit photos in a very small window between the turn 15 corporate area and a JCB tractor. Factor in trying to focus past the debris fencing and I'm not happy with the results.

 

Here's one of the smaller sporties, Peter Edwards Osella PA3

 

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Posted 19 March 2020 - 06:51

One hopes the entry was included. These events are getting stupidly expensive.

I did a GP display in the 80s, starting at theTorrens parade ground and up King William St and then down Wakefield St into the track. Though it was a shambles,, we were told we would have a Police Escort on public roads having been issued a permit [which in hindsight was illegal] but ended up in general traffic so ended up with a burnout  competition in the traffic!! Cos Monterrosso started that!

We were told to go 80% and not do anything stupid,, but the ran into the previous display of pre 50 sports cars on a Sunday drive. Ooops!! We got four or five laps than directed off into Pultney St and back to the parade ground. My memory of that is watching the temp guage climbing  at the lights while parked alongside a Vee that had a bus spewing diesel into his cockpit.

This was Sports Sedans, Vees, FF, and a 5000.

But as I said a shambles!! But it was free and still promoted local motorsport. Though the GP took so much away from local motorsport, occasional sponsors spent the money with a tent at the GP. Everything got more expensive. I did two support events at the GP  but both were expensive. Yet they needed supports to fill the otherwise huge gaps in the program.That included Touring Cars. 

And I doubt the entrants will get anything back either.

 

Lee, The Adelaide organisers, such as John Blanden and Reg Sparks knew how to pull a few strings to make things like that happen. The 1990 Climb to the Eagle springs to mind.

 

Anything associated with the GP is exxy, and hence surprised when told $700 for the Shannons Historic Demo. I had in my mind it would at least $1k.

 

Stephen



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Posted 19 March 2020 - 12:18

It's great seeing them up close leaving and re-entering the paddock,you got  great photos. In 2012 a lady told me not to get to close as it was dangerous and put a piece of rope between me and the cars. I replied madam i used to photograph cars closeup when they were racing.

That piece of rope was a vital safety precaution. I hope you were wearing hi-vis clothing, hard hat and steel toe-capped boots and had carried out a safety & risk assessment?  Cameras can be lethal in the wrong hands.  I am just glad that you survived.



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Posted 20 March 2020 - 05:33

I woke up this morning to see the regular email feed that comes through from Vintage Motorsport magazine (USA) has a story from Ernie Nagamatsu.

 

Ernie will be quite well known for his enjoyment of Historic/Vintage events around the glode - often with Old Yeller. Well for Phillip Island this year he sent his 356 Down Under and then onwards to Albert Park. And just like Old Yeller at PI a couple of years ago, he had some hassles with the Porsche. The photo below is Ernie lined up on ill-fated Friday morning Shannons Historic Demo (with Jordan Lamanna's 356 ahead of him) as everyone awaits the signal to head towards Turn 15.

 

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I couldn't spot Ernie's story on the http://vintagemotorsport.com/ homepage, so what follows is copied from the email.

 

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First-Person Report: A Stand Down in Albert Park

One of the most coveted invitations in Historic Motorsports Racing in Australia is to participate in the Australia F1 Grand Prix Historic Support Race. There were 60 historic race cars selected and invited to race on the Albert Park F1 race circuit this year. The Historic Support Race was scheduled over the March 12-15 weekend of the huge F1 season opener race in Melbourne.

 

Shannon’s Insurance provided the sponsor support with tents for the historic race cars. It was the 25th anniversary for the Australia F1 GP and the excitement was rising. This race followed the great Phillip Island Classic Historic race that took place March 5-8 with more than 500 cars entered in five weekend races.

 

There was a big speed differential among the historic race cars, with the blindingly fast four McLarens, Porsche 956C, Williams FW07 and the legendary Teddy Yip Theodore Racing F-5000. There were two rare Maserati 250F race cars along with several Brabham BT 21s looking comfortable in their Motherland. The statue of former World Champion and Australian Sir Jack Brabham stood as a sentry over it all.

 

The specially-constructed F1 circuit within Albert Park is challenging, especially through the shaded tree section. Turn 1 is a tight kink and one realizes and respects the skills of the current F1 drivers, as for them it is a flick-flick through the turn. The curved section along the lake was a brilliant sight. With the good spacing, drivers could test limits of their cars and abilities in a responsible manner. The drivers meeting was essential for the spirited racing emphasizing extra respect for each other.

 

The Thursday race started with a pace lap behind the Porsche pace car with the high-speed cars gridded at the front. At Turn 15, the last kink to the straight, driving our 1958 Porsche 356 Speedster, the engine quit. The flywheel had failed and the Mark Johnson shop did an “all-nighter” and replaced the engine with our spare.

 

Friday brought more confusion, as the shifting sands of F1, FIA and the Australia government were dealing with the ongoing threat of the COVID-19 pandemic and decisions seemed to change hour by hour. Race fans were in long queues at the gates while we were inside the paddocks awaiting instructions from Race Control. We were told that the event was on.

 

The Speedster arrived back just as the grid was lining up and I jumped in. Drivers and cars assembled in a grid lineup and we all were helmeted/suited up and ready to race in the morning. All drivers were then told that there were delays for our session. We waited over an hour and finally an announcement came that the entire Australia F1 Grand Prix was to be canceled immediately.

 

We experienced firsthand the wave of the abrupt and harsh effect of COVID-19 for sports and, in our case, motorsports. The bigger picture was safety for all and the historic drivers were not upset and considered the support race here as a “DNF.” Everyone packed up. It was such a ghostly and eerie sensation, like an apocalyptic movie scene, to walk through the giant F1 venue with everything stopped in its tracks. Though there were splashes of bright color, no movement was in sight apart from a few people packing up.

 

By Dr. Ernest Nagamatsu

 

 

 

 

 



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Posted 21 March 2020 - 07:27

Tony Parkinson's Sebring Healey '57 FAC' coming back from Thursday's Shannons Historic Demo. This car was featured in the March 2012 issue of Vintage Racecar.

 

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Posted 02 April 2020 - 00:26

Richard East's beautiful Alfa Romeo GTA - Murray Wright Motors being the Melbourne-based Alfa dealer of the era. Historic racing commentator, Ron Simmonds (who was helping out at Albert Park) used to work for MW. Back in October the GTA was on display at Motorclassica, now it's caged and race seated to hit the track again. 

 

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Stephen, Hi Stephen, Thanks for the mention re the M W Alfa ,this is the same car that M W ran in a long distance record attempt at Sandown International Raceway back in early 1967 ?. Frank Porter, Syd Fisher and myself as relief driver, the records still stand I believe, they use to be in the CAMS manual when you could get a hard copy as part of your licence renewal. John Emery ,(John was the sales manager), was the Pit manager, the late Paul Higgins the journalist, organised the press releases .It's really nice to see the car back in action. By the way,that's me sitting down near the office door, probably on the phone again LOL. Cheers Simmo. 


Edited by ronsimmonds70, 02 April 2020 - 00:30.


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Posted 02 April 2020 - 06:36

Ron, Thanks for the additional info on the GTA. About all I was aware is that Alan Hamilton ran it at the 1968 Longford meeting. Apologies for the quality, but this one captures the 4 wise men of AGP Historics.

 

Thursday Drivers' Briefing - Grant Campbell, Vince ?, Tony Parkinson and your good self (with a miscellaneous elbow thrown in for good measure).

 

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Stephen


Edited by cooper997, 02 April 2020 - 06:38.


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Posted 03 April 2020 - 20:19

Wouldn't say no to having this parked in my garage........ what a great car!

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Posted 05 April 2020 - 05:56

Ron, Thanks for the additional info on the GTA. About all I was aware is that Alan Hamilton ran it at the 1968 Longford meeting. Apologies for the quality, but this one captures the 4 wise men of AGP Historics.

Thursday Drivers' Briefing - Grant Campbell, Vince ?, Tony Parkinson and your good self (with a miscellaneous elbow thrown in for good measure).

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Stephen, Thanks for the "Happy snap". Stephen it looks like I am doing the same, as Vince does his drivers briefing. Such a shame we could not continue. Cheers Simmo.

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Posted 05 April 2020 - 06:08

Stephen, Thanks for the "Happy snap". Stephen it looks like I am doing the same, as Vince does his drivers briefing. Such a shame we could not continue. Cheers Simmo. (PS remind me how to post photos) please??. 



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Posted 05 April 2020 - 11:27

Ron, once you master the system it's quite easy. It's just the initial leap to suss it out though.

 

Postimage is what a lot of us use now. There's a whole thread devoted to posting here...

https://forums.autos...ain-april-2018/

 

Failing that you can cheat if the photo is already on facebook. if using a computer.. have your Facebook browser and TNF browser open at the same time to swap between each.

! hover over the photo then right click the mouse to bring up a menu

2 left click 'copy image'

3 swap over to TNF page

4 make sure you're in the 'Reply to this topic' section of the TNF thread you wish to post. Then using your keyboard with 2 fingers, tap down 'Ctrl' and quickly followed by 'V' (with the Control button still down) the photo should quickly appear if the photo isn't a huge file.. 

5 sometimes worth hitting 'More Reply Options' over on the RH lower section of screen - this allows you to see what your post will look like (and fix accordingly if required), before hitting the 'Post' button.

if using a mobile device then tapping screen will replace clicking the mouse

 

If any of the above options fail, pm me your email address and I'll send through an email that you can send back the photo you want posted. Then I'll add it on your behalf.

 

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