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[jee]

He also assumed that only the top drivers were affected by software issues while in reality only they have been the ones vocal and got the media attention about it.

[Lights]

The rundown of the pit issue of the #14 driven by Alonso doesn't align with how the team has explained it either. This guy is making it sound like it was their own fault.

 

It's a lot of casual blabla with a piano background tune to make it all sound sophisticated.

[PayasYouRace]

More information as to what happened:https://www.youtube....h?v=s-5PacgpBGI

 

Good video. Decent summary of the whole thing.

[Myrvold]

The rundown of the pit issue of the #14 driven by Alonso doesn't align with how the team has explained it either. This guy is making it sound like it was their own fault.

It was no glitch though. He did get a penalty, no? You have two choices in rF2, serve it, or choose "no" in the pit-menu. If you serve it, you will not take the pit-stop at the same stop. If you choose "no" you'll take the normal stop, and can take the penalty within x-laps.

This is something the driver chooses when driving.

[TomNokoe]

The rundown of the pit issue of the #14 driven by Alonso doesn't align with how the team has explained it either. This guy is making it sound like it was their own fault.

 

It's a lot of casual blabla with a piano background tune to make it all sound sophisticated.

 

My understanding is that an rFactor 2 expert may have twigged what had happened and avoided the issue by changing their pit-lane preset.

 

On the live-stream, Alonso was coming through the Porsche Curves of his in-lap when he was given the stop-go penalty. Video Link

 

The reason why I say "on the live stream" is because that was 20 seconds behind real-time. I don't know if Eduardo's message was also 20 seconds behind or if it was actually "live" because Jimmy as a driver was plugged into Discord, etc.

• Worst case scenario, Eduardo's message was actually live via Jimmy on Discord, meaning Alonso received it when he was basically in the pit-lane already (because the video we're watching is slightly delayed).
   
• Best case scenario, he was in the Porsche Curves as per the live stream and would have had half a minute to change his change his settings, but still he's an rFactor noob.

Edit answered my own question: watching the video further, you can hear the message duplicated "in game" at 1:06:45 when Alonso is in pit-entry, which lines up with the worst case scenario I posted. So he wouldn't have had any time to change his preset. It was an inadvertent boob from race control. Definitely not a "glitch" and it technically Alonso's fault for not changing the setting, but totally unfair to expect him to know the intracacies of rFactor. I suppose typing out loud, rFactor shouldn't be so bloody granular and manual in its operation.

Edited by TomNokoe, 16 June 2020 - 16:28.

[Myrvold]

Edit answered my own question: watching the video further, you can hear the message duplicated at 1:06:45 when Alonso is in pit-entry, which lines up with the worst case scenario I posted. So he wouldn't have had any times to change his preset. It was an inadvertent boob from race control.

But the moment you pass the speed limit-line, the HUD changes to pit-menu (a menu he would've made ready for the stop beforehand). One of the top (if not the top) options are "Serve Penalty (X Laps)", one click to either left or right would remove that. He would've had time to do that in the time from speed limiter to the actual stop.

It all comes down to knowing about it before the race, something they seemingly didn't. And that's understandable.

[TomNokoe]

Yeah, edited my original post further

"Definitely not a "glitch" and it was *technically* Alonso's fault for not changing the setting, but totally unfair to expect him to know the intracacies of rFactor. I suppose typing out loud, rFactor shouldn't be so bloody granular and manual in its operation."

[Myrvold]

"Definitely not a "glitch" and it was *technically* Alonso's fault for not changing the setting, but totally unfair to expect him to know the intracacies of rFactor. I suppose typing out loud, rFactor shouldn't be so bloody granular and manual in its operation."

I'd actually say it's just as much a failure on Race Control as well. I wouldn't expect Freitas to know this either. But I know about some in Race Control that knew, and should've thought of the risk.

But in the end it's just one of those things. Just like the real world sometimes "one of those things" just happens.

[KWSN - DSM]

You can blame me, I threw a hex on both Alonso and Verstappen's cars.

 

[ForzaFormula]

Didn't bother with it. One minute in he's giving erroneous information, no research so likely the remaining eleven minutes was of equal bollocks. The war had been over 23 years in 1968.

Not at all, It was a good unbiased video with good overall comments about the event / sims in general. He was using humour but talking sense in what happened. I guess you like reading books from their cover and are upset they didn’t use iracing.

[ANF]

Yeah, edited my original post further

"Definitely not a "glitch" and it was *technically* Alonso's fault for not changing the setting, but totally unfair to expect him to know the intracacies of rFactor. I suppose typing out loud, rFactor shouldn't be so bloody granular and manual in its operation."

The pit stop settings did seem a little messy. Leclerc failed to make a pit request at one point early in the morning. He had to go straight through the pits and barely managed to lift and coast his way around another lap. And even pro-gamer Lando Norris failed to make a driver change, so one of his teammates had to jump in and make it for him. In hindsight, I guess they should have practiced these things a lot more.

[Myrvold]

The pit stop settings did seem a little messy. Leclerc failed to make a pit request at one point early in the morning. He had to go straight through the pits and barely managed to lift and coast his way around another lap. And even pro-gamer Lando Norris failed to make a driver change, so one of his teammates had to jump in and make it for him. In hindsight, I guess they should have practiced these things a lot more.

Requesting pit or not doesn't matter when it comes to actually being able to stop. However, not requesting a pit-stop/requesting it very late in the lap, so the pit crew doesn't have time to get ready, will make the stop take longer time (to simulate the pit crew scrambling to get tyres etc. to the car).

Also, how did the Redline guys jump in and make the driver change for him? Remotely control the PC?

[ANF]

Also, how did the Redline guys jump in and make the driver change for him? Remotely control the PC?

To be honest, I'm not sure they did jump in. But that was my understanding of their radio communication.
 
Edit:
Here it is, at 5:14:00 https://www.twitch.tv/videos/649611668
In the end, Lando was the one who selected Greger Huttu, but he was unable to select a driver until Huttu made some sort of change in his own game.

Edited by ANF, 17 June 2020 - 10:29.

[Myrvold]

Edit:
Here it is, at 5:14:00 https://www.twitch.tv/videos/649611668
In the end, Lando was the one who selected Greger Huttu, but he was unable to select a driver until Huttu made some sort of change in his own game.

Ok, the in-game chat window is obscured by the self-cam from Norris but from what I can see. When Huttu is asked to "ride along again" he goes out of passenger and goes in again. That was no big deal really. Hasn't Norris had issues with almost every sim/racing game he has used during this period. I seem to remember someone writing he uses WiFi?
It just seems like a minor hiccup in the game. It's always advised to jump in as a passenger 2-3 minutes before you stop, to check that everything works just for this reason  

 

But this was right before the red flag right? The red flag that was thrown as people had issues with driver swaps, most likely because people didn't leave the server as asked when they didn't drive. So it seems to be connected to drivers not doing what they were told pre-race

[KWSN - DSM]

The niggling issues the different teams had makes it a better experience, not worse.

 

[Doren]

We liked the race. It was interesting to listen to moderators in this format. 24 hours of the Nürburgring were already. Now Le Mans. The future has come.

[ForzaFormula]

 

To be honest, I'm not sure they did jump in. But that was my understanding of their radio communication.
 
Edit:
Here it is, at 5:14:00 https://www.twitch.tv/videos/649611668
In the end, Lando was the one who selected Greger Huttu, but he was unable to select a driver until Huttu made some sort of change in his own game.

 

Was an error on the users side not the game, there was something not right on Huttu's side, many of the issues where due to drivers/team not being fully prepered, redline was teaching Norris live in the race how to do driver swaps, even in the pits he was asking questions, stuff like this should of been taught before the event.

Edited by ForzaFormula, 18 June 2020 - 13:13.

[KnucklesAgain]

My understanding is that an rFactor 2 expert may have twigged what had happened and avoided the issue by changing their pit-lane preset.

 

On the live-stream, Alonso was coming through the Porsche Curves of his in-lap when he was given the stop-go penalty. Video Link

 

The reason why I say "on the live stream" is because that was 20 seconds behind real-time. I don't know if Eduardo's message was also 20 seconds behind or if it was actually "live" because Jimmy as a driver was plugged into Discord, etc.

• Worst case scenario, Eduardo's message was actually live via Jimmy on Discord, meaning Alonso received it when he was basically in the pit-lane already (because the video we're watching is slightly delayed).
   
• Best case scenario, he was in the Porsche Curves as per the live stream and would have had half a minute to change his change his settings, but still he's an rFactor noob.

Edit answered my own question: watching the video further, you can hear the message duplicated "in game" at 1:06:45 when Alonso is in pit-entry, which lines up with the worst case scenario I posted. So he wouldn't have had any time to change his preset. It was an inadvertent boob from race control. Definitely not a "glitch" and it technically Alonso's fault for not changing the setting, but totally unfair to expect him to know the intracacies of rFactor. I suppose typing out loud, rFactor shouldn't be so bloody granular and manual in its operation.

 

Thanks for the explanation, I just watched bits and pieces of the race and was quite confused. A shame too that Alo ran into that GTE. It seemed to me that he was running very well at that point, started 13th and was around P7 more or less legitimately, then for a short time even P4 when others pitted, before the accident happened. I was surprised that not many commented on this. The commentary missed it as well, but then they seemed to miss a lot, like the Alo crash

 

In total, I enjoyed it. And failed to watch it all despite best intentions like the real thing

The missing visual damage (and uninformative on-screen graphics) were a bit of a problem. If they can't render damage, they should put a colored dot on the car or something even if it's unrealistic.

Edited by KnucklesAgain, 21 June 2020 - 01:07.

[KWSN - DSM]

Ohhh and from a completly unbiased source.... the graphics are great!! Spousal Unit did not believe me when I said watching a simulation, she was looking and pointing 'that is a real car... that is not a computer car.. that is a real car!!"

 

Cudos rFactor.

 

 

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