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[FirstnameLastname]

The ‘best bits’ of each of this years (original) races... sliced and stuck together to create the ultimate track....

https://t.co/UcEqoMVghb

Would be quite the challenge!... I like sectors 14/15/16

[404KF2]

Looks like a spaghetti nightmare.  Some of the elements are from tracks that are absolute trash.

[LucaP]

"I have tried to keep it as realistic as possible" = Seven overpasses

[PayasYouRace]

These combined tracks are nothing new, and a quick search on Youtube will reveal plenty that have been done before. Alternatively you can just go to Magny-Cours or COTA which did it in real life.

 

My main take away from watching that is that I'd love to see a Grand Prix on a mega circuit with a 5 minute lap. But they don't really exist anymore apart from at the Nurburgring which isn't really possible either.

[Anja]

My main take away from watching that is that I'd love to see a Grand Prix on a mega circuit with a 5 minute lap. But they don't really exist anymore apart from at the Nurburgring which isn't really possible either.

 

I've been saying it for years - F1 needs more variety and less standardization in circuits. It would be an easy way to mix up the season and a better test of skill for both teams and drivers. 

[Vielleicht]

These combined tracks are nothing new, and a quick search on Youtube will reveal plenty that have been done before. Alternatively you can just go to Magny-Cours or COTA which did it in real life.

My favourite used to be one where somebody stitched together bits of all the tracks on Papyrus's Grand Prix Legends.

 

I'm amazed there's still a group of enthusiasts developing that game unofficially in 2020.

Edited by Vielleicht, 02 May 2020 - 11:04.

[Jovanotti]

"I have tried to keep it as realistic as possible" = Seven overpasses

[PlatenGlass]

Insane!

 

I've been saying it for years - F1 needs more variety and less standardization in circuits. It would be an easy way to mix up the season and a better test of skill for both teams and drivers. 

 

Yes, definitely. And that means variety across circuits, not trying to get every circuit have all the variety in each one. i.e. you don't want every track like this one - you want your Monacos as well as your Hockenheims (old version) and Monza. Obviously as part of that variety, you can have the odd track like this as well that tries to put everything together but you definitely don't want them all to have a "bit of everything"!

[Ross Stonefeld]

The problem with this is <random corner from Monaco> and <random corner from Silverstone> won't feel like their original variants because not only are the setups completely different for both those circuits but effectively the cars are too. You'd end up with some weird optimized setup that makes every corner effectively new, which may or may not improve it. That might be such a high downforce track that all the fun corners become flat. 

[PayasYouRace]

The problem with this is <random corner from Monaco> and <random corner from Silverstone> won't feel like their original variants because not only are the setups completely different for both those circuits but effectively the cars are too. You'd end up with some weird optimized setup that makes every corner effectively new, which may or may not improve it. That might be such a high downforce track that all the fun corners become flat. 

 

That effect was demonstrated very well with the stadium section at Hockenheim. It didn't change much at all when the circuit was renovated in 2002, but because of the change in the rest of the circuit it's character changed completely. Ultra-low downforce cars used to really struggle round it. The medium set up required on the modern circuit has made that section faster and easier to drive.

[AustinF1]

It'd be cool if we could create an "Ultimate F1 Reporter".

 

Imho it wouldn't include any 'best bits' of Will Buxton.

[William Hunt]

a great track depends imho more on the environment than on the shape of the track. An epic background (like the mountains at Zeltweg / Spielberg) helps but also elevations: the track going up and down. Spa has the ardenne woods as background which is quite epic as well.

I generally like tracks in a natural environment, all tracks from the '50s-'60s had that.

 

My favourite tracks from the current calendar are Spa, Suzuka, Sao Paulo (although I would prefer the old Interlagos track which was much longer), Monte Carlo (for the background scenery alone already) and Montréal (always great exciting races there). Spielberg is pretty great too but the old Zeltweg was better and also a quicker track, I also like the Baku track a lot from the newer circuits.

 

I wish we had Adeläide back on the calendar but I'm glad we've got a historic place like Zandvoort back and I think it will provide better racing as people suspect. 
I would prefer a race at Brands Hatch as the British GP over Silverstone.

Edited by William Hunt, 02 May 2020 - 17:54.

[azza200]

I've been saying it for years - F1 needs more variety and less standardization in circuits. It would be an easy way to mix up the season and a better test of skill for both teams and drivers. 

 

I agree not only that they need to stop every track having a similar set up into a chicane or hairpin and stop having Tilke design or configure current circuits as they all look the same as so many tracks now look the same and have no soul left in them. 

 

The old spa eau rouge for example looked unique in the 90's early 00's but now on camera the start line looks like any other track on the calendar. And other parts of Spa now also look like they could be on any other track these days. Other tracks are the same Silverstone same fate 

[Atreiu]

The only circuit which there is not a single section I’d use on a fantasy track is Abu Dhabi.

[AustinF1]

These combined tracks are nothing new, and a quick search on Youtube will reveal plenty that have been done before. Alternatively you can just go to Magny-Cours or COTA which did it in real life.

 

My main take away from watching that is that I'd love to see a Grand Prix on a mega circuit with a 5 minute lap. But they don't really exist anymore apart from at the Nurburgring which isn't really possible either.

Yep. But the funny thing to me about COTA in this regard is that the best bits there (T1, 10, 19) are unique to COTA and aren't the bits that were copied from other circuits (Maggots, Beckets, Istanbul T8). 

[pitlanepalpatine]

Why is it always a focused a complex bit and everything else is just distance area? The center is ridiculously complex corner wise and the west, north and east extensions are just cruise control design. The big prolbem with long straights is that you can't get out of the car to make a cup of tea while you're driving them

 

Also...add this in the 2020 codemasters so everyone can drive it and absolutely hate it since...there isn't an actual season.

Edited by pitlanepalpatine, 02 May 2020 - 21:33.

[Beri]

It'd be cool if we could create an "Ultimate F1 Reporter".

Imho it wouldn't include any 'best bits' of Will Buxton.

[absinthedude]

I would have thought that we've learned that transplanting great parts of circuits into another doesn't work....context is everything. 

[Yamamoto]

I tried doing this and came up with this:

 

Let me know if you need me to talk it through.

[messy]

The only circuit which there is not a single section I’d use on a fantasy track is Abu Dhabi.

Or Sochi. They’re both sh*te.

[ANF]

I tried doing this and came up with this:

 
Let me know if you need me to talk it through.

I only recognised the circuit by the stupid pit exit.

Edited by ANF, 03 May 2020 - 20:22.

[Yamamoto]

I only recognised the circuit by the stupid pit exit.

 

I think the two main distinguishing features of the track were the pit entry and exit. Neither impression favourable. Safe to say that's not a winning formula.

[Atreiu]

I like Sochi’s turn 3.

Stupid pit exits are a Tilke trademark, but Yeongam does have redeeming features.

[noikeee]

I tried doing this and came up with this:


Let me know if you need me to talk it through.

We should build it in the middle of nowhere and then build a whole new town around the track. The new town will revitalise the place and everything will eventually pay for itself. Infallible plan.

[ANF]

Remember the original pit exit in Korea? Drivers would rejoin the track straight into turn 1.

Edited by ANF, 04 May 2020 - 06:11.

[wj_gibson]

Personally I really liked Yeongam as a circuit. 
 

The idea of a circuit designed by just stitching together bits of other circuits is daft imo. The best designs work with the gradient of a site, they’re not just two-dimensional. Eau Rouge and Pouhon, for example, wouldn’t be quite the corners they are if they were flat.

[PayasYouRace]

I think the two main distinguishing features of the track were the pit entry and exit. Neither impression favourable. Safe to say that's not a winning formula.

I always said they put the pits on the wrong side of the track. But Tilke prioritised a quayside paddock over practical track layout.

[Risil]

Hermann Tilke is such a mystery. Did he know what he was doing? How many of his bad ideas were really his, and which ones were forced on him by Bernie/the FIA/the race organizers?

[Atreiu]

Hermann Tilke is such a mystery. Did he know what he was doing? How many of his bad ideas were really his, and which ones were forced on him by Bernie/the FIA/the race organizers?

 

Agreed.

 

Abu Dhabi's pit exit, for example, who the feck came up with it? Yeongam and its triple chincane after the 3rd straight, why? One simple slow corner would have been enough.

 

So much wasted potential.

[PayasYouRace]

I've been saying it for years - F1 needs more variety and less standardization in circuits. It would be an easy way to mix up the season and a better test of skill for both teams and drivers. 

 

Been searching for some long, modern circuits.

 

The Iberia Circuit in southern Spain, when the two independent Almeria and Andalucia layouts are combined you get 5.729 miles/9.22 km of race track.

 

 

36 turns, and two straights roughly a kilometre each. It's pretty much a testing facility at the moment, but put in some proper facilities and you could have races there.

[Risil]

Sounds a bit like Miller Motorsports Park in Utah.

[Radoye]

Been searching for some long, modern circuits.

 

The Iberia Circuit in southern Spain, when the two independent Almeria and Andalucia layouts are combined you get 5.729 miles/9.22 km of race track.

 

36 turns, and two straights roughly a kilometre each. It's pretty much a testing facility at the moment, but put in some proper facilities and you could have races there.

Could be even longer if the hairpin turn is used instead of T16.

[Yamamoto]

I like Sochi’s turn 3.

Stupid pit exits are a Tilke trademark, but Yeongam does have redeeming features.

 

 

Personally I really liked Yeongam as a circuit. 
 

The idea of a circuit designed by just stitching together bits of other circuits is daft imo. The best designs work with the gradient of a site, they’re not just two-dimensional. Eau Rouge and Pouhon, for example, wouldn’t be quite the corners they are if they were flat.

 

It did have some interesting fast corners. Take out the Tilke twiddles that Atreiu mentioned and it would probably flow better. Was never sold on the fetish for colossal back straights either, I presume some of the idea was to provide overtaking opportunities, particularly emphasised in the pre-DRS era.

[messy]

On the Racing sims I always hated Yeongam, I just thought it was utterly horrible. I remember massive, massive long straights and tight corners, then a really nasty section of horrid tight turns leading into long corners with fiddly apexes and just.....ugh.

I quite enjoyed the Indian (Buddh International was it?) track though.

[Brawn BGP 001]

I think the two main distinguishing features of the track were the pit entry and exit. Neither impression favourable. Safe to say that's not a winning formula.

Think both were an afterthought after the City round S3 plans lol.

Edited by Brawn BGP 001, 04 May 2020 - 23:03.

[FirstnameLastname]

Valencia

[noriaki]

Yeongam and its triple chincane after the 3rd straight, why? One simple slow corner would have been enough.

So much wasted potential.

Tilke once said Hockenheim's stadium sector is one of his favourite corner sequences. I guess that should explain the sequences of extremely slow corners that can be found on every Tilkedrome.

[Murl]

It'd be cool if we could create an "Ultimate F1 Reporter".

 

Imho it wouldn't include any 'best bits' of Will Buxton.

 

[New Britain]

I like Sochi’s turn 3.

Stupid pit exits are a Tilke trademark, but Yeongam does have redeeming features.

Hermann Tilke has been a favourite whipping boy of racing fans for the last twenty years, but I don't think that has been fair to him.

The guy is a true racing enthusiast and petrolhead. For years he drove (and drove well, I might add) in the VLN series at the Nordschleife - you don't do that if you're ignorant of or indifferent to challenging circuits.

His problem has been that he doesn't get to choose the site and topography of a circuit, he doesn't get to decide the budget for developing the property, and he doesn't set the FIA standards to which the circuit must conform. He has to make the best of what is usually a bad hand and - especially if someone were injured - everyone would look to blame him first.

[Atreiu]

You make it seem there is no freedom at all in creating a circuit and all he did was sign the papers where a track had been created by FIA and topography.

I wonder how Silverstone got away with a faster circuit better for racing...

[LucaP]

Sometimes people cite FIA regulations as an excuse for Tilke's questionable works... but then I see Termas del Rio Hondo and Portimao, that meet the same specifications...

[New Britain]

Sometimes people cite FIA regulations as an excuse for Tilke's questionable works... but then I see Termas del Rio Hondo and Portimao, that meet the same specifications...

Usually what makes a great circuit are elevation changes. If the land on which the circuit is to be built is flat - which has often been the case for modern circuits - it's very difficult to work around that.

[pierrre]

how about something like this. after the start of the race, all racers will choose which side of the track they would want to use and split the field when they reach that section. no acr will be held up and will race head to head..just a mad idea

 

[PayasYouRace]

Isn't that what we in the trade call a "Super Special Stage"?

[Bleu]

Two-car superspecials traditionally have crossover don't they? Like ROC stadium tracks.

[PayasYouRace]

It’s stupid because the entire fascination of battles for position on a race track comes from the fight for track position and the race craft required to achieve that.

[Spillage]

I don't think Tilke's tracks are that bad generally. The thing that spoils them for me is the oceans of tarmac runoff but that's hardly his fault.

 

Also none of them have much character, but that's something that only comes with time and history. What would we say if Imola or Monaco were new today? That they're rubbish because overtaking is impossible. Lots of tracks that would be considered bland and featureless if they were new are now considered classics because of the history they've generated and the support they bring. If you transplanted Monza to Korea I doubt it would be anywhere near as good.