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[warp]

From what I saw from RP20 it should suits Seb's style extremely well. If he somewhat regains 2013 form, Stroll will be left in a dust.

 

There are a few changes to be done to the aero of '21 cars... the floor at the rear is the most affected part. Make of that what you will.

[Marklar]

I actually think it doesnt suit Vettel. Easy to drive doesnt mean suits every driver. It actually has exactly the characteristics he doesnt like, but we are unlikely to notice since Stroll isnt the highest bar to clear.

[Rinehart]

Don't blame Otmar for Lawrence's politics.

It's not quite that simple. 

[Peter Perfect]

I actually think it doesnt suit Vettel. Easy to drive doesnt mean suits every driver. It actually has exactly the characteristics he doesnt like, but we are unlikely to notice since Stroll isnt the highest bar to clear.

 

Just been looking at qualifying comparisons where "This is calculated by comparing the best times of a pair of team mates in the last part of each qualifying session where both set a time."

 

https://www.racefans...ualifying-data/

https://www.racefans...ualifying-data/

 

Average qualifying gap at Racing point:

2019 - 0.127s in Perez favour

2020 - 0.052s in Perez favour

 

If we're assuming that Stroll struggles to work out which way up to hold the steering wheel then I guess he'd need a stable, easy-to-drive car to get as close as he has to Perez in terms of outright pace.

[Collective]

Does anyone know if RP have to stick to the W10 copy for next year? I’d assume that they cannot use a copy of this years W11 as they are not allowed to change the car.

The evolution has departed from the W11, anyway. They will build from this car.

[BRG]

Jo Ramirez is prettiness personified. 

And he says that you are rather lovely too.

[Neno]

The evolution has departed from the W11, anyway. They will build from this car.

they will still get suspension and break ducts from W11. they will build from that rest of the car. 

Edited by Neno, 14 December 2020 - 14:07.

[Myrvold]

Does anyone know if RP have to stick to the W10 copy for next year? I’d assume that they cannot use a copy of this years W11 as they are not allowed to change the car.

They cant use the W11. However, every part they can legally buy doesnt affect the upgrade tokens IIRC.

[markelov74]

Just been looking at qualifying comparisons where "This is calculated by comparing the best times of a pair of team mates in the last part of each qualifying session where both set a time."

https://www.racefans...ualifying-data/
https://www.racefans...ualifying-data/

Average qualifying gap at Racing point:
2019 - 0.127s in Perez favour
2020 - 0.052s in Perez favour

If we're assuming that Stroll struggles to work out which way up to hold the steering wheel then I guess he'd need a stable, easy-to-drive car to get as close as he has to Perez in terms of outright pace.

The 2020 gap is only so close because of the wet sessions. In the dry it’s more akin to 3 tenths

[shure]

From what I saw from RP20 it should suits Seb's style extremely well. If he somewhat regains 2013 form, Stroll will be left in a dust.

I would anticipate Vettel should be comfortably ahead of Stroll.  It's one thing to get pummeled by Leclerc who may well be a generational talent, but you'd have to assume that a x4 WDC should be markedly better than both Stroll and Perez, neither of whom have really ever been talked of as special drivers.  Vettel should be owning Stroll tbh

[Mercstar]

Stroll cost the team P3 with his lacklustre second half of the season.

[DanardiF1]

Stroll cost the team P3 with his lacklustre second half of the season.

That will happen.

[BRG]

Vettel should be owning Stroll tbh

You'd think so, wouldn't you?  You would have said that this time last year too, and look what happened.  So the jury is out on this one.  Personally, I think Vettel might be in for yet another nasty surprise.  First Ricciardo, then Leclerc, and then - horror of horrors - the rich kid.

[MikeTekRacing]

Vettel was so massively annoying for me at Red Bull with Multi-21 saga, and the way they were treating Webber (turkey incident and others), then at Ferrari with some antics like Baku with lewis ..he seemed to just stop using his brain

he's way more human and nice recently. i wish he actually does really well...

[DanardiF1]

You'd think so, wouldn't you?  You would have said that this time last year too, and look what happened.  So the jury is out on this one.  Personally, I think Vettel might be in for yet another nasty surprise.  First Ricciardo, then Leclerc, and then - horror of horrors - the rich kid.

A reset should be good for Vettel, but I agree that with his last season at Ferrari being so abject (it was his worst ever points haul for a full season and that includes 2008 with the old system) we don't know whether he's just in need of new surrounds and he can get back on it again, or he's past it... Stroll is in some ways a good marker for this because on paper he should be easily beaten by Vettel, just as he was easily beaten by Perez and Massa.

[Collective]

And he says that you are rather lovely too.

LOL never noticed that had gotten corrected.

[Collective]

Even if Vettel doesn't recover his top form, he should still be very comfortably ahead. Pérez hauled 66% of the points, I'm expecting a similar breakdown with Seb, and that's with a more normal number of DNFs from Stroll than this year, if he DNFs as much as in 2020, it should be like 85-15.

[absinthedude]

Stroll isn't a bad benchmark. Many observers reckoned that Perez would steamroller him....and while Perez is certainly better, he hasn't totally owned stroll's ass. Lance seemed to suffer the after effects of covid and is certainly not as good all round as Checo....but he's pretty handy. I doubt Vettel will walk all over him in the manner that, for example, Leclerc walked over Vettel this year. For Seb, to score 65% of Aston's points next year would be a good result to aim for.

[baddog]

Stroll isn't a bad benchmark. Many observers reckoned that Perez would steamroller him....and while Perez is certainly better, he hasn't totally owned stroll's ass. Lance seemed to suffer the after effects of covid and is certainly not as good all round as Checo....but he's pretty handy. I doubt Vettel will walk all over him in the manner that, for example, Leclerc walked over Vettel this year. For Seb, to score 65% of Aston's points next year would be a good result to aim for.

 

He pretty much has though. Its easy to overrate Stroll's performance this year but apart from a bit of wet form he has been pretty dismal in the 2nd/3rd best car on the grid. 11th place in the championship is as bad as it gets.

 

I will be shocked and consider Seb a spent force if he doesn't just wipe the floor with Lance.

[Collective]

He pretty much has though. Its easy to overrate Stroll's performance this year but apart from a bit of wet form he has been pretty dismal in the 2nd/3rd best car on the grid. 11th place in the championship is as bad as it gets.

 

I will be shocked and consider Seb a spent force if he doesn't just wipe the floor with Lance.

And before people bring up DNF/DNS (6 for Stroll, 1 caused by him, 1 COVID, 4 no fault), let's remember Checo had his engine blow up in a drive to a podium and in Abu Dhabi, plus two COVID absences. And from the 4 no-fault retirements by Stroll, only in Mugello he was running ahead of Pérez. His ass was absolutely handed to him, hence my expectation that Seb will make it beyond embarrassing.