75 replies to this topic

[Dutchrudder]

This track is always attritional, I’m guessing Australia is a little easier on the cars so they get to sort out the bits that show signs of excessive wear before running over these serious kerbs.

The thing that astounds me is that they still push track limits even though they know they are shaking the cars to pieces.

[ray b]

what does a gearbox sensor read on the M-B temp, lube level, or something else ?

[Myrvold]

This track is always attritional

 

Eh, last year all cars finished.

[rolf123]

What's so punishing about the kerbs? Not particularly high. Is it the shape of them that makes things oscillate over them dub-dub-dub-dub noise?

[cpbell]

First race of the season on a punishing circuit. I'd put it down to that.

Felt like the old days.

[SonGoku]

Apparently it's circuit related according to Wolff, so be ready next weekend. The cars take such a beating that after a certain amount of laps the engine or gearbox has had enough.

[Jordan44]

I have really missed unreliability we should encourage it more.

Easy solution, cap allowed Dyno running time or "mileage"
Reliability got insane with these V6's because they literally have an engine running 24/7 now without any restrictions. They could use it as much as they like, but only a certain theoretical distance, that way they can develop power but not verify reliability.

Edited by Jordan44, 05 July 2020 - 20:51.

[NotAPineapple]

what does a gearbox sensor read on the M-B temp, lube level, or something else ?

At a guess the most critical sensors are probably shift barrel or fork position. If there is a problem there then the gearbox controller won't know when the shift is over and the second clutch can be closed.

[Ickx]

Easy solution, cap allowed Dyno running time or "mileage"
Reliability got insane with these V6's because they literally have an engine running 24/7 now without any restrictions. They could use it as much as they like, but only a certain theoretical distance, that way they can develop power but not verify reliability.

Reliability improved massively overall beginning in the early 00. Larger attention on reliability is part of it but I bet engineering methods and computing power to improve calculations have been as important. Of course, the rules also require parts to be reused now.

[sopa]

If such a thing happens out of nowhere, you have to look at factors that have changed. It's not about the circuit, because they have raced in Austria in past seasons too. It's not necessarily about being the 1st race of the season either, because opening races of the season haven't had high attrition rates in the past decade apart from 2015 (also 11 finishers).

 

So what it is about? Lockdown of factories and possibly reduced personnel at the race weekend, which has caught teams unprepared. Does this mean F1 is now again a wee bit less professional with all the restrictions it has had plus in a situation in which F1 has hit economic crisis too with several teams looking for investors? Either way, whatever it is, looks great for racing. Reminds the old days in which you aren't sure, who is going to retire.

 

Or perhaps this race was a one-off and teams will be more 'safeguarded' for the next race weekend, taking more precautions with their limitations and lack of preparation.

[Ivanhoe]

I propose a grid penalty if your engine doesn't fail at least once every 7 races.

[Rediscoveryx]

The "part X must last Y races" rules really need to go. With a cost cap (of sorts) in place, there really is no need for a rule that by design makes the races less enjoyable to watch. Let those who value longevity spend their budget on improving reliability while other who value outright performance can spend it on building fragile warp ships.

[statman]

It still lacked the exploding engines of old. That was always spectacular.

 

Formula 2 had a nice flame-throwing engine failure yesterday morning

[balmybaldwin]

Apparently it's circuit related according to Wolff, so be ready next weekend. ...

but we are at the same track?

[balmybaldwin]

If such a thing happens out of nowhere, you have to look at factors that have changed. It's not about the circuit, because they have raced in Austria in past seasons too. It's not necessarily about being the 1st race of the season either, because opening races of the season haven't had high attrition rates in the past decade apart from 2015 (also 11 finishers).

 

So what it is about? Lockdown of factories and possibly reduced personnel at the race weekend, which has caught teams unprepared. Does this mean F1 is now again a wee bit less professional with all the restrictions it has had plus in a situation in which F1 has hit economic crisis too with several teams looking for investors? Either way, whatever it is, looks great for racing. Reminds the old days in which you aren't sure, who is going to retire.

 

Or perhaps this race was a one-off and teams will be more 'safeguarded' for the next race weekend, taking more precautions with their limitations and lack of preparation.

I'd be amazed if it wasn't merely that they are going to a punishing track 1st without the benefit of lots of running on less punishing tracks to find the issues with mounts, wiring looms etc

[SB]

What was all that about? 9 DNFs,

 

Sound like those good old days to me. I love these unpredictably in the races !

[grunf77]

Imola used to be car breaker. 

[Spillage]

I've no idea why it happened but long may it continue. It made what would otherwise have been a routine Mercedes 1-2 into a genuine thriller.

[Dutchrudder]

Eh, last year all cars finished.

I stand corrected, said the man in the orthopaedic shoes.

[tbones]

Imola used to be car breaker. 

or the good old days of the engines going ka-bloey headed down the straights at the old hockenhiem

[ARTGP]

I don't mind mechanical DNFs, but I prefer the theatrics. Like massive smoke plumes and tire explosions.

 

Cars just "losing drive" because of some electrical connection looks like amateur hour.

Edited by ARTGP, 07 July 2020 - 22:16.

[pdac]

or the good old days of the engines going ka-bloey headed down the straights at the old hockenhiem

 

Yeah, I hate those sensors they now have that cause the race engineer to come on the radio and say "park the car and switch off the engine now".

[ARTGP]

Yeah, I hate those sensors they now have that cause the race engineer to come on the radio and say "park the car and switch off the engine now".

 

To be fair. These power units now go for 20-30million a pop. A far cry from a naturally aspirated V8,V10,V12 of yesterday.

 

You can hardly blame them for being kind of anxious about it as these engines are not disposable by any means.

Edited by ARTGP, 07 July 2020 - 22:51.

[w1Y]

People will love mechanical issues until their driver suffers from it or the person they dont want to win benefits from it.

I prefer races to be won on track, not through mechanical issues

[pdac]

To be fair. These power units now go for 20-30million a pop. A far cry from a naturally aspirated V8,V10,V12 of yesterday.

 

You can hardly blame them for being kind of anxious about it as these engines are not disposable by any means.

 

All you're saying is fireworks cost more than they used to.

[ARTGP]

All you're saying is fireworks cost more than they used to.

 

Edited by ARTGP, 07 July 2020 - 23:40.