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[owenmahamilton]

Would have been 60 years old today.

[K20a]

Happy birthday

[Gambelli]

Crickey!

[thegamer23]

[Boxerevo]

Would have been 60 years old today.

Truth.

[Risil]

Not only that, but Damon Hill is 60 in September!

[SB]

Not only that, but Damon Hill is 60 in September!

 

Who Damon is in Super Senna's thread !?   

 

Happy birthday !

[SuperSwede]

For those who have followed the Countdown thread where I´ve written that I sometimes think: What if..

 

In that case it was about Stefan Bellof, but I´ve been thinking to myself many times: What if.. regarding Ayrton Senna, and it makes me sad every time.  Just as I feel now thinking about the life he could have had and what impact that could have had on the people in Brazil. and so on.

 

In remembrance:

On the Top of the podium after Winning the Brazilian Grand Prix 1991

[Risil]

Sunderland great Brian Clough would've been 85 too.

[PedroDiCasttro]

Not only that, but Damon Hill is 60 in September!

Wow, really? Is he that old? 

[B Squared]

Who Damon is in Super Senna's thread !?   

 

Damon is the guy that survived the 1994 season and the San Marino GP in a similar car to Senna's.

[PayasYouRace]

Who Damon is in Super Senna's thread !?   

 

Happy birthday !

There’s more to F1 in the 90s than Senna fan-wank.

[as65p]

There’s more to F1 in the 90s than Senna fan-wank.

 

Great. Would have been labeled a proper troll post, if not coming from a mod.

[Yamamoto]

He was a decent driver. Favourite record? Front row of every race in 1989, 13 of them on pole. And I know the car was strong, but it's not the only dominant car in F1 history.

 

 

Wow, really? Is he that old? 

 

Yeah he got into F1 very late. Fantastic story when you look at his life and career.

[Requiem84]

Damon is off-topic here, feel free to open your own topic about him.

I wonder how 60 year old Senna would have looked. Prost is on F1’s youtube talking about his relationship with Senna. Fascinating to see what 30 years did to him. Senna will forever be remembered as 34...

[messy]

Senna got into F1 quite late himself, didn’t he - 24, and 28 by the time he got into a McLaren. I always saw him as the new young, dynamic kid on the block against Prost but in 2020 terms he’d have been on the older side.

I love stories like Hill’s. Already in his mid 30s when he got a competitive F1 seat. Probably just wouldn’t happen these days.

[Yamamoto]

Senna got into F1 quite late himself, didn’t he - 24, and 28 by the time he got into a McLaren. I always saw him as the new young, dynamic kid on the block against Prost but in 2020 terms he’d have been on the older side.

I love stories like Hill’s. Already in his mid 30s when he got a competitive F1 seat. Probably just wouldn’t happen these days.

 

Nah, he was younger than many. Younger than any of Piquet, Mansell and Prost when they made debuts I believe. I think jumping from British F3 straight into F1 was seen as skipping a step, at least according to the Tom Rubython biography, although he and Brundle both did so that year.

 

Drivers tended not to jump into F1 as young. I think the path was not so clear as it is now with young driver programmes and junior race teams. Senna did reportedly get plenty of testing contracts offered to him from the top teams though.

 

Of course it was partly down to individual circumstances. Senna was one of the wealthy Brazilian guys who came to the UK and could fund themselves. Others like Tommy Byrne and Damon Hill, as a random example, tended to face rockier paths.

Edited by Yamamoto, 21 March 2020 - 21:11.

[PlatenGlass]

Damon is off-topic here, feel free to open your own topic about him.

It's a reasonable comparison to Senna. They are linked subject matters that can be discussed together surely.

[Myrvold]

Sunderland great Brian Clough would've been 85 too.

 

Nottm Forest hero you mean?

 

Like every year, happy birthday to myself and Senna (probably the only time I can group myself with Senna!)

[Risil]

Nottm Forest hero you mean?

 

Like every year, happy birthday to myself and Senna (probably the only time I can group myself with Senna!)

His greatest managerial success was at Forest, but his soul remained on Wearside.

[Yamamoto]

Cloughie is off-topic here, feel free to open your own topic about him.

 

Anyway his biggest achievement was at Nottingham Forest: two consecutive League Cups.

[Collombin]

Anyway his biggest achievement was at Nottingham Forest: two consecutive League Cups.

Er, European Cups actually (edit for clarity - not disputing he won consecutive league cups (although Liverpool was robbed in one of them), but surely European Cups are a slightly greater prize).

And his greatest achievement was possibly being the record holder for fewest games needed to score 250 league goals (he said he was anyway!), a record which probably still stands.

Edited by Collombin, 21 March 2020 - 22:12.

[Yamamoto]

Er, European Cups actually (edit for clarity - not disputing he won consecutive league cups (although Liverpool was robbed in one of them), but surely European Cups are a slightly greater prize).

And his greatest achievement was possibly being the record holder for fewest games needed to score 250 league goals (he said he was anyway!), a record which probably still stands.

 

I know what I said. I stand by it. Watford didn't compete in the European Cup. I rest my case.

[Fatgadget]

Senna in that dog Toleman Hart. Not to mention when he was reeling in Alain Prost on  that drenching Monaco only for the race to be curtailed . Nuff said.

[scheivlak]

And Ted Kravitz just turned 46 (same birthday).

[Fatgadget]

Not only that, but Damon Hill is 60 in September!

Puleez! Damon and Ayrton in the same sentence?

[PayasYouRace]

Puleez! Damon and Ayrton in the same sentence?

 

Something Frank Williams evidently thought was a good idea going into 1994.

[as65p]

Something Frank Williams evidently thought was a good idea going into 1994.

 

Yep. Schumacher & Irvine, Alonso & Massa, Hamilton & Kovalainnen, Senna & Nakajima, Clark & Spence... the list is actually quite large of teammates being forever linked in a similar way.

[RacingGreen]

Why isn't this thread on the nostalgia forum ? 

[Atreiu]

Happy birthday. I will never be able to hear the ‘Tema da Vitoria’ and not choke up.

[SuperSwede]

Ayrton Senna growing up

[Ibsey]

My tribute to Senna; http://www.1994f1.co...is-final-hours/

[absinthedude]

It was not uncommon for drivers to reach F1 in their mid 20s back then. Senna at 23 going on 24 was considered pretty young. Plenty of WDC started older. That's why Emerson Fittipaldi's record of being the youngest WDC at 25 stood for so long. 

 

I would assume it is up to a mod whether we are permitted to utter the name "Damon" here. GIven he and Senna were team mates during that fateful 1994 season and were of similar age I should imagine it's not irrelevant. 

 

I remember Senna arriving on the scene, clearly something special. I also remember him pushing Prost into the wall at Estoril and the collective gasp that fans and the F1 community had. A diamond, but a flawed one. One of the greats but not without controversies. 

[PayasYouRace]

Roberto Merhi is 29 years old today.

[Bleu]

It was not uncommon for drivers to reach F1 in their mid 20s back then. Senna at 23 going on 24 was considered pretty young. Plenty of WDC started older. That's why Emerson Fittipaldi's record of being the youngest WDC at 25 stood for so long. 

 

I would assume it is up to a mod whether we are permitted to utter the name "Damon" here. GIven he and Senna were team mates during that fateful 1994 season and were of similar age I should imagine it's not irrelevant. 

 

I remember Senna arriving on the scene, clearly something special. I also remember him pushing Prost into the wall at Estoril and the collective gasp that fans and the F1 community had. A diamond, but a flawed one. One of the greats but not without controversies. 

 

In general drivers just moved from karting to real cars later. Senna was 21 when he started in Formula Ford, then had his only F3 year at the age of 23. While now most drivers are already in lowest open-wheel classes while they are 15 or 16.

 

Senna had three years in cars at the time of F1 debut - same applies for example to Lance Stroll who made F1 debut at 18. Both Senna and Stroll won F3 titles in their last season in junior formulae.

Edited by Bleu, 22 March 2020 - 16:38.

[Marklar]

Why isn't this thread on the nostalgia forum ?

Legend say that even the 70s are too recent for them

[Fatgadget]

Yep. Schumacher & Irvine, Alonso & Massa, Hamilton & Kovalainnen, Senna & Nakajima, Clark & Spence... the list is actually quite large of teammates being forever linked in a similar way.

 

 

Something Frank Williams evidently thought was a good idea going into 1994.

Objection! That is not what I meant and you guys know it!
 

Edited by Fatgadget, 22 March 2020 - 17:33.

[thiscocks]

Damon is off-topic here, feel free to open your own topic about him.

I wonder how 60 year old Senna would have looked. Prost is on F1’s youtube talking about his relationship with Senna. Fascinating to see what 30 years did to him. Senna will forever be remembered as 34...

Damon, who soldiered on past Imola to nearly take the title certainly isn't 'off topic'. 

 

Much like David Brabham in the Simtek that weekend, everyone seems to forget the integrity those two drivers had to take to the grid that day. Something most of the precious kids on the current F1 grid wouldn't even consider. Not that the race would ever go ahead in this day and age anyway.

Edited by thiscocks, 22 March 2020 - 22:51.

[Anuity]

I don't really see what kind of relevance does Damon Hill has in this thread to be honest. Apart from being teammates for 3 races.

And I kind of like Damon.

 

And the only reason he "soldierod on" to the last race was due to FIA helping anyway.

[TecnoRacing]

Great. Would have been labeled a proper troll post, if not coming from a mod.

Yup, +1

[thiscocks]

I don't really see what kind of relevance does Damon Hill has in this thread to be honest. Apart from being teammates for 3 races.

And I kind of like Damon.

 

And the only reason he "soldierod on" to the last race was due to FIA helping anyway.

How did they help? Did they make him get in the car?

[Yamamoto]

How did they help? Did they make him get in the car?

 

They gave him unlimited red shells.

 

We seem to be straying slightly from the topic though.

[Anuity]

How did they help? Did they make him get in the car?

They disqualified Schumacher taking away 1 certain and another 2 other likely wins handing them to Hill for an unceprecedent infridgement, never seen ever since. After Imola there was no question of the title winner really, and deservedly so.

[Beri]

They disqualified Schumacher taking away 1 certain and another 2 other likely wins handing them to Hill for an unceprecedent infridgement, never seen ever since. After Imola there was no question of the title winner really, and deservedly so.

Schumacher cheating made him go quicker, made Senna nervous, made Senna take risks, thus Schumacher killed Senna?

Call out the disqualification as being unfair and one can turn the 1994 story around every way possible. The only certainty is Schumacher won the title and Senna died.

But to some people it is hard to comprehend, I agree.

[Risil]

Yeah, let's not go into Hill vs Schumacher. Really not the place.

[PayasYouRace]

To get back to the spirit of the OP.

 

Alex Albon is 24 today.

Jaime Alguersuari is 30,

Ricardo Zonta is 44,

and one time Monaco GP entrant Bruce Kessler is 88.

[Beri]

Zonta 44.. I'm getting old..

[as65p]

To get back to the spirit of the OP.

 

 

As you know perfectly, it's your very own spirit that makes you try your hardest to turn a supposed Senna thread into something, anything, else.

[pdac]

As you know perfectly, it's your very own spirit that makes you try your hardest to turn a supposed Senna thread into something, anything, else.

 

If it's just a Senna thread then, surely, it's a driver thread (with all that implies).

[as65p]

If it's just a Senna thread then, surely, it's a driver thread (with all that implies).

 

Then call it that and close it. Better than messing around like it just happens.

 

At least that would have people have to face the reality of a racing forum with no place to remember racing legends on their birthday head on.