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[PayasYouRace]

A stop gap solution is to completely ignore fastest laps if one is below P10. No point is awarded anyway.

FIA could sneakily make this change, no one really would be able to complain, they won't have to engage the Red Bull/VCARB conundrum, and VCARB are terrible so it means they can't be used for this purpose any more.

Basically would make all the complainants partially happy, and leave the crap teams like VCARB with no arguments against because having the fastest lap didn't give them anything anyway. It would only piss Horner off, but he can't admit to it anyway.

Maybe Max being cheeky this weekend gives Sulayem enough ammo to go ahead with this.

Wouldn’t a better solution be to stop giving the bonus point? Because drivers in the top 10 do the late stops too?

[jonklug]

If out of this we end up losing the point for FL then that's a huge win for F1. 

[PayasYouRace]

My point was more that Red Bull could have stolen 4 points in the last 4 races but it didn't happen and they didn't even attempt to do that. So this could well be a farewell present to Ricciardo than anything else. Moreover, we have seen other teams 'steal' fastest laps while finishing outside the top 10, so it's not unprecedented either.

It took decades for someone to realise that you could make a pitstop for fuel and be faster overall over a race distance, for example. Saying that they didn’t do it previously doesn’t carry much weight.

It’s also closer to crunch time in the championship. Teams are going to start doing increasingly desperate things.

[FirstnameLastname]

Merc or Ferrari should have scooped up all the cheap teams back when nobody wanted them, imagine having all those strategic options available to you by being able to deploy two extra cars

[WilliamsFWPH]

I don't get why Red Bull must have a B team inside the paddock. Abu Dhabi 2010 (the race in which Vettel was crowned champion). Webber hit the wall and entered the pit to change the tires. Massa was sent in by Ferrari to cover him up. Just watch what the Toro Rosso car did on both cases.

[jonklug]

Well then, that's nice

 

[BleuMurmure]

If out of this we end up losing the point for FL then that's a huge win for F1. 

With the recent advancement of AI. Pirelli and AWS F1 Insights should reward the fastest lap based on fuel load and tyre age and other factors

[Gareth]

Alonso pitted on the penultimate lap and took 1 point from Verstappen at the Austrian GP while finishing P18.

Yes this seems to be the only time it has happened in, what, 100+ races now where it could have done?

And the other time it happened it just happened to be a sister team doing it and taking the point off a title rival, and the team principal of the main team just happened to mention it on the radio straight after the race.

We all know what really went on.

[mjjTT]

Every race since this point got introduced the guys outside of the points could pit to get the fastest lap and not cost themselves anything. We’ve never seen someone do that before now.
 

 

Not sure I am misreading this sentence. But without really trying I could find already three times that somebody outside the points  pits at the end of the race and get fastest lap. Austrian 24, Bahrein 23 and US 23.

[pup]

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All good over there

What’s with the matchy matchy shirts? Is this a pajama party or have Zak and Horner joined a cult?

We have questions, Zak.

[SilverArrow31]

What’s with the matchy matchy shirts? Is this a pajama party or have Zak and Horner joined a cult?

We have questions, Zak.

Free pajamas with their first class plane tickets.

[Ivanhoe]

Yes this seems to be the only time it has happened in, what, 100+ races now where it could have done?

And the other time it happened it just happened to be a sister team doing it and taking the point off a title rival, and the team principal of the main team just happened to mention it on the radio straight after the race.

We all know what really went on.

Well you said it never happened, which was a false claim. I just corrected you. It is not unprecedented.

[Risil]

I think it’s wrong to have 2 teams with the same owner in the sport. This particular situation doesn’t bother me but I can’t think of any other sport with this would be allowed.

They should be forced to sell Alpha Tauri imo.

 

Now the terms of ownership have changed and each of the 10 franchises is worth quite a lot of money, I'm inclined to agree. Not too long ago it seemed to be a choice between Red Bull ownership and no Faenza team at all, but surely somebody outside the Red Bull empire could make a go of it now.

 

All that said I'd love it if the Austrians bought it and set up a no-Horner Red Bull team to compete with Milton Keynes.