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[mmmcurry]

I actually got to have a go last night, first time in ages. I decided to try the sports section, though started at the back for both races as I didn't have time to do a qually outlap, never mind a hot lap. The first one was fun, though the penalty system seems worse than GTS, I came out of the downhill hairpin of the Autrodrome Lago Maggiore – West End right behind someone, got on the outside of them into the left hander at the top, so had the inside at the following right, they just blundered into me and I got a 5 second penalty! It could be argued that trying exactly the same on the next lap and expecting something different is all my fault, but I thought it was a fair move.

 

The second race at Deep Forest was fun, started last (16th), finished last (12th), it was with a borrowed car and reversed so I'm blaming my lack of practice, but there seems to be more people quitting after crashing than on GTS. Ok, I managed to get by you, but as you'll have to wait for the next race anyway use it as a test session.

 

 

Did a couple of the challenges too, I have never liked the Fiji track, especially the last complex, at least I got my third spot so unless I decide to get all golds I don't have to try again. 

 

I'm at the point where I may start playing more online than solo, it feels more like racing rather than always starting at the back and fighting my way up.

 

Steve.

[Hati]

Got GT7 last weekend and have done about 8 hrs now. I'll save you all the suspense: I am not impressed. Not impressed because this is being released 5 years after GTS and everything about it is the same, or worse.

• The intro video was sooooo long I thought I'd downloaded  GT7 "the movie" initially! And now I discover this video plays every time the game loads up. Wonderful...
• What the heck was that stupid music game at the start? I'm not 9 years old, who at GT7 thought it was a good idea to put that load of naff at the start a "sim"...  

There are different tastes but if you can't exit intro video in same way it's ended in practically every game that has intro video then it's not Turismos fault. And nobody forced you to play that 'stupid music game' while the game was installed. Even if you didn't like it doesn't mean that most people didn't rather play it while game was installing instead of staring some progress bar.

[babbel]

It's possible to disable the intro video in the settings right? I don't have it anymore atleast

[Rinehart]

There are different tastes but if you can't exit intro video in same way it's ended in practically every game that has intro video then it's not Turismos fault. And nobody forced you to play that 'stupid music game' while the game was installed. Even if you didn't like it doesn't mean that most people didn't rather play it while game was installing instead of staring some progress bar.

 

Maybe everyone else thinks its the best thing in the game! But pretty irrelevant to me regarding what I think about the game. I think it starts the whole thing off on totally the wrong foot given its branded as "the real driving simulator". Surely a time trial in a nice sports car would have been more appropriate. 

 

Also the game had installed. I was basically instructed to play music rally. If it was skippable, well, that wasn't apparent...

[Rinehart]

It's possible to disable the intro video in the settings right? I don't have it anymore atleast

 

Praise the Lord if that's the case. I'll definitely have a hunt for that option, cheers. 

[babbel]

Praise the Lord if that's the case. I'll definitely have a hunt for that option, cheers. 

 

https://www.xfire.co...-opening-intro/

[messy]

I actually got to have a go last night, first time in ages. I decided to try the sports section, though started at the back for both races as I didn't have time to do a qually outlap, never mind a hot lap. The first one was fun, though the penalty system seems worse than GTS, I came out of the downhill hairpin of the Autrodrome Lago Maggiore – West End right behind someone, got on the outside of them into the left hander at the top, so had the inside at the following right, they just blundered into me and I got a 5 second penalty! It could be argued that trying exactly the same on the next lap and expecting something different is all my fault, but I thought it was a fair move.

 

The second race at Deep Forest was fun, started last (16th), finished last (12th), it was with a borrowed car and reversed so I'm blaming my lack of practice, but there seems to be more people quitting after crashing than on GTS. Ok, I managed to get by you, but as you'll have to wait for the next race anyway use it as a test session.

 

 

Did a couple of the challenges too, I have never liked the Fiji track, especially the last complex, at least I got my third spot so unless I decide to get all golds I don't have to try again. 

 

I'm at the point where I may start playing more online than solo, it feels more like racing rather than always starting at the back and fighting my way up.

 

Steve.

 

I find it quite ironic that as a single-player experience I still prefer Sport, which was designed as an online-only game! The whole 'start from the back and grind your way up past cars all running with the same gap between them' was old in 2003. Maybe it's just a bit of good old fashioned bias but I see the AI cars racing each other much more convincingly in Sport.

[PayasYouRace]

The whole 'start from the back and grind your way up past cars all running with the same gap between them' was old in 2003.

Where did that come from? I’ve seen a bit of GT7 gameplay and all the races seemed like that. I thought they were trying to recapture the spirit of the old games with 7, and the old games had proper races with grid starts, or formation rolling starts.

[messy]

To be fair, I think lots of GT games have felt a bit like that - maybe even as recently as GT6 although I haven’t played that for years so might be wrong. But in GT7 it seems worse somehow….I think given that GTS really focused on the racing, even offline, instead of the car collection racing-RPG type stuff. I was really excited at the idea of GT7 combining the ‘traditional’ Gran Turismo approach with the more modern racing from GTS but, nah, not really impressed. I think I’m just bored of games like this to be honest. Forza Motorsport is even worse.

[Alfisti]

There's a rabid base of old school fans who want to collect cars and do offline career mode, then there's the rest of us that just race online and GT is caught between those worlds. 

[PayasYouRace]

It’s not even the car collecting aspect for me. My garage at the end of GT and GT2 wasn’t that big. It was about picking a car you liked, or that matched the specs of the races you needed to do, and upgrading it as necessary. That’s what I’ve missed since the PS1 era. Already in the PS2 era they started throwing cars at you.

 

It’s really hard to find a game like that today, and GT7 doesn’t seem to have hit that spot.

[PayasYouRace]

What I actually came to this thread to say.

 

I was visiting Capri yesterday, and something felt very familiar about the marina and surrounding area. Then it hit me that I was where the Costa di Amalfi circuit from GT4 was based.

[mmmcurry]

It’s not even the car collecting aspect for me. My garage at the end of GT and GT2 wasn’t that big. It was about picking a car you liked, or that matched the specs of the races you needed to do, and upgrading it as necessary. That’s what I’ve missed since the PS1 era. Already in the PS2 era they started throwing cars at you.

 

It’s really hard to find a game like that today, and GT7 doesn’t seem to have hit that spot.

 

I agree, I had my favourites in GT1 (Speed 6LM, Viper, FTO LM were a few) and I'd match the car to the tracks, but I've not really done that since.

 

As an aside, has anyone found how to set the default TC level? I was losing time on one race until I remembered to turn that down, but not in enough time to catch up.

 

Steve.

[Alfisti]

NFI, in race cars TC kills you, unusable. 

[Ali_G]

Watkins Glen added as part of the latest update. Never driven the Glen in a sim before. I think it could be the best track in the game. Beautiful flow of corners. Love it.

[mmmcurry]

I had my first chance to play it in ages last night, so downloaded the update and gave it a whirl. New cars (to buy), new cafe missions and Watkins Glen. I only did the K car menu as it was getting late. Will have to give Watkins Glen a spin as I don't think I've raced there before.

[Alfisti]

It's a difficult track, fun though. Particularly hard in high powered cars. 

 

The changed to move Race A to a tunable, no DR or SR fun fest was a good one. Sometime you just want to dick around 

[Hati]

Never driven the Glen in a sim before.

I was familiar with it from Assetto Corsa mod, Drove circuit experience to gold, haven't driven anything else on it yet.

[babbel]

I've only ever driven the GPL version of the track before but this version is surprisingly fun 

[messy]

Must say, having given my opinion on this game a LOT on this thread without actually buying it, and based on only a couple of hours play on a relative’s PS5, I did finally buy GT7 and although I’m really not a fan of all this bloody grind I do accept that 1. It has a lot of charm and I appreciate the way they’ve tried to make it all quite an immersive experience with the cafe menus, the licenses, etc, and 2. It still drives and handles really well, I’d take Gran Turismo over Forza Motorsport any day, it just drives so much better.

I’m also really impressed how close the PS4 version is to the PS5 game. I mean, personally I think the only difference I’m really noticing to my untrained eye is the much slower loading times. And my PS4 sounding like a hairdryer/747 on takeoff while running it. The actual experience, even graphically, seems pretty much the same. And my PS4 isn’t even a Pro, it’s ancient. I went down the Xbox path instead years ago.

But the grind, the fact that at the moment I reckon it’ll take me weeks and weeks of ‘drive this Japanese sh*tbox from 8th to the top three and collect a Honda Jazz’ to unlock a track like the Nordscheife and be able to drive something like a Toyota LMP1 around it, is pretty depressing. I’m still not sure this offers much of an upgrade on Sport unless you really enjoy Stella telling you all about the Suzuki Swift Sport.

[Hati]

I have not have any need to grind yet. But since I've got about 20 milloin unobtained from circuit experiences and close to 150 milloins worth of expensive cars to buy (in addition to the inexpensive ones), so buying all cars would probably require more grinding I'm willing to do.

[messy]

Does anyone else get the worst reward on every roulette ticket they ever get? 5000 Credits, every time. AAARRRGHHH. I forgot I had those tickets, I discovered about twelve of them tonight, and earned what, ten lots of 5000Cr and a couple of exhaust bits for cars I don’t have.

I really enjoy this game whenever I pick it up. But I’m still miles away from being able to afford any really brilliant cars and the thought of having to jump into any more three-lap races eventually wears a bit thin.

[Hati]

I've stopped playing, I only look once in a while if update has opened new races. i have a medal of every race but since biggest pay is million credits from an hour of Spa I would need to do it well over hundred times to get enough money to get all cars. Not worth it.

 

Does anyone else get the worst reward on every roulette ticket they ever get?

 

It's not random, it's more like a hundred ball draw where 90 of those balls are for the worst option.

[mmmcurry]

I've only played once recently, I do like it, i just don't seem to have the time. The last time I had a go I had one 6 star roulette and a 4 star one. I won camshafts for one engine series (I forget which) and a supercharger for one specific engine. Once you get to most things opened up, you need to invest time on the longer challenges, or just grind to get the cars. I should have a look at the sport section, if I have the cars that should be more fun, though I seem to have to watch the how to race video every time (even if I can skip it).

[messy]

I shamefully caved and did exactly what Polyphony wanted me to do, I bought 750,000 credits and a Super Formula car so I can have fun round the Nordschleife. I can't be bothered with these roulette tickets. Back in GT Sport you could buy individual cars for like £2.50, but the microtransactions are way more expensive in GT7.

[mmmcurry]

Had another go, did pretty rubbish at the Trial Mountain sport race, but I'd not had time to qualify or test, so that's my excuse and I'm sticking to it... Got another 6 star ticket, but this time actually won 500,000. Need to get a good modern classic for the latest cafe menu thingy.

[messy]

As soon as I gave up on the roulette tickets ever paying anything decent out I won quite big on one, then back to winning a new engine for a car I don't own. But I've worked out that the circuit experience pays out quite well, a million credits for all gold on most of the tracks and the same for all bronze on the Nordschleife.

[HerbieMcQueen]

The penalty system still feels lacking in GT7. Today I spent some time doing the daily races, both at the Red Bull Ring and Spa. It seems the ghost of forensic track limits has made its way into the game from FIA headquarters. Collisions also seem to be a bit wonky penalty-wise, as I was punted off the podium at Spa by a Greek with a long brake pedal at the bus stop and he got off scot-free. Nevertheless, did the race again and won by 20 seconds. Hey ho.

[Roughy]

Anybody for Gran Turismo, the Spa race this week is great with variable weather.

[Roughy]

Road Atlanta GT3, epic, won a blinder of a race last night. I've never driven the circuit, thought I'd never master it after the first few laps, very decent once you get on top of it.

Edited by Roughy, 18 April 2023 - 10:10.

[babbel]

The penalty system still feels lacking in GT7. Today I spent some time doing the daily races, both at the Red Bull Ring and Spa. It seems the ghost of forensic track limits has made its way into the game from FIA headquarters. Collisions also seem to be a bit wonky penalty-wise, as I was punted off the podium at Spa by a Greek with a long brake pedal at the bus stop and he got off scot-free. Nevertheless, did the race again and won by 20 seconds. Hey ho.

 

I got hit from behind twice in a race both resulting in penalties for me and it caused my safety rating to tank. The end result is that I'm now driving with a bunch of people who treat it as playing bumper cars..

[mmmcurry]

I went back to this for the first time in a couple of months. First time I've been on the revamped Grand Valley track, so far it doesn't seem to flow as well as the old version, but early days. At the moment I'm mopping up the races that I've not done so I can afford a neo classic (or whatever the 80s-90s cafe challenge is called). At least now that I can sell duplicates of cars I have some in game cash.

 

Did an online race on Trial Mountain, was slowly catching up with and passing others, not sure if the tyres were too far gone or I just forgot how to drive, but my last lap lost me several places. The go karts on Tsukuba circuit was interesting, lots of oversteer and people quitting the race

[Alfisti]

I've had to give up on the game as it is unplayable with my control set up since the last big physics update. 

[PayasYouRace]

I guess some of you have probably watched this already, and it is three and a half hours long, but I hadn't realised how fundamentally broken GT7 is a game.

 

 

Forza may not be perfect but at least it isn't this. Glad I stayed with Xbox.

[Hati]

but I hadn't realised how fundamentally broken GT7 is a game.

 

I haven't watched the video (or will not) but if you don't notice the problems during tens or hundreds of hours of play it's not fundamentally broken even if someone in the internet claims so.

[messy]

I think GT7 is a flawed game and neither it or Forza are genre defining in the way they once were. That’s the problem, isn’t it? Great big, triple A racers used to be something really different and a bit of a novelty, Gran Turismo and Forza pretty much were the only franchises that did it, had the financial muscle to pull together all those hundreds of manufacturer licenses, they took over from the arcade racers like Ridge Racer and they were massive console sellers, tech showcases. But this is 2023 - I think in a way both games now come across slightly unnecessarily self-reverential, they still probably believe in their own hype more than the people who actually play them. Generalist games like this no longer quite ‘do it’ for people now used to proper focused sim racers like ACC or iRacing, and they don’t have the same pull for more casual players because they’re more interested in Forza Horizon or the latest big open world game or whatever, racers no longer have the big ‘wow’ factor. And I think GT7 is still a bit stuck in the 2000s and….up its own arse? Forza ‘23 kinda moves away from that, I think. People are complaining about a lack of character in it, personally I’m happy for it to lack character if that just means it lets you drive and does away with Forza Wheelspins, not to mention bloody roulette tickets, menu books and that which you find in GT….

The only thing I’d personally say is that GT still betters Forza in terms of the core feeling of driving, which is kinda lost under all the pomp. Maybe that’s just my personal preference, though. I’ve always preferred the slightly grippier, solid feel of GT handling over the more understeery Forza physics. Better with a wheel too.

Edited by messy, 15 October 2023 - 14:13.

[PayasYouRace]

I haven't watched the video (or will not) but if you don't notice the problems during tens or hundreds of hours of play it's not fundamentally broken even if someone in the internet claims so.

 

Maybe you should watch it, and at least see where the criticism is aimed at. From watching in I can certainly believe that you can have many hours of fun with the game, depending on what sort of gameplay you like. But as a single player campaign as we used to enjoy with the early games, it's fundamentally lacking to the point of insult, as I've seen many GT fans point out since its release.

[PayasYouRace]

I think GT7 is a flawed game and neither it or Forza are genre defining in the way they once were. That’s the problem, isn’t it? Great big, triple A racers used to be something really different and a bit of a novelty, Gran Turismo and Forza pretty much were the only franchises that did it, had the financial muscle to pull together all those hundreds of manufacturer licenses, they took over from the arcade racers like Ridge Racer and they were massive console sellers, tech showcases. But this is 2023 - I think in a way both games now come across slightly unnecessarily self-reverential, they still probably believe in their own hype more than the people who actually play them. Generalist games like this no longer quite ‘do it’ for people now used to proper focused sim racers like ACC or iRacing, and they don’t have the same pull for more casual players because they’re more interested in Forza Horizon or the latest big open world game or whatever, racers no longer have the big ‘wow’ factor. And I think GT7 is still a bit stuck in the 2000s and….up its own arse? Forza ‘23 kinda moves away from that, I think. People are complaining about a lack of character in it, personally I’m happy for it to lack character if that just means it lets you drive and does away with Forza Wheelspins, not to mention bloody roulette tickets, menu books and that which you find in GT….

The only thing I’d personally say is that GT still betters Forza in terms of the core feeling of driving, which is kinda lost under all the pomp. Maybe that’s just my personal preference, though. I’ve always preferred the slightly grippier, solid feel of GT handling over the more understeery Forza physics. Better with a wheel too.

 

It's been a while since I've played a GT, so I can't comment on the feel of playing. And as I'm not hardcore enough to play with a wheel so controller feel is important for me. What I get from simply watching GT7 in action is how sterile everything looks. It might feel great to drive by it still looks like GT4, just in higher resolution. The circuits, the events, look totally lifeless. I've also seen cars doing some pretty physics defying nonsense on occasion, but I'm sure all these games have that from time to time.

 

But I've bolded a statement which I think is a recurring theme in that video and what the author seems to think is part of the problem. Developers are simply assuming what people want to play, especially young people, or casual players, and the result is terrific simulations of driving with no actual game build around them, as appears to be the case with GT7. It's the assumption that these games can't have any wow factor because nobody will be interested if they did. I think that's wrong.

 

What you say about Forza '23 is what I've found playing it. It might not have "character" but it's an engaging and rewarding game. Nothing is less fun than a game with no or totally meaningless rewards. This is something that could easily be fixed though. The actual hard bit, the physics, the car and circuit models, etc. All that exists. It shouldn't be too hard to create a career mode with sensible progression through plenty of events and provide rewards that complement the experience.

[mmmcurry]

Spec 2 update released 2 or 3 weeks back, gave it a go:
 

New snow track

Weekly challenges

 

Had a go on the new track on a weekly challenge, rally stage, so depends if you like them in GT, I found it fun even though the car I chose was so stupidly powerful I couldn't open the throttle fully at any point.

The Weekly challenges are ok, mostly just the one currently available, but bigger payoff and more roulette wins, two of which were only for GR cars

 

I got the Escudo Pikes Peak which helped for the modern classics races, had to balance fuel mixture to get more than 2 laps out of it, but great fun.

 

For the problems mentioned above, it'd be nice if at least for some of the races they'd reintroduce qualifying, or at least not just bung you at the back. Maybe force you to have the least powerful car, stick you on pole and try and keep position rather than just playing catch up.

 

Also, turn off ghosting on sport, yes it's annoying when you get taken out, but so is having a car merge with yours which makes you lose sight of the track, ghost a car coming back on by all means, but not for swapping paint.

[mmmcurry]

Was on GT 7 the other night and displayed exactly why you don't drink and drive. Wasn't online, so no carnage to annoy anyone else.

[Huffer]

Was on GT 7 the other night and displayed exactly why you don't drink and drive. Wasn't online, so no carnage to annoy anyone else.

 

Let's be honest - would anybody have noticed? 

[babbel]

This game is so broken... After a guy spun right in front of me I got a 3 second penalty for overtaking under yellow    People pushing you off track from the side resulting in track limit penalties and the offender gets nothing. 

[mmmcurry]

This game is so broken... After a guy spun right in front of me I got a 3 second penalty for overtaking under yellow    People pushing you off track from the side resulting in track limit penalties and the offender gets nothing. 

 

Sounds like real life to me, I had a stop go at Parkwood karting 'cos someone lost it in front of me, I collected them and carried on. It does seem to be getting more and more lax though. Might have a spin this evening if I get the chance.