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#1 HeadFirst

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Posted 04 July 2020 - 22:15

Could not find a 2020 thread to discuss the fortunes of Checo, Lance and the team, so I started one. Seemed appropriate since they are further up the grid, at least to start the new season,



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#2 coppilcus

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Posted 05 July 2020 - 10:15

So...

 

Maybe Perez' race setup focus is to blame for this 'shortcoming'?

 

The team already spoke with caution about their right out pace and questioned their raw speed in comparison with Ferrari and McLaren, but they clearly got more in their car than what Sergio could deliver yesterday. Hopefully their true pace is mostly delivered in races and can defend themselves on Saturdays, and we're in for two outstanding seasons.

 

Hopefully...


Edited by coppilcus, 05 July 2020 - 11:13.


#3 jjcale

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Posted 05 July 2020 - 10:18

Fan of both drivers and the team .... very much looking forward to seeing how they go with the pink Merc.



#4 coppilcus

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Posted 05 July 2020 - 15:34

I can’t understand the team’s strategy, they were lucky to end P6...

#5 HeadFirst

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Posted 05 July 2020 - 17:51

Disappointing day for the team. With what transpired today (misadventure to others), RP should have scored good points from Stroll, and a podium from Perez. The potential is there, and the next race is a week away.



#6 Laster

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Posted 05 July 2020 - 18:04

If I were to guess the team felt they would have given up track position, they were running ahead of Mclaren if they had pitted they would assume they would end up behind them and Leclerc and having to fight their way passed. Instead all those three pitted and Racing Point was stuck trying to fend them off on old worn tyres.

#7 Collective

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Posted 06 July 2020 - 13:41

If I were to guess the team felt they would have given up track position, they were running ahead of Mclaren if they had pitted they would assume they would end up behind them and Leclerc and having to fight their way passed. Instead all those three pitted and Racing Point was stuck trying to fend them off on old worn tyres.

I'm still puzzled by the decision. It's Austria, not Monaco or Barcelona. Track position isn't that clearly "king" in this place. IMHO it was a terrible decision. Leclerc, Norris and Sainz got completely free pit stops; penalty or not Checo was going to lose out to them with those worn mediums.


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#8 coppilcus

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Posted 09 July 2020 - 16:36

Everyone is leaving their doors open...

 

https://racer.com/20...s-with-renault/

"Another team Vettel was asked about is Racing Point, and while he was less committal about talks with the future Aston Martin team, he acknowledged that the team’s level of competitiveness this season has caught his eye.

“I think Racing Point left a very strong impression, and are certainly are in a good place for this year,” he noted. “I know some members of the team quite well from my past and for a long time. It’s obviously a good opportunity for them this year, to have a good car to fight with and try and improve from there.”"

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Posted 11 July 2020 - 15:14

RP paying the price today of not signing a strong qualifier for this season. With Lance's seat guaranteed, that isn't likely to change any time soon.


Edited by beachdrifter, 11 July 2020 - 15:14.


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Posted 11 July 2020 - 15:37

Oh, boy...

 

Does the team bet everything on the qualifying being on Sunday? 

 

Perez was simply nowhere...



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Posted 11 July 2020 - 15:39

RP paying the price today of not signing a strong qualifier for this season. With Lance's seat guaranteed, that isn't likely to change any time soon.

 

A little bit over the edge, don't you think?

 

Both cars were nowhere in the wet...



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Posted 11 July 2020 - 15:50

RP's performance today was a bit of a mystery. As I said in the Williams' (edit - actually it was the Renault) Team thread, so much was dependent on being on fresh wets, at exactly the right time. Stroll was 1 corner away from Q3, while Perez was nowhere today ... did they have different set-ups, knowing tomorrow would be dry? I guess we'll find out tomorrow.


Edited by HeadFirst, 11 July 2020 - 19:07.


#13 ARTGP

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Posted 11 July 2020 - 15:52

Disappointing day for the team. With what transpired today (misadventure to others), RP should have scored good points from Stroll, and a podium from Perez. The potential is there, and the next race is a week away.

 

 

If I were to guess the team felt they would have given up track position, they were running ahead of Mclaren if they had pitted they would assume they would end up behind them and Leclerc and having to fight their way passed. Instead all those three pitted and Racing Point was stuck trying to fend them off on old worn tyres.

 

 

Racing Point are not used to being frontrunners.  They are so used to being the team qualifying out of the top 10 with the alternate strategy, then using alternate pit stop from behind to leap frog.  When the roles are reversed, they have no idea how to front run. 


Edited by ARTGP, 11 July 2020 - 15:52.


#14 HeadFirst

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Posted 11 July 2020 - 15:53

RP paying the price today of not signing a strong qualifier for this season. With Lance's seat guaranteed, that isn't likely to change any time soon.

 

Both seats are guaranteed ... Perez has a multi-year contract and Stroll is signed for next year. Btw ... the 2 looked pretty good yesterday, so it may have something to do with set-up.



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Posted 11 July 2020 - 15:53

Racing Point are not used to being frontrunners.  They are so used to being the team qualifying out of the top 10 with the alternate strategy, then using alternate pit stop from behind to leap frog.  When the roles are reversed, they have no idea how to front run. 

 

So it seems.



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Posted 11 July 2020 - 15:55

A little bit over the edge, don't you think?

 

Both cars were nowhere in the wet...

 

You knew coming into the season that this would be their achilles heel. Stroll is even infamous for it, e. g.

 

https://www.autospor...stroll-progress

 

https://www.crash.ne...ss-through-2019



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Posted 11 July 2020 - 15:56

Both seats are guaranteed ... Perez has a multi-year contract and Stroll is signed for next year. Btw ... the 2 looked pretty good yesterday, so it may have something to do with set-up.

 

It can't be truth!

 

You're only as good as your last session!!!

 

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#18 ARTGP

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Posted 11 July 2020 - 15:57

So it seems.

 

Or maybe they just thought they would copy the Merc's and everything would be ok!   :p

 

 

:lol:  :lol: .

 

Nah, I think it's again not used to being front runners. They'll learn from it.


Edited by ARTGP, 11 July 2020 - 15:58.


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Posted 11 July 2020 - 19:04

 

You knew coming into the season that this would be their achilles heel. Stroll is even infamous for it, e. g.

A few more wet qualifying sessions and he may become famous for it.



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#20 coppilcus

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Posted 12 July 2020 - 15:58

What a race!

 

A patty for Lance that he couldn't make the move on Ricciardo earlier...

 

But I'm glad they do not settled for fifth and attacked that Red Bull.



#21 HeadFirst

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Posted 12 July 2020 - 16:14

Great pace from Perez, some strong racing from Stroll, good points ..... what more can we ask. Maybe better qualifying next time???



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Posted 12 July 2020 - 16:38

Great pace from Perez, some strong racing from Stroll, good points ..... what more can we ask. Maybe better qualifying next time???

 

Yes...

 

But I don't blame them either for betting all against the cancellation of the wet qualifying. It's been the norm that the FIA cancels everything if three drops of rain fall.

 

They need to pick up the pace of mind at the pitwall!



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Posted 12 July 2020 - 16:40

Heard a lot of moaning, but I am glad they took the W10, they can take the W11 for my part next season, watching Sergio hunting down people on pace is ten times more exciting than him having to nurse his tyres like a magician and having no pace at all.

Edited by SonGoku, 12 July 2020 - 16:41.


#24 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 13 July 2020 - 16:09

Perez had a great race. He made a mistake with Albon in the end that put a dent on his race, but before that...a lot of wow. Pace was great, tyre management was great, his move around the outside of Sainz was great



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Posted 13 July 2020 - 18:13

yep, definitely a great race. Any idea what to expect in Hungary? Last year it was one of the team's weakest tracks, but the sector 2 times in Austria looked promising...



#26 coppilcus

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Posted 14 July 2020 - 10:17

The learning curve is tough, they have to grow in all the other aspects that an increment in pace relate to...

 

They understand that and if there's a team capable of metamorphosize throughout the season is precisely Racing Point. In the past it was forced due to development and resources restrictions, and today it's because of dealing with racing situations that they didn't had the opportunity to be involved in regularly. I expect more strategy mistakes and racing mistakes, from drivers, mechanics and the pitwall, but hopefully the learning curve is fast and they can maximize the results the car is capable of.

 

The view of the near future from Otmar:

 

https://www.motorspo...ronger/4833846/



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Posted 15 July 2020 - 00:04

The learning curve is tough, they have to grow in all the other aspects that an increment in pace relate to...

 

They understand that and if there's a team capable of metamorphosize throughout the season is precisely Racing Point. In the past it was forced due to development and resources restrictions, and today it's because of dealing with racing situations that they didn't had the opportunity to be involved in regularly. I expect more strategy mistakes and racing mistakes, from drivers, mechanics and the pitwall, but hopefully the learning curve is fast and they can maximize the results the car is capable of.

 

The view of the near future from Otmar:

 

https://www.motorspo...ronger/4833846/

 

This is spot on! Austria 1 was clearly a situation they haven't had to deal with it. It's relatively easy to roll the strategy dice when you're 13th on the grid, how do you   play strategy when  you're running at the front? It's a different game and they got caught out being too conservative. Pretty clear why a small team would do that...

 

They'll learn. I loved in the last race a couple of Perez' passes (on Norris and on Sainz), I loved the wheel to wheel moment with Stroll...clearly Perez made a mistake with Albon, Stroll with Ricci, but the performance was there for both drivers. I think in Sergio's hands they'll  race Albon pretty often. 



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Posted 15 July 2020 - 00:13

Yep, and Perez was near the absolute back of the grid in Race 2. People forget that in a sport that is labeled as difficult to pass, Perez drove his RP20 from P17 at the end the first lap, to what was effectively P4 if he stuck the move on Albon.  When do you hear a "midfield" car doing something like that. An achievement like that is typically reserved for a "Top 3" team.  

 

Safety car or not, to get around that many cars through strategy or on track overtakes, in a sport labeled difficult to pass, and on a weekend when they cranked up the downforce making it slower in a straight line is impressive.


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#29 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 15 July 2020 - 00:27

Yep, and Perez was near the absolute back of the grid in Race 2. People forget that in a sport that is labeled as difficult to pass, Perez drove his RP20 from P17 at the end the first lap, to what was effectively P4 if he stuck the move on Albon.  When do you hear a "midfield" car doing something like that. An achievement like that is typically reserved for a "Top 3" team.  

 

Safety car or not, to get around that many cars through strategy or on track overtakes, in a sport labeled difficult to pass, and on a weekend when they cranked up the downforce making it slower in a straight line is impressive.

safety car was on lap 1, and his start wasn't stellar. He hovered around 16-17th place with the Ferrari incident in T3.

 

This video is quite good https://www.facebook...752595995542755



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Posted 15 July 2020 - 01:08

safety car was on lap 1, and his start wasn't stellar. He hovered around 16-17th place with the Ferrari incident in T3.

 

This video is quite good https://www.facebook...752595995542755

 

bloody hell  :lol: , Even better than I thought. And to hunt down Albon after using his tires against all those other cars. You know you've got a massive pace advantage when you are passing cars as if aero wash doesn't apply to you....

 

I suspect if Racing Point had qualified where they should have....Perez would have given Bottas trouble for staying out so long.


Edited by ARTGP, 15 July 2020 - 01:09.


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Posted 15 July 2020 - 06:50

safety car was on lap 1, and his start wasn't stellar. He hovered around 16-17th place with the Ferrari incident in T3.

 

This video is quite good https://www.facebook...752595995542755

 

For a driver who's been in the midfield for that long, he's not too bad on his first few laps.



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Posted 17 July 2020 - 13:38

So it looks like Sergio could be out of RP next season and I really am disappointed. He deserves that seat while Vettel is yesterday’s man,

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Posted 17 July 2020 - 16:03

So it looks like Sergio could be out of RP next season and I really am disappointed. He deserves that seat while Vettel is yesterday’s man,


Would think rb would be interested

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Posted 17 July 2020 - 16:17

Aston Martin - Spin Martin?



#35 ARTGP

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Posted 17 July 2020 - 16:17

Would think rb would be interested

 

They should be, and they need a new title sponsor.



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Posted 17 July 2020 - 18:35

This could turn out to be a great project with Aston Martin entering F1, Daddy Stroll supplying the cash and having a driver like Vettel who is still hungry and determined to win after coming out of the toxic environment from Maranello! There's only one downside to all of this: keeping Stroll junior instead of Perez. Now I'm not a Perez fan, but he definetly deserves a seat as he became a really solid driver over the years, plus the money his sponsors pay (added to Stroll's). So it would be a win-win situation if their driver lineup would consist of Vettel & Perez, but it's highly unlikely that this would happen. Stroll is going nowhere next year and probably he will be in F1 until he gets bored or his daddy pulls out.


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#37 HeadFirst

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Posted 17 July 2020 - 18:51

This could turn out to be a great project with Aston Martin entering F1, Daddy Stroll supplying the cash and having a driver like Vettel who is still hungry and determined to win after coming out of the toxic environment from Maranello! There's only one downside to all of this: keeping Stroll junior instead of Perez. Now I'm not a Perez fan, but he definetly deserves a seat as he became a really solid driver over the years, plus the money his sponsors pay (added to Stroll's). So it would be a win-win situation if their driver lineup would consist of Vettel & Perez, but it's highly unlikely that this would happen. Stroll is going nowhere next year and probably he will be in F1 until he gets bored or his daddy pulls out.

 

Not sure any of this is a done deal yet, but in any case it would be better if a decision was to be made later, rather than sooner. I don't share your disdain for Lance,. He has looked much better this year, and waiting to make a decision later in the year, would allow him time to make his case.



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Posted 17 July 2020 - 18:53

Not sure any of this is a done deal yet, but in any case it would be better if a decision was to be made later, rather than sooner. I don't share your disdain for Lance,. He has looked much better this year, and waiting to make a decision later in the year, would allow him time to make his case.

He LOOKED, doesn't mean he actually was. I'd still keep Perez over him, even if he made progress.



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Posted 18 July 2020 - 14:14

Great Job by Stroll!!  :up:  :up:

 

Looking good for a P3-P4 tomorrow, the alternative tyre strategy could even see the Racing Points leading the Mercs at some point during the race


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Posted 18 July 2020 - 14:16

Great Job by Stroll!!  :up:  :up:

 

Looking good for a P3-P4 tomorrow, the alternative tyre strategy could even see the Racing Points leading the Mercs at some point during the race

Mercs are also starting on Mediums



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Posted 18 July 2020 - 14:16

Nice driving from Lance, he's been close to Perez all weekend, and nailed it in Quali.  Maybe Lance just needed a car like the W10 to get his confidence up, I hope he keeps it up.



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Posted 18 July 2020 - 14:17

Mercs are also starting on Mediums

Ah!
failZ


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#43 Disgrace

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Posted 18 July 2020 - 14:20

Can Stroll get another of his demon starts and lead into the first corner?  :D



#44 beachdrifter

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Posted 18 July 2020 - 14:27

I still remember the McLaren fans laughing off the RP in pre-season....



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Posted 18 July 2020 - 14:29

I'll bet 10$ that they changed a bit the setup to a wet race or mix condition - car was a bit less snappy then in FP3.

 

Amazing result, line 2 locked and let's hope the boys will have a great start tomorrow, one pink ahead of black in corner 2  :p

RP getting to Q3 on medium tyres, well, now i can say that i've seen something new ... it says all you need to know about how good the car is.  :clap:



#46 danmills

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Posted 18 July 2020 - 14:31

Stroll doesn't look too shabby

#47 Red5ive

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Posted 18 July 2020 - 14:32

Torn between saying well done - and wanting to throw rotten tomatoes and cabbages while shouting BOOO.......... :yawnface:



#48 Fanta

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Posted 18 July 2020 - 14:32

Stroll you beauty. He deserves that seat 100%



#49 SonGoku

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Posted 18 July 2020 - 14:33

I thought the RP should be slowing down during the season according to people around here? W10 Power!

#50 geralt

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Posted 18 July 2020 - 14:34

Seb should definitely try signing with them