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#1 Fred.R

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Posted 17 June 2020 - 00:23

In the Blandon / Catford book  Elfin BB67-4  went to NZ for Andy Buchanan  with a Chev V8, been described as 396 C.I. or a  427 C.I. and possibly  later fitted with a 350 C.I. the book notes that the car had a longer wheel base , can any one confirm or deny any of these engine sizes, was it a Chev Big Block ?

 

Would any one know (Spencer maybe) was the car complete when it went to N.Z. or was the engine fitted to it in N.Z. ( to reduce the tax to be payed on it )

 

any Magazine articles in the period of the car ? a few photos have shown up on face book ,and what sort of success did it enjoy in N.Z.



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#2 TerryS

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Posted 17 June 2020 - 04:14

Suggest have a look at the NZ “The Roaring Season” forum. It any have something.

 

certainly there are photos there.



#3 opplock

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Posted 17 June 2020 - 08:34

When Buchanan first raced the car at Levin in Nov 67 it had a 6.5 litre engine. Graham Harvey replaced that with a 5 litre engine during 1968 and subsequently with a 5.7 litre. 

 

I'm not sure about wheelbase but I do remember reading an interview with Harvey in which he was asked about viability of converting the car to F5000. His reply was that the wheelbase was too short. The car won NZ Sportscar Championships in 67/68, 68/69, 70/71.  



#4 MarkBisset

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Posted 17 June 2020 - 10:12

Fred, 

 

Agree with Terry- see this The Roaring Season link; http://www.theroarin...-and-early-70-s

 

My primotipo Facebook page will have 10 or so shots over the years but it will be a laborious process...

 

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#5 cooper997

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Posted 18 June 2020 - 05:34

There's at least 3 related photos in the 1968 NZ Motor Racing annual. Another one in the 1969 edition and perhaps more in 70 and 71 (but I lent them to a chap named Bisset yesterday).

 

July 68 issue of Motorman has a centre poster and potentially more related items in other issues. But I have too many gaps in my Motorman collection.

 

If you can get the attention of TNF's 'ardmore' then you've got a chance to find more info and possibly photos.

 

 

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Posted 18 June 2020 - 06:59

I know this is taking the topic off to a tangent but I am intrigued by Graham Harvey's comment that the Elfin 400 was "to short to convert to F5000."

Would not any car with driver, V8 engine, gearbox and differential in a straight line be of sufficient length?

 

Always have been interested in the Elfin 400's from when Garrie first brought them out.



#7 opplock

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Posted 18 June 2020 - 10:43

 

I know this is taking the topic off to a tangent but I am intrigued by Graham Harvey's comment that the Elfin 400 was "to short to convert to F5000."

Would not any car with driver, V8 engine, gearbox and differential in a straight line be of sufficient length?

 

 

 

The interview must have been in Motorman late 71, early 72 when MANZ combined F5000 with the big sportscars (max 6 litres). The rationale was the lack of F5000s. Almost 50 years ago but my recollection is that he stated that wheelbase was significantly shorter than for example an M10B and that he was better off keeping car in current spec and using the big engine. 

 

A short WB F5000 based on a 5 year old sports car design would have required a lot of sorting and unlikely to have been competitive. 

 



#8 Patrick Fletcher

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Posted 18 June 2020 - 11:35

Interesting note in this story about what Andy Buchanan thought he was buying with the Elfin 400.

 

https://themotorhood...gotten-champion



#9 Ray Bell

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Posted 18 June 2020 - 12:51

I doubt that he thought anything about the engine at all...

 

He would have had to supply that himself. The story says, "meant to have", which probably means he tried to buy one and couldn't. There were certainly none in Australia and quite likely at that time there were no 6.5-litre Chevs in Australia either.

 

Where the story is really interesting to me is in the part where it's said he didn't buy the Ferrari. I knew that there must have been some sort of shennanigans going on, 'selling' it to a Kiwi and then 'buying' it back again was a way of avoiding taxes, which were exorbitant. So D-d-d-avid has done some paperwork with him, been able to show some sort of cash transfer, then repeated the process to get the car back, then paid the duties and taxes on a nicely aged and worn out model. 

 

Some of the story doesn't ring true. Andy ran the car for about a year, but it reads like it was on again and off again. Being called to come to the Farm unexpectedly just wouldn't have happened, the entry was made in his name and that meant he knew three weeks beforehand. And I'd take the 280kmh at Bathurst with a grain of salt, too. That had to be one of his first drives in the car. Spencer had done 2:34.2 the previous year, Buchanan 2:37.4, and Ian Geoghegan did 2:30.8 the next time it appeared, in 1968, and John Medley's book says he was timed at 154.1mph - 248kmh.

 

Checking the reports, Andy's first drive of the 250LM was in fact at Bathurst at Easter in 1966, his last at the NZ Tasman races of 1967. Bill Brown drove it at Sandown's Tasman meeting in '67, its first appearance again in Australia, and was entered but never ran at Bathurst. He did drive it on through 1967, however.

 

 

 

 

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Posted 18 June 2020 - 21:47

Mark's found this link that might be of interest and this Euan Sarginson photo from the 1969 NZ Motor Racing annual.

 

 

https://www.pressrea...281492161740061

 

Elfin-Buchanan-NZ-annual.jpg

 

 

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#11 Ray Bell

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Posted 18 June 2020 - 22:08

I do think, comparing photos, the rear body has more length ahead of the wheel...

 

Direct side-on shots would be handy.



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Posted 19 June 2020 - 08:28

The car was rebodied with a GEMCO shell (McLaren M8A copy) during winter of 1970. The large photo in cooper997's attachment shows the car in 1970/71 spec. 



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Posted 20 June 2020 - 01:58

This is as sideon as it gets from my ferreting around. Nicked from the Greenslade/Sarginson 1968 NZ Motor Racing annual.

 

1968-NZ-Annual-Buchanan-TNF.jpg

 

 

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#14 Ardmore

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Posted 20 June 2020 - 10:00

The centre-spread from the June 1968 Motorman magazine.The chassis number was BB67-4

 

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#15 Ray Bell

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Posted 20 June 2020 - 13:10

Thanks for that pic, Stephen...

 

Comparing it with a side-on of Matich's car first time out at Sandown it does look like it might have an inch or two extra wheelbase. The rear bodywork is different, too.

 

And on the subject of F5000s and sports cars like this, there was a car raced in New Zealand which, I'm sure, was said to have a Matich SR3 chassis.



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Posted 20 June 2020 - 14:25

The Katipo. Vercoe said it was an SR4. It raced twice in 1970 without distinction and was resurrected by Robbie Booth in 1976. I saw it at Manfield and on first sight (from a distance) thought it was an oversized U2. It was Ford V8 powered and completed 42 laps in a 50 lap race. Booth previously raced the Begg FM4 which would have been a lot quicker. 



#17 Ardmore

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Posted 20 June 2020 - 21:45

This is the Matich-based Katipo.

 

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#18 Ardmore

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Posted 20 June 2020 - 21:55

This is the Katipo in its later life as a hillclimb car driven by Dennis Phillips.

 

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Posted 20 June 2020 - 22:27

Wow re Katipo Ardmore!
That is a new one on me, it would be interesting to know what bundle of bits were made in Sydney and what on the other side of the ditch

 

In terms of the Buchanan 400s possible longer wheelbase, I don’t have Catford to hand to have a look at ‘the book’.

 

I’ve attached a long article on Bob Jane’s car which has plenty of photos in it as a ‘standard 400’ if you want to try to make visual comparisons, Matich’s chassis, Elfin 400 Olds aka his ‘Traco Olds’, whilst the first 400 finished was different in the rear bodywork- that was finished in Sydney not Edwardstown

 

https://primotipo.co...le-of-the-ball/

 

FM had race commitments over the 1966 Tasman meetings so it was trucked home so they could ‘get a wriggle on’

 

https://primotipo.co...-garrie-cooper/


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#20 Ray Bell

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Posted 21 June 2020 - 00:53

Perhaps James Lambert can check with Ron?

 

He might know.



#21 Fred.R

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Posted 21 June 2020 - 03:00

Thanks Ardmore for that side on shot, i did a bit of ropey scaling of that and a photo of BB66-1 and i get about 200mm longer in the wheel base, 

 

from Facebook ,Bill Hemming said that BB 67-4 was 6 inches longer in the wheel base and 4 inches wider in the track !  also a photo of BB 67-4 with a nose chop is on face book

 

so if understand correctly Buchanan ran the car with a 6.5 litre ( 396 CI =6.48 L) Nov.67

 

then Harvey with a 5 Litre (302 CI) in 68 then a 5.7 ( 350 CI) and at some stage chopped the "horns" off

 

Then Harvey ? rebodied with a GEMCO shell, was the Elfin body damaged or was this to modernise / upgrade the car ?

 

​Also from the Blanden/Catford book wheel base of a standard Elfin 400 was 91 inches from Wikipedia a Lola T332 was 102 inches



#22 cooper997

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Posted 21 June 2020 - 03:25

A theme - part-built Elfin 400s.

 

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The above is from Nov 67 Motorman. The reference of being premature in the September issue relates to the fact that it was stated in a brief report of Elfin building 14  racing and sports cars for the USA, the Buchanan car was said to have already arrived. 

 

 

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#23 Ardmore

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Posted 21 June 2020 - 04:26

This is another version of the Elfin as it was in 1971. Grahame Harvey leading Garry Pederson's Gemco Olds V8. The Elfin had the 5730cc engine and the high rear wind at that meeting. The car was later fitted with a Gemco body like that on Pedersen's car.

 

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