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#1 Doug Nye

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Posted 30 March 2020 - 22:51

While having a rummage for something I - inevitably - have just unearthed not what I was seeking, but some other minor treasures.  I hope some here might be interested to see them...

 

Recently there was a TNF thread concerning the Lewes hill-climb.  Here's the 1937 event programme...

 

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...and the entry list within...

 

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Then there's the programme for the first glimmering of postwar motor sport on the British mainland - the Elstree Speed Trials of April 22, 1946 - I'm pretty sure the mouse responsible has since died...

 

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...and part of the entry there...

 

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I also found this programme for the 'Invitation Meeting' at Gransden Lodge on June 15, 1946 - taproot of the British aerodrome circuit trend...  Apologies for the stripe gremlin on my darned scanner...

 

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And then there is this - for the Poole Speed Trials at South Lytchett Manor, Lytchett Minster, on September 6, 1947 (at 2pm)

 

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Open this one and study the entry, centre of the second page - one of the finest-ever racing driver's first event...

 

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And here's the venue plan...

 

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From September 27, 1947 - the Shelsley Walsh hill-climb programme

 

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Inside which we find the original Cooper 500 twins - John and his long-time friend Eric Brandon

 

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Move on to August 27, 1949, and the Blandford Road Race meeting, again in the county of Dorset...

 

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And inside here's the long lost 1949 circuit plan.

 

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As I was saying - minor treasures hopefully to amuse...  

 

Keep safe - keep well - keep lucky - DCN


Edited by Doug Nye, 30 March 2020 - 22:54.


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#2 JtP2

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Posted 30 March 2020 - 23:29

Some famous names and people on there. Lewes, no 25 HRG W Boddy!   Elstree no 23 Frazer Nash D S Jenkinson.



#3 john medley

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Posted 31 March 2020 - 02:39

Terrific stuff. Thanks DCN



#4 john aston

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Posted 31 March 2020 - 06:39

It speaks volumes  that the layout and content of a speed hillclimb programme has hardly changed in 80 years ... Mind you , I am still seeing  some of the same drivers at Harewood I saw when I was at school ... 



#5 Darren Galpin

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Posted 31 March 2020 - 06:52

Great Doug! Many thanks.



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Posted 31 March 2020 - 07:26

Some famous names and people on there. Lewes, no 25 HRG W Boddy!   Elstree no 23 Frazer Nash D S Jenkinson.

Jenks at Elstree (screen grab from a newsreel):

 

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#7 Eric Dunsdon

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Posted 31 March 2020 - 08:15

Fascinating reading. As a car crazy kid I lived a few miles from Elstree. If only I had known!.



#8 Allan Lupton

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Posted 31 March 2020 - 08:24

Although I only discovered motor sport in the mid 1950s there are a lot of people in those programmes whom I remember watching, some of them in those same cars. There are even a few that I knew, or at least met.

Truly nostalgia isn't what it was. . .



#9 ensign14

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Posted 31 March 2020 - 08:33

Moss' racing number suggests he was entered in one of the earlier classes as well. 

 

Also Class 2A seems a bit redundant...



#10 john winfield

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Posted 31 March 2020 - 09:39

Thank you Doug!

 

Rodney Clarke and Kenneth McAlpine in the same event at Poole. Along with Sidney Allard.



#11 john winfield

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Posted 31 March 2020 - 09:47

Would the L. Hawthorn above the Stirling Moss Poole entry be Leslie, Mike's father?



#12 moffspeed

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Posted 31 March 2020 - 09:57

Nice to see the "Wrekin Ales" advert in the Shelsley programme. The original company disappeared in the 60's but it surely is one of the most appropriate names for a brewery.

 

I grew up in Cardiff with "Brains" as our local brewery. Sunday morning conversations with friends often involved descriptions of "brain damage" from the previous night. Their very drinkable "S.A" was known almost universally as "skull attack".



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Posted 31 March 2020 - 10:03

Moss' racing number suggests he was entered in one of the earlier classes as well. 

 

Also Class 2A seems a bit redundant...

I think by then the chaps in the 750 MC had probably already worked out that the 500s more than had the measure of their old Austins!



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Posted 31 March 2020 - 10:08

Would the L. Hawthorn above the Stirling Moss Poole entry be Leslie, Mike's father?

If it was, perhaps he had the Semmence on the forecourt at the time? Just a thought ... 'race on Sunday, sell on Monday' and all that! Or it was being sold with the entry already in place?



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Posted 31 March 2020 - 11:02

Mr Moss and Frazer Nash BMW #27 at Poole S/T - who knew at the time what was to become of him ?

 

What a great way to brighten up our day, thanks.



#16 cooper997

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Posted 31 March 2020 - 11:28

In the W/E 2/1/82 edition of Motor (UK) Phillip Turner had his feature on John Cooper. There's a photo of JNC at the 1947 Poole meeting with a healthy crowd in the background. It's feasible it was one of his own photos... Odseybod/Tony still got your dad's photos??

 

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#17 Odseybod

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Posted 31 March 2020 - 11:52

Certainly have quite a few of them, now at least sorted into years (rather than 'another shoe-box'), though some of the neg sizes are a bit odd as he could never resist acquiring a new-old camera.

 

I'll have a rummage.



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Posted 31 March 2020 - 13:16

While having a rummage for something I - inevitably - have just unearthed not what I was seeking, but some other minor treasures.  I hope some here might be interested to see them...

 

I also found this programme for the 'Invitation Meeting' at Gransden Lodge on June 15, 1946 - taproot of the British aerodrome circuit trend...  Apologies for the stripe gremlin on my darned scanner...

 

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Move on to August 27, 1949, and the Blandford Road Race meeting, again in the county of Dorset...

 

 

 

And inside here's the long lost 1949 circuit plan.

 

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As I was saying - minor treasures hopefully to amuse...  

 

Keep safe - keep well - keep lucky - DCN

thanks for this, will check and update at some point

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Edited by ozpata, 31 March 2020 - 13:17.


#19 kayemod

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Posted 31 March 2020 - 13:50

Poole Park Speed Trials - 1938.

 

I already knew about the Lytchett Minster Speed Trials, they took place just a few miles from my present home, and I also knew that it was one of young Stirling's very first competitive motoring events, he finished fourth behind among others one Anthony Crook, of whom many will have heard. An event that took place slightly closer to me was a similar 1938 event in Poole Park, and this one was news to me. It's difficult to be certain as the trees and buildings have changed, but I think this must have been around the cricket pitch at the Sandbanks Road end, quite narrow roads, but that must also have been true for the Lytchett event as well, though today's speed humps.would have been missing.

 

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A beautiful summer’s day in August 1938 at the seaside: Poole Park in Dorset.  So much so that the correspondent reported: “weather so magnificent that the greater number of the spectators were thankful for bathing suits.”

Waiting for their runs, in the foreground, we can see three Bugattis.  Remarkably, they belong to one man.  Motor Sport for September 1938 reports that: “The palm for the smartest cars of all must go to C. I. Craig’s three Bugattis, the ” 2.3 ” and the ” 4.9 ” once owned by the late L. G. Bachelier, and the 3.3-litre Grand Prix model once raced by the Hon. Brian Lewis – a bored-out “3.3.”  All were finished in black and white, and the Grand Prix job in particular looked a picture.”

Each of these cars has a fascinating history.  On the left is the Bachelier Type 54, now in the Louwman Museum in The Hague.  Only 6 or so of these supercharged straight-eight twin-cam 4.9-litre monsters were built. With the Monza race of 1931 approaching, and Alfa and Maserati fielding powerful 12- and 16-cylinder cars respectively, Bugatti needed something more than the 2.3-litre Type 35s that had dominated the race tracks up to then.  The result was the Type 54, with 300 bhp and a reinforced 3-speed gearbox to cope with this increased power.

These cars were difficult to drive and had only limited success.  In 1932 Earl Howe bought chassis 54205 as a new car, to drive in the French Grand Prix. He dropped out with a broken gearbox, was not satisfied with the car generally, and sold it to the English Bugatti enthusiast Bachelier. He built a two-seater roadster body on it, based on his own Type 55, but died soon after its completion.  The car duly passed to Craig, and was registered DPJ 5.

The Type 55 in our picture, chassis 55237 and registered DPJ 4, appears also to have belonged to Bachelier.  It was acquired by Craig and later belonged to Monkhouse, Young, Crowley-Milling and then Scher in the USA. It may possibly be one of the six Type 55s now in the Mulhouse Museum.

And finally to the car on the right.  This is the Type 59 racing car chassis 59124 with engine number 6, imported into Britain new in 1934 on French number plates for the Hon. Brian Lewis to drive. The car, with the other 3 factory Type 59s, was raced extensively all over Europe. It eventually returned to England and was rebuilt by C. I. Craig in the colour-scheme of black and white we see in our picture, and was used by him in sprints and hill-climbs.  The car was ultimately rebuilt and painted Bugatti blue, was registered LPG 211 and found its way to an American collector.  It is now back in Europe, but seen only rarely.

The history of the three cars in our Snapshot has had to be pieced together from scraps of information in Bugatti books and on the internet.  But on that gloriously sunny day in August 1938 their history was less important.  All painted in Mr Craig’s black and white livery, they must simply have been a sight for sore eyes.

 

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I doubt if many Bugattis have appeared in the Park in recent years, possibly a Veyron owned by one of the area's wealthy residents, though I doubt if one of those extravagant devices could make it intact through the narrow archway under the railway track at the boating lake end.

 

Edit: Credit where it's due, this report appeared in a publication by The Society of Automotive Historians.

 

Edited by kayemod, 31 March 2020 - 13:59.


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#20 Odseybod

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Posted 31 March 2020 - 14:46

Well, the system works - sort of. Unfortunately the photographer was concentrating on Allards that day - he was a long-standing pal of Sydney and had even ridden shot-gun for him on trials in the past, But that early Cooper pic must have come from The Motor's own archive - sorry.

 

You can find the ones I did manage to find at https://postimg.cc/gallery/NssVjdp

 

My thanks to DCN for posting that spread of the programme that made the IDs of most of them much easier for establish!


Edited by Odseybod, 31 March 2020 - 21:14.


#21 bradbury west

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Posted 31 March 2020 - 20:44

What an excellent idea for a thread, whatever the circumstances. Many thanks, Doug. I hope others will perhaps add other oddments.
It is a joy to see a good shot of GRU7, the Mercury Special of LJ Onslow Bartlett, built and used pre War. I came across this blood and thunder driver and engineer a couple of years back when I sourced a couple of action shots of this car via e Bay. His time posted in the scan above shows what a quick device the car was in his hands. Post war he built a mid engined Ford spl, later moving onto building a rear engined JAP v twin Trials Special.
This was covered in depth, ... cover your ears and look away, John Aston...., by the Bod in the early Fifties. I commend it to those to whom these things are of interest.
I am sure the Alta photo in particular posted by Tony will be of interest to others on this forum.

As an aside, I recently sourced a copy of what was listed as the fourth Blandford Hillclimb , some eleven years after Doug's posted event.
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#22 cooper997

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Posted 01 April 2020 - 13:06

Certainly have quite a few of them, now at least sorted into years (rather than 'another shoe-box'), though some of the neg sizes are a bit odd as he could never resist acquiring a new-old camera.

 

I'll have a rummage.

 

 

Well, the system works - sort of. Unfortunately the photographer was concentrating on Allards that day - he was a long-standing pal of Sydney and had even ridden shot-gun for him on trials in the past, But that early Cooper pic must have come from The Motor's own archive - sorry.

 

You can find the ones I did manage to find at https://postimg.cc/gallery/NssVjdp

 

My thanks to DCN for posting that spread of the programme that made the IDs of most of them much easier for establish!

 

Thank you for your efforts Tony. It was a long shot. Perhaps a Guy Griffiths photo then. But very grainy due to the paper quality of the  magazine.

 

The multiple class entries at Poole to maximise runs came in for some comment in The Motor that covered this meeting.

 

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#23 Steve L

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Posted 01 April 2020 - 13:49

Well, the system works - sort of. Unfortunately the photographer was concentrating on Allards that day - he was a long-standing pal of Sydney and had even ridden shot-gun for him on trials in the past, But that early Cooper pic must have come from The Motor's own archive - sorry.

 

You can find the ones I did manage to find at https://postimg.cc/gallery/NssVjdp

 

My thanks to DCN for posting that spread of the programme that made the IDs of most of them much easier for establish!

 

If you come across any photos of a Morris registration CCV 952 then I would be very pleased to see them please! This is my car and it ran at Poole in 1939 and 1947.



#24 Odseybod

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Posted 01 April 2020 - 16:14

I'm afraid those are the only Poole ones I have. My Dad didn't join The Motor until 1952/3 - I think he was probably with The Garage & Motor Agent in 1947 so was probably covering it for them (he somehow convinced them they needed a Sports Editor, to complement their erudite write-ups on decarbonising kits, grease guns and so on).  At least it netted him a press pass for this and similar events, though almost certainly not his grumble in The Motor about the plethora of classes at Poole (not that he wouldn't have agreed, with a long journey back to London afterwards).

 

Steve, if CCV 952 was competing in other events at the time, it's always possible he was there, too, though again whether he pointed a camera in its direction is another matter. But you never know ...



#25 Steve L

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Posted 01 April 2020 - 21:48

Thanks. My Morris ran in all sorts of events from 1937 to 1972! Speed trials, races, hillclimbs, mud plugging trials. At Brooklands, Poole, Backwell, Trengwainton, Davidstow, Shelsley Walsh, Brighton, Gloucester, Lands End... Plus many more I am sure I still have yet to discover.

If you ever come across any images I would be very grateful to know.

#26 cooper997

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Posted 02 April 2020 - 05:59

1947 Poole results as published in the October 1947 The Light Car.

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#27 Perruqueporte

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Posted 02 April 2020 - 20:09

What a great thread - thank you, Doug.

I imagine that all of those meetings will have been proper “sporting” events, with a good day’s sport uppermost in the minds of all who attended, and all the better for it.

The mouse who nibbled the Elstree programme had good taste, albeit misapplied.

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Posted 02 April 2020 - 20:26

On Elstree Motor Sport opened its report by noting approvingly that there was “a Brooklands entry and attendance.” John Eason Gibson (in Motor Racing 1946) also commented on the “nearest thing to Brooklands” atmosphere, noting the “marvellous smells, incredible types in moth-eaten sports jackets and everyone wandering about being inquisitive,” although he was concerned about “one possible flaw … some of the beards.” Motor Sport signed off its report with a comment that “while some of the cars were rather queer, it was nothing to the fashions, ladies' siren-suits vying with a certain gentleman's sports coat and Edwardian chauffeur's hat!”  So presumably the right crowd were there – even if some of them were considered improperly dressed – and they must have found it difficult to avoid crowding each other while spectating. And those sartorial comments about beards, moth-eaten sports coats and the hat must surely be an in-joke directed at Jenks ...



#29 Odseybod

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Posted 02 April 2020 - 21:55

Some Elstree fashions, from the paternal archive.

 

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#30 Tim Murray

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Posted 02 April 2020 - 21:59

Is that DSJ with beard, and hands in pockets, in the second photo?

#31 Michael Ferner

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Posted 03 April 2020 - 07:31

Certainly looks like.



#32 Vitesse2

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Posted 03 April 2020 - 07:32

Is that DSJ with beard, and hands in pockets, in the second photo?

Definitely. And could that be a back view of WB turning the crank handle of the Bug?



#33 cooper997

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Posted 03 April 2020 - 08:38

I dont't know if Steve L's Morris is in this lineup. Looks like a 95 in the rego of the second last car. Is your car the Morris listed in the The Light Car results I posted?

 

Note the incorrect date published in the Iota feature - that would make it a Tuesday..

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I and suspect a few others, would be grateful if Doug Nye could post the other Poole Sports Car Class entry lists - must have the Cooper Triumph listed. Thanks in anticipation...

 

Stephen

 

 



#34 Eric Dunsdon

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Posted 03 April 2020 - 08:55

Those wonderful Elstree snaps certainly took me back and I wasn't even there!. Nice to see D.S.J finding time to talk to a schoolboy spectator. Typical of him.



#35 Tim Murray

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Posted 03 April 2020 - 09:15

I did wonder if you might be that schoolboy, Eric.  ;)

#36 bradbury west

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Posted 03 April 2020 - 09:19

Is that Holland Birkett with the flat hat, specs, and moustache?
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Posted 03 April 2020 - 10:53

Is that Holland Birkett with the flat hat, specs, and moustache?
Roger Lund

Don't know if it's him but he was there. According to the VSCC write-up he competed in an unblown 5-litre Bugatti truck and made 21.6 sec.

 

I think the Bugatti in the first two photos is the 2.3 litre Type 51 of Peter Monkhouse which made FTD at 15.2 sec and the Darracq in the third photo is one of the two (or was it one driven twice?) driven by Rivers Fletcher and Peter Monkhouse. Peter Monkhouse and Ian Connell were in business as Monaco Engineering of Watford but the Motor Sport write-up refers to Monkhouse driving the "ex-Connell" Darracq


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#38 Eric Dunsdon

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Posted 03 April 2020 - 11:22

I wish that it had been Tim!.



#39 Steve L

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Posted 03 April 2020 - 13:52

I dont't know if Steve L's Morris is in this lineup. Looks like a 95 in the rego of the second last car. Is your car the Morris listed in the The Light Car results I posted?

 

Note the incorrect date published in the Iota feature - that would make it a Tuesday..

1947-Iota-Poole-01.jpg

 

I and suspect a few others, would be grateful if Doug Nye could post the other Poole Sports Car Class entry lists - must have the Cooper Triumph listed. Thanks in anticipation...

 

Stephen

 

Hi, thanks for posting this!

 

Yes, my Morris is the one mentioned in the results (3rd in 1100cc Unsupercharged Class driven by Charles Burleigh) and is shown in your photo.  I have another photo from the same event showing it with the same entry number 9.  This new rear view is particularly interesting to me as it shows that the rear bodywork had been changed during wartime.  But it is a a nice photo generally as it sums up the arrangement and atmosphere of these early post war events.



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#40 RogerFrench

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Posted 03 April 2020 - 14:25

Pretty sure that's not " Uncle Holly" , Roger. It might be Tom Lush though.

The Poole results show Jim Martin getting a second place in his MG, which brings back the memory of "Uncle Jim" and the car, both of whom lodged with us for a while. The car had 4 stub exhausts and was highly supercharged. It made a fearsome noise, echoing over the meadows bordering the Severn, as the single-seater racer was road-tested on the back lanes. A chap drove from across the river, up through Gloucester and back down the other side, to see what it was. He thought it might be an ERA!

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#41 BRG

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Posted 03 April 2020 - 15:45

On Elstree Motor Sport signed off its report with a comment that “while some of the cars were rather queer, it was nothing to the fashions, ladies' siren-suits vying with a certain gentleman's sports coat and Edwardian chauffeur's hat!”  

So the much maligned turn-out at the Revival is in fact period-accurate?



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Posted 03 April 2020 - 16:45

Don't know if it's him but he was there. According to the VSCC write-up he competed in an unblown 5-litre Bugatti truck and made 21.6 sec.

 

I think the Bugatti in the first two photos is the 2.3 litre Type 51 of Peter Monkhouse which made FTD at 15.2 sec and the Darracq in the third photo is one of the two (or was it one driven twice?) driven by Rivers Fletcher and Peter Monkhouse. Peter Monkhouse and Ian Connell were in business as Monaco Engineering of Watford but the Motor Sport write-up refers to Monkhouse driving the "ex-Connell" Darracq

Isn't that Rivers Fletcher behind the Bug with the dark coat and also doing something doubtful to the poor man working on the engine?



#43 Odseybod

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Posted 03 April 2020 - 20:21

Isn't that Rivers Fletcher behind the Bug with the dark coat and also doing something doubtful to the poor man working on the engine?

My Dad was a friend of Rivers Fletcher for some time before the war - a shared affliction of Bentleys and love of ERAs - so it's quite possible they'd have met up at Elstree, or even gone there together.



#44 cooper997

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Posted 04 April 2020 - 00:27

Hi, thanks for posting this!

 

Yes, my Morris is the one mentioned in the results (3rd in 1100cc Unsupercharged Class driven by Charles Burleigh) and is shown in your photo.  I have another photo from the same event showing it with the same entry number 9.  This new rear view is particularly interesting to me as it shows that the rear bodywork had been changed during wartime.  But it is a a nice photo generally as it sums up the arrangement and atmosphere of these early post war events.

Steve, If you would like this Iota page in a higher res then pm your email.

 

Stephen



#45 cooper997

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Posted 04 April 2020 - 02:05

Hopefully Tony doesn't mind me adding his dad's great photo direct to this thread, rather than via the link he posted earlier.

 

I've been trying to come up with an answer to who this is with the Alta. Rightly or wrongly I've come up that it could very well be Geoffrey Taylor?

 

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#46 cooper997

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Posted 04 April 2020 - 02:32

Monkhouse, Connell & Rivers-Fletcher as mentioned in other posts

 

From 17/9/47 The Motor

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#47 Tim Murray

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Posted 04 April 2020 - 03:21

Well well. Many years ago TNF determined pretty conclusively (with reference to his death certificate etc) that the name Rivers Fletcher was a first name and surname and thus should not be hyphenated. Now here is the man’s own business ad - and his name is hyphenated. :confused:
Perhaps whoever drew up the ad got it wrong, and no-one noticed until it was too late.

(see this and subsequent posts)

#48 RTH

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Posted 04 April 2020 - 05:28

Wasn't there a very early post WW2 motorsport event  around  some service roads on a partially built housing estate in  either Cockfosters or Southgate ( which blend in to one these days )? I seem to remember Rivers Fletcher  or his son  mentioning it once .



#49 Tim Murray

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Posted 04 April 2020 - 05:52

Yes indeed - the Cockfosters Grand Prix, held on 14th July 1945:

The Cockfosters Grand Prix

Cockfosters - July 1945

The latter thread featured some more of Odseybod’s father’s photos, but sadly they no longer appear.

#50 Steve L

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Posted 04 April 2020 - 08:26

Steve, If you would like this Iota page in a higher res then pm your email.

 

Stephen

 

Many thanks Stephen. I'll do that.