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#1 webfoot

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Posted 25 April 2020 - 16:43

Does anyone please have any technical spec data for the Len Bailey designed Alan Mann built Mildren Mono Alfa Romeo, as driven by Frank Gardner in the 1969 Tasman Cup? 

 

Trying to model it in to the Grand Prix Legends historical racing computer sim, but can't find any hard data to help simulate it accurately.  Any data would be useful, even basic dimensions such as wheelbase, front and rear track don't seem to be published anywhere.

 

thanks in advance to anybody who can help.

 

 



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#2 Adrian Beese

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Posted 25 April 2020 - 20:52

Try the Promotion website, loads about the car on there

#3 Adrian Beese

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Posted 25 April 2020 - 20:54

Primotipo,damn predicted text

#4 Dale Harvey

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Posted 25 April 2020 - 21:19

Get in touch with Bruce Ayers, he owns it.

Dale.



#5 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 26 April 2020 - 04:28

There was an article on the car is RCN or Chequered Flag when it was in Ray Winters ownership.



#6 MarkBisset

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Posted 27 April 2020 - 04:10

Webfoot,

 

Many thanks to Adrian Beese.

 

I’ve not yet finished one big article on the Mildren Yellow Submarine but there is quite a lot of information spread thru quite a large number of articles, this link takes you to a listing which may be of use; https://primotipo.co...ellow submarine

 

Plenty to keep you going for a while! 
 

Mark



#7 Wirra

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Posted 27 April 2020 - 08:40

Alfa powered.

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Waggott powered.

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#8 Lee Nicolle

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Posted 27 April 2020 - 11:00

Alfa powered.

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Waggott powered.

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Frank is too tall for the car.



#9 Bonde

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Posted 27 April 2020 - 12:30

Frank is too tall for the car.

...or perhaps the car is too low for Frank :-)

 

It's interesting how driver's "got away with" (or let themselves get away with) poking the top of their heads over the roll hoop for decades. Henri Pescarolo always sat well proud of his roll hoops in both F1 and prototypes in the early 70s. Having said that, some of the modern day extended hoops are rather grotesque to look at (and some surely must significantly increase the bending moment at the root relative to the originals).

 

Sorry about the derail...I've got a rainy day off...



#10 webfoot

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Posted 27 April 2020 - 15:27

Webfoot,

 

Many thanks to Adrian Beese.

 

I’ve not yet finished one big article on the Mildren Yellow Submarine but there is quite a lot of information spread thru quite a large number of articles, this link takes you to a listing which may be of use; https://primotipo.co...ellow submarine

 

Plenty to keep you going for a while! 
 

Mark

 

 

 

Thanks for all the feedback. 

 

Looking forward to your big article Mark.  I have seen all that great stuff on Primotipo.  It is an essential site and has already proved invaluable to progress on the project.  Many thanks for your work not just on Tasman but other historical articles.

 

Still looking for some technical data on the car.  May have to resort to estimating some measurements from photographic evidence.

 

I have reached out to Bruce and also to Alan Mann Racing in case they can help us.



#11 Ray Bell

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Posted 27 April 2020 - 22:05

Originally posted by Wirra
.....Waggott powered.
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Note that the profile of the rollover bar is narrower with the Waggott engine?

And that the bar was then mounted on the chassis rather than the engine?

Frank's concern might also have been the proximity of the back of his neck to the radiator header tank...