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[midgrid]

F1 is eighties-bound in its choices, with the 1989 Brazilian Grand Prix added to the list of choices, alongside 1982 Monaco and 1999 Australia.

 

Which race would you like to see next?

 

https://www.formula1...DrXs7ncINl.html

[Spillage]

I went for Monaco 1982, which I've never seen all the way through and, with loads of leaders retiring, would fit together nicely with last night's broadcast of the 1999 European GP.

[Maustinsj]

Wasn't Monaco the one where nobody seemed to want to win?

[PayasYouRace]

Gotta be Brazil 1989 for me.

 

At least I've already done the spotter guides for the other two. So just one to do for next week.

Edited by PayasYouRace, 30 April 2020 - 18:08.

[Risil]

I feel duty bound to vote for the Mansell one.

[Hakki069]

Went for 1989 Brazil.

Is there one this Saturday like normal? If so what race they showing?

[midgrid]

It's not a public vote, so they usually announce it just the day before.

[GoldenColt]

Brazil 1989, this is an easy one.

[midgrid]

It's not a public vote, so they usually announce it just the day before.

 

Now announced: it's the 2008 British Grand Prix.

[Albaforever]

As a Mansell fan - Brazil 1989 for me. 

[Collombin]

I think Mansell would have won Monaco 1982 if Patrese hadn't managed to get going again.

[PayasYouRace]

I think Mansell would have won Monaco 1982 if Patrese hadn't managed to get going again.

 

Entirely reasonable. He was fourth but he was actually the second car still running. He was just a lap down so couldn't unlap himself from Pironi and de Cesaris. Without Patrese he'd have done that extra lap and won.

[TomNokoe]

Monaco 1982 wins!

[PayasYouRace]

Here's your spotter guide:

 

 

Couldn't find a profile of the Theodore, but you won't be seeing it anyway.

[LucaP]

So I guess "image not available" Parker Johnstone is driving the Theodore uh?

http://www.race-cars...385403094pp.htm

Edited by Luca Pacchiarini, 05 May 2020 - 17:47.

[LucaP]

Please remind me, is the "Fittipaldi" team a direct rebranding of Copersucar or different project?

[PayasYouRace]

Please remind me, is the "Fittipaldi" team a direct rebranding of Copersucar or different project?

 

Copersucar was just Fittipaldi's sponsor.

[noriaki]

Please remind me, is the "Fittipaldi" team a direct rebranding of Copersucar or different project?

 

Copersucar was the rebranding of Fittipaldi, this is the debranded version

[PayasYouRace]

Also, four tyre manufacturers in the entry.

[Risil]

With Patrese's number 5 his sponsor looks a lot like "Spamalat"

[Risil]

Anyway, cool choice for the race. I didn't think this one would be picked. Suspect there'll be a lot of waiting around for the last 20 laps but equally a lot of the pleasure of these old races has been dissecting the weird and brilliant words that come out of Murray Walker, so for 2 hours around Monaco there'll be plenty of that.

[William Hunt]

1982 was at the same time a fantastic year but also a terribly tragic year. And the Monaco '82 race was just totally insane, great choice.

My favourite driver won that race (won't say who for the ones who don't know).

Edited by William Hunt, 05 May 2020 - 21:51.

[midgrid]

With Patrese's number 5 his sponsor looks a lot like "Spamalat"

He's actually number 2 (the BT49 graphic is of the 1981 iteration), so it's "parmalatZ" (this particular image is of the BT50: as a side-note, when did a team run two different cars over multiple races due to driver preference since then?)..

[Spillage]

Must have been pretty hard to tell the McLaren and Alfa apart during the heat of the moment.

Anyway, I'm looking forward to this as I've never seen it all the way through. And also to see the ground effects cars, which visually are quite different from everything else the sport has seen.

[TomNokoe]

 

[SophieB]

Is this the race where immediately afterwards Keke Rosberg was complaining on TV how the car was blistering his hand badly and everyone was like, uh huh sure blisters can be painful I guess’ and then he held up his hand and AAAARGH it was missing what seemed like half the skin?

[midgrid]

I think that was the 1983 race which he won, but don't quote me on that!

[Bleu]

I've watched many of these races live as they happened but this one surely not as I wasn't born yet.

[ANF]

Giacomelli starting third? Wow.

Edited by ANF, 06 May 2020 - 18:06.

[Risil]

Through Ste Devote

The corner's very slow

First gear corner

Up the hill they go

 

Poetry corner with James Hunt!

[SophieB]

Even though this is 1982, this feels hugely seventies. 

[Risil]

Giacomelli starting third? Wow.

 

And De Cesaris seventh!

 

Alfa Romeo are of course the only world championship winning team not to have used a normally aspirated engine.

[Spillage]

Is there actually a station at the station hairpin? If so it's a rare crossover for my two nerdy interests .

[Risil]

Even though this is 1982, this feels hugely seventies.

I have a theory that in many fields of life the 1980s as we remember them didn't really get going until 1984 or so.

[Risil]

Well Arnoux bloody took off didn't he

[Spillage]

At what point did commentators start shouting at every race start? Murray sounds positively calm here.

[SophieB]

At what point did commentators start shouting at every race start? Murray sounds positively calm here.

it was like he forgot the race was about to begin, he was chatting over the start.

[Bleu]

Is there actually a station at the station hairpin? If so it's a rare crossover for my two nerdy interests .

 

The building of the hotel was completed in 1975 and before that there was a station.

[LucaP]

I have a theory that in many fields of life the 1980s as we remember them didn't really get going until 1984 or so.

Please elaborate, it's interesting

[Risil]

Somehow the trackside sponsors in 1982 are way less sketchy than the 1996 ones.

[TomNokoe]

Speed through the chicane is frightening

[Risil]

Please elaborate, it's interesting

 

I'll do it later when I've had a chance to think about it a bit more!

[ANF]

This was the first round after Zolder where Villeneuve was killed.

[SophieB]

That is a LOT of lighting in the tunnel.

[TomNokoe]

Terribly annoying buzzing voice in the background. Feedback from comms I think

[Risil]

Interesting technical points about 1982-era cars from James Hunt: the turbos are heavier than the normally aspirated cars because they consume way more fuel and therefore have to carry it round with them, and owing to the ground effects chassis the cars run with very little suspension travel.

 

There was so much going on technically at this time. Turbos, underwings, carbon fibre and whatever weird stuff Gordon Murray was trying.

[midgrid]

Rampant Renaults run riot! The atmospheric cars are gasping, even at this circuit.

[Risil]

This was the first round after Zolder where Villeneuve was killed.

 

Yeah. Odd how no one's mentioned it, but then again in 1982 I guess death in Grand Prix racing was still common enough that the main reaction was to repress it and try to soldier on.

 

On a less tragic note it's also Williams' second race without their team leader Carlos Reutemann, who abrubtly retired after Long Beach. So we're in the odd position of two of F1's 4-5 top teams running depleted driver line-ups. I don't know if anyone would've believed you in spring 1981 if they'd told you that in 12 months the Williamses would be driven by Keke Rosberg and Derek Daly.

 

Edit: While I was going on and on Murray Walker did actually mention Gilles' death.

[Spillage]

I'm always amazed by how far forward these drivers appear to be sitting in the cars. Maybe it's just an optical illusion but I'd expect a broken foot nearly every time they hit the barrier.

[Anja]

The weirdest part for me is that they're not going around the bump on the straight after Casino Square. It just looks... wrong.