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#1 Rupertlt1

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Posted 24 April 2020 - 21:43

I have been in touch with Martin Krejci, in Ostrava, Czech Republic.

 

He has been working on Czechoslovakian race results:

 

https://www.racingsp...coun=CS&to=1969

 

https://www.racingsp...&to=1969&page=2

 

He says:

Our public FB group is here: https://www.facebook...84263285046211/

 

"I have seen that last decade the Czech races in forum like this were mainly covered by a man who helped me a lot during the pre-internet era. We stopped being in touch when I started my website and got way more data from the world. But he was a great help. I think his name was Stanislav Štěpánek. I think I still used some of his 15 year old forum efforts for a couple of races with my recent updates."

 

Martin would like to receive any updates from TNF.

 

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#2 Tim Murray

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Posted 25 April 2020 - 03:02

Stanislav used to be a regular poster here (as ‘sat’ and ‘st59cz’) and still comes here occasionally. He has the most amazing knowledge of and results from events all around the world and especially from (the former) Czechoslovakia, and has been a great contributor to this forum. If Martin (himself an occasional poster here) wishes to re-establish contact with Stanislav he should be able to do it via a forum PM. Here are profile details for ‘sat’:

https://forums.autos.../user/4898-sat/

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Posted 25 April 2020 - 04:39

It is possible anyway st59cz is not used anymore.



#4 Ray Bell

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Posted 25 April 2020 - 07:38

Oh, can he tell us exactly where this photo was taken?

 

Brno-01.jpg



#5 Rupertlt1

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Posted 25 April 2020 - 10:26

Oh, can he tell us exactly where this photo was taken?

 

Brno-01.jpg

 

 

https://forums.autos...4-a-mystery-pic

 

Portoroz (Slovenia)? Opatija? Does this thread help?

 

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Edited by Rupertlt1, 25 April 2020 - 10:31.


#6 Michael Ferner

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Posted 25 April 2020 - 10:38

No, I'm sure it's Brno, and the question was where exactly on that very long circuit. My (not very qualified) guess it's shortly after the start/finish straight?



#7 LittleChris

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Posted 25 April 2020 - 13:40

Definitely Brno in its pre 1975 form. The stands in the distance are situated at the start / finish line and the final version used until 1986 rejoined the original track on the inside of the curve before the stands



#8 Ray Bell

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Posted 25 April 2020 - 14:59

Ah, the stands...

 

I couldn't pick what they were, but now you mention it, that's exactly what they were.

 

I had figured that it was almost certainly the stretch leading to the final gentle curve to the start/finish line, but camera angles and focal length distortions, allied with changes to the scenery over the past fifty-plus years made it hard to be totally sure.

 

The road which curves off to the right near the bend actually comes under the road which is the circuit and turns left before swinging right towards Kohoutovice and is the road used to shorten the circuit to just under 11kms in 1975. This view covers the whole area of the photo I posted:

 

0601-35-topofstraight.jpg

 

And this is a pic I took on the overbridge with the final curve in sight and a little link road just visible going off to the right, more visible in the black and white pic:

0601-36-overbridge.jpg

 

That's the link which allowed the road from Kohoutovice to join the circuit at this point, while Google Earth's street view below the underpass shows the embankments which can be seen in the black and white pic.

0601-37-fr-GEoverpass.jpg

 

Whether or not that road from Kohoutovice has changed in that time I'm not sure, but like I said, different photos make it appear to be different now.

 

 

 

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Edited by Ray Bell, 25 April 2020 - 15:00.


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Posted 27 April 2020 - 12:27

2003ne10.png

this is the area of the pits and the years of the layouts, if I am not wrong all of them clockwise

1954_p11.png

this is the area in 1954

1954_p10.png

 

a detail 

1972_p10.png

 

this is the same area in 1970-72 

pit_de10.png

a detail of the previous map to show construction


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#10 Rupertlt1

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Posted 15 July 2021 - 04:21

Brno Grand Prix, 3 September 1967

"A weekend later, the Flag would return

behind the Iron Curtain to contest the Formula Three

Brno Grand Prix in Czechoslovakia. Both Beckwith

and Van Lennep lapped the Masaryk circuit below the

existing lap record to line up on the front row alongside

the de Sanctis of Manfred Mohr. The lead trio battled

hard for the opening laps, but as the race progressed,

Van Lennep was forced to retire his DAF with a split fuel

tank. Battle raged between Beckwith and Mohr until

two laps from the end when the exhaust fell off the

Briton's car, his German rival leading him home by 12

seconds, following more than an hour's racing."

A Chequered Life: Graham Warner and The Chequered Flag, Page 106

Book by Richard Heseltine

 

http://www.the-fastl...a2/F367_E64.htm

 

Mike Beckwith, Gijs Van Lennep

 

RGDS RLT


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#11 AleSi

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Posted 07 February 2022 - 21:23

Hi all. I have a curious question. I have published photo book about Masaryk Circuit for 90 anniversary of the track. Every photo (mixed cars and bikes) has a short story. The book has more than 300 pages, every page has  one photo. You can see more details on the link below. And if you click "Listovani" under the title photo or ukazka.pdf below on right, you can see a few inside pages.

 

Anyway, the book is only in czech language and I´m curious how much interest it can generate in foreign countries if it would be translated in english. What do you think? Should we think about it with the publisher?

 

Cheers

Ales

 

https://www.albatros...v-okruh-90-let/



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Posted 07 February 2022 - 23:52

I would be even interested in acquiring it in Czech if I could understand how to do it in the  Albatrosmedia page you quote...(English translation does not work in my computer).



#13 Michael Ferner

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Posted 08 February 2022 - 07:34

Yes, the interest is there. I would prefer a translated version, though, "Freddiemu Spencerovi..." just doesn't do it for me :blush:  :)



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Posted 08 February 2022 - 14:16

Michael, unless Pan Spencer had been the subject of a rather drastic medical procedure, I think he would be spared the -ova suffix, which is normally only added to the surname of the female of the species in CZ (although his surname might still be challenging, with 'c' being pronounced 'ts', so that for example Vaclav is pronounced Vatslav = Wenceslas).

 

My late Czech-born wife did her best to hide on one of our early returns to Bohemia, when the Prague airport information desk put out a call for a Mrs Turnerova ...

 

I wonder about a tri-lingual version of this book. The Czech - German - English combination seems to happen quite often there, especially with photo books such as this one seems to be, where I imagine most of the text is in the form of captions.



#15 Michael Ferner

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Posted 08 February 2022 - 14:58

Kdyz bylo Freddiemu Spencerovi jedenadvacet let, stal se nejmladsim sampionem kralovske kubatury.

 

=> Google translate =>

 

When Freddie Spencer was twenty-one years old, he became the youngest champion of royal cubature.

 

 

The word "sampionem" looked quite familiar, but even Google couldn't handle "kubatury", which I think is "culture"? Anyway, even without all the diacritics it's cumbersome to translate via Google, and the end result is only just so-and-so. :well:



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Posted 08 February 2022 - 15:28

Ah, sorry, forgot about case endings (including -ovi), another complication. Travelliing with one's own personal translator, I tended to be protected against such things (though with the risk of being told occasionally "You don't need to know that.").

 

I'm very unreliable but  think kubatury may be a smiling/slang reference to engine size (like US 'cubes')  - so something like 'the youngest champion in the most prestigious engine size" (only in better English).



#17 Michael Ferner

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Posted 08 February 2022 - 15:32

That makes sense!  :up:



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Posted 08 February 2022 - 16:09

I would be even interested in acquiring it in Czech if I could understand how to do it in the  Albatrosmedia page you quote...(English translation does not work in my computer).

 

Unfortunately Albatros or any other bookshop don´t send book abroad. That´s what I want to talk about with my editor, about the possibility to sell book to other countries or to do english version.



#19 AleSi

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Posted 08 February 2022 - 16:15

Ah, sorry, forgot about case endings (including -ovi), another complication. Travelliing with one's own personal translator, I tended to be protected against such things (though with the risk of being told occasionally "You don't need to know that.").

 

I'm very unreliable but  think kubatury may be a smiling/slang reference to engine size (like US 'cubes')  - so something like 'the youngest champion in the most prestigious engine size" (only in better English).

 

That´s it. -ovi and others case endings are specialities of czech language. And you are right, kubatura means engine sizes. Common word used in motorbike world. I played with the words a lot during the writting, so I think google translator isn´t the best way to translate it. It would be quite difficult for the google algorithm. 



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#20 AleSi

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Posted 08 February 2022 - 16:18

Kdyz bylo Freddiemu Spencerovi jedenadvacet let, stal se nejmladsim sampionem kralovske kubatury.

 

=> Google translate =>

 

When Freddie Spencer was twenty-one years old, he became the youngest champion of royal cubature.

 

 

The word "sampionem" looked quite familiar, but even Google couldn't handle "kubatury", which I think is "culture"? Anyway, even without all the diacritics it's cumbersome to translate via Google, and the end result is only just so-and-so. :well:

 

I understand you Michael. The case endings aren´t nice even for me, when I talk about well-known people from the world, but that´s the way it is and as I said, the google translator isn´t good way to read it. However it works great from czech to english.



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Posted 08 February 2022 - 16:54

That´s it. -ovi and others case endings are specialities of czech language. And you are right, kubatura means engine sizes. Common word used in motorbike world. I played with the words a lot during the writting, so I think google translator isn´t the best way to translate it. It would be quite difficult for the google algorithm. 

Ahoj a děkuju.

 

I'm hoping to visit my family in the Czech Republic (sorry, don't like Czechia!) in a month or two. Would I find your book in Praha, at least in the Czech language - perhaps even in Foto-Skoda? It looks excellent, even for just the photos!



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Posted 11 February 2022 - 13:16

Hi all. I have a curious question. I have published photo book about Masaryk Circuit for 90 anniversary of the track. Every photo (mixed cars and bikes) has a short story. The book has more than 300 pages, every page has  one photo. You can see more details on the link below. And if you click "Listovani" under the title photo or ukazka.pdf below on right, you can see a few inside pages.

 

Anyway, the book is only in czech language and I´m curious how much interest it can generate in foreign countries if it would be translated in english. What do you think? Should we think about it with the publisher?

 

Cheers

Ales

 

https://www.albatros...v-okruh-90-let/

One option which may or may not appeal to you, is to publish an English language version on Amazon, where it can be printed on demand. I imagine they'd take most of the revenue, but it would enable publication without commiting to a print run.



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Posted 11 February 2022 - 16:39

Ales, I think you would be surprised at the interest if an English/German language edition was issued. I don't know of any similar book and I would certainly be interested.  The older long circuit was one of those I wish I had made the effort to get to. If you do produce such an edition please tell us all here.



#24 AleSi

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Posted 13 February 2022 - 13:39

Ahoj a děkuju.

 

I'm hoping to visit my family in the Czech Republic (sorry, don't like Czechia!) in a month or two. Would I find your book in Praha, at least in the Czech language - perhaps even in Foto-Skoda? It looks excellent, even for just the photos!

 

You can buy it in any bookshop. The bigger shop, the better chance. 



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Posted 13 February 2022 - 13:49

One option which may or may not appeal to you, is to publish an English language version on Amazon, where it can be printed on demand. I imagine they'd take most of the revenue, but it would enable publication without commiting to a print run.

 

Well, I have a conctract with publisher and it´s always a matter of question of supply and demand. We would need to do at least 1500 prints and be sure, that most of them would be sold, unless the publisher wouldn´t do it.



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Posted 13 February 2022 - 13:52

Ales, I think you would be surprised at the interest if an English/German language edition was issued. I don't know of any similar book and I would certainly be interested.  The older long circuit was one of those I wish I had made the effort to get to. If you do produce such an edition please tell us all here.

 

Thanks. If you ever want to visit Brno and circuit, let me know. I will show you around the old track. I have done it with a lot of people, including Vasek Polak jr,, who´s father raced here in 1949. 



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Posted 31 March 2022 - 04:14

24 September 1950: Czechoslovakian G.P. Brno

1. Hovorka (Maserati); 2. Sojka (Tatraplan)

Autosport, 26 January 1951, Page 103

 

HARD on the heels of my announce-

ment that the Czechoslovakian G.P.

had been cancelled came the news that

it had been won by a Czech driver by

the name of Hovorka, driving a Maserati.

Apparently it was only the international

aspect of it that was cancelled, the

People's Republic having decided that

any motor race run within their borders

should have only national competitors.

Autocar, 29 September 1950, Page 1036

 

Much more here: https://forums.autos...ian-grand-prix/

 

RGDS RLT


Edited by Rupertlt1, 31 March 2022 - 05:34.


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Posted 11 July 2022 - 22:08

You can buy it in any bookshop. The bigger shop, the better chance. 

 

AleSi, I will be in Prague end of August. Would like to buy your book. Can you indicate a particular bookshop where it can be bought? Thanks in advance



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Posted 18 July 2022 - 06:44

Brno Grand Prix, 3 September 1967

"A weekend later, the Flag would return

behind the Iron Curtain to contest the Formula Three

Brno Grand Prix in Czechoslovakia. Both Beckwith

and Van Lennep lapped the Masaryk circuit below the

existing lap record to line up on the front row alongside

the de Sanctis of Manfred Mohr. The lead trio battled

hard for the opening laps, but as the race progressed,

Van Lennep was forced to retire his DAF with a split fuel

tank. Battle raged between Beckwith and Mohr until

two laps from the end when the exhaust fell off the

Briton's car, his German rival leading him home by 12

seconds, following more than an hour's racing."

A Chequered Life: Graham Warner and The Chequered Flag, Page 106

Book by Richard Heseltine

 

http://www.the-fastl...a2/F367_E64.htm

 

Mike Beckwith, Gijs Van Lennep

 

RGDS RLT

 

Brno International

Not since 1949 has Czechoslovakia held a truly 

International Formula 1 Grand Prix.  On the 

other hand, she retains her famous Brno road

circuit, albeit somewhat attenuated since pre-

war days when it measured 18 miles round. 

Even so, the lap length today is 8.64 miles,

making it a hilly, rugged and truly worthy road

circuit, heavily taxing the endurance of the

Formula 3 cars which nowadays race there. This

year's Brno GP on September 3 was over 12 laps,

a distance of 103.68 miles, and was won by the

German driver Manfred Mohr in a works de

Sanctis from Mike Beckwith in a Chequered Flag

Brabham-DAF and the Swiss Bernhard Baur in 

a Brabham BT18. Beckwith diced hard with

Mohr for the lead, but later slowed when his

exhaust pipe broke away and finished 12 secs back.

Dutchman Gijs Van Lennep in a second Chequered

Flag Brabham-DAF retired with a ruptured

fuel tank. Czech champion Vladimir Hubacek, 

who earlier won the Socialist Countries F3 Cup

race, was fourth with a Lotus 41, the Austrian

Kurt Keller (Merlyn) was fifth and Frieder 

Radlein from East Germany in an East German

Wartburg-Melkus sixth. There was some dispute

as to whether Keller actually finished ahead of

Hubacek, but the official results showed the

Lotus man ahead. Eighteen cars finished, 18

retired.

The other major event at the Brno 2-day

meeting on September 2-3 was the 6 hours race

for sports cars. This was spoiled by an edict

from the Austrian Autoclub preventing the

sizable contingent of Austrian drivers from 

competing. The Swiss pair, Rico Steinemann

(editor of the magazine Powerslide) and Dieter

Spoerry won the race in their Porsche Carrera

from their compatriots Schwarz and Dorner in a

Porsche 911. Two Czech Tatra 603 T2s were

third and fourth, and two Renault 8 Gordinis

fifth and sixth.

The meeting was greatly enlivened by the

presence of Mike Spence with an H16 Formula 1

BRM, who thoroughly delighted the enormous

crowd of circa 200,000 spectators. He put in two

4-lap demonstrations over the weekend, 

turning a fastest lap in 4m 43.4s, a speed of

110.79 mph.

Motor Racing, October 1967, Page 476

 

RGDS RLT


Edited by Rupertlt1, 18 July 2022 - 06:45.