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[pitlanepalpatine]

That picture looks so weird without all sorts of colourful lines on it.
 

 

First thought that crossed my mind when I saw it 

[HeadFirst]

Regardless of everything else Stroll completed a pass all four wheels off track which is reason enough for a penalty. Add in the question marks about rejoining unsafely too. Would love to know how they reached the verdict of a racing incident. Maybe they were watching The wacky races cartoon at the time...

No idea why Renault didn't appeal this unless they couldn't.

 

Perhaps too busy making their protest of the RP car, no time to protest the driver too.

[HeadFirst]

Maybe he did it to try at get as far away as possible from Stroll as quickly as possible just in case...

 

just in case .... it was the "Torpedo" making the pass.

[MaxScelerate]

You just have to ask yourself, what if there was a wall, gravel or grass instead of tarmac? 

If there was a wall, gravel or grass, they'd both have braked much earlier.  If Stroll was still too enthusiast, he'd touch the wall and Ricciardo'd undercut him like he should have done anyway if he didn't also carry too much speed in the dang corner.

[MikeTekRacing]

If there was a wall, gravel or grass, they'd both have braked much earlier.  If Stroll was still too enthusiast, he'd touch the wall and Ricciardo'd undercut him like he should have done anyway if he didn't also carry too much speed in the dang corner.

 

same corner, 19 years ago

https://www.youtube....SVvS5oM&t=1m20s

[goldenboy]

If there was a wall, gravel or grass, they'd both have braked much earlier. If Stroll was still too enthusiast, he'd touch the wall and Ricciardo'd undercut him like he should have done anyway if he didn't also carry too much speed in the dang corner.

Ricciardo didn't carry too much speed, he was blocked by Stroll.

[MikeTekRacing]

Ricciardo didn't carry too much speed, he was blocked by Stroll.

i also think he committed to the turn in before noticing the crazy  lunge, hence he  could not try a late turn in - switch

[gowebber]

same corner, 19 years ago

https://www.youtube....SVvS5oM&t=1m20s

 

Nice find. It needs to be like that again so Playstation passing attempts like Strolls have an actual deterrent seeing as the stewards won't punish off track passes properly anymore.

Edited by gowebber, 15 July 2020 - 10:53.

[goldenboy]

same corner, 19 years ago
https://www.youtube....SVvS5oM&t=1m20s

That makes me feel old... 19 years already wtf

[aportinga]

Every move risks a crash, but the issue here is how both of them had to go completely off the track.

 

Yup...

 

Wonder when dad is gonna make his team mate slow down.

[MaxScelerate]

Ahhh yes, like the last few years, right?

[goldenboy]

Ahhh yes, like the last few years, right?

True, I don't recall any time that there has been anger at Stroll getting any favouritism, but I haven't followed that closely.

[MikeTekRacing]

True, I don't recall any time that there has been anger at Stroll getting any favouritism, but I haven't followed that closely.

he was also miles behind most of the time, pretty pointless to ask for favoritism. 

If he's able to  be in the mix...who knows. It might happen  that he wants favors, it might not. He  might even get them or he might not.

[MaxScelerate]

he was also miles behind most of the time, pretty pointless to ask for favoritism. 

If he's able to  be in the mix...who knows. It might happen  that he wants favors, it might not. He  might even get them or he might not.

He was the same .2-.3 second behind Perez, Q in, Q out, as always.   But yeah, who knows.

[Heyli]

Palmer's analysis is out (apparently the full version is now only available on F1 TV though?). He was quite surprised this wasnt a penalty fwiw.

[Dolph]

FIA now = Force India Assistance. Oh wait, they are now Racing Point. Never mind. 

[Mc_Silver]

It was a slam dunk penalty for Stroll. No question about it.

[AustinF1]

Ricciardo says it's "crystal clear" Stroll's last-lap pass broke rules

 

 

...

 

“I’ve never wanted to have the rules so tight that it discourages us to race,” he said. “I don’t want it that we’re driving on eggshells and scared to pull the trigger.

 

“But there’s trying and also, I think, failing. I think both of us went off-track. Me because if I turn in, we crash. But he also brought himself off the track with us.

 

“So he tried a move, which he was completely in his right to do, so I left room – which I guess I shouldn’t have – but he obviously tried and because we both went off I see that as a failed attempt so the positions should have been given back.

 

“For me that’s pretty crystal clear. I think if he made the corner and squeezed me off, then I accept that and that’s a move. But to get both of us off that’s where it’s like I don’t see how that works in any situation I guess.

 

“We’ll talk about it in the drivers’ briefing and see everyone’s opinion. I can’t see any driver saying that’s a clean move like that’s how it’s going to work because it never ends up like that.”

 

...

 

“I don’t think it was Lance’s intention to take both of us off,” he said. “I’m sure when he went down the inside he knew it was going to be tight because it was already quite narrow and he came from a fair way back. I don’t think he expected or wanted both of us to go off-track.

 

“But obviously he kept his foot into it and [thought] if I get a penalty I do and if not I’ll claim the move.”

 

Ricciardo expects the other drivers will see the incident the same way. “I don’t think it’s something that necessarily you need to do discuss with the drivers like ‘that was a dirty move, what were you thinking?’ It’s more that this needs to be spoken to as a group with us drivers and the stewards together to try and education everyone on what we thing is right and wrong.

 

“But I don’t expect to see Lance go and do it this weekend and think that he’s going to get away with it all the time. That’s where we need a talk probably on Friday in the drivers’ briefing.”

 Agree completely with every point from Dan here. The bold bit is really it in a nutshell. It was a failed attempt. Had Stroll given the position back, we wouldn't even be having this conversation. He didn't give it back, so he should have been penalized for that, and probably for rejoining unsafely.

[danstheman]

It seems the FIA now agree with Dan...

 

https://www.autospor...ove-differently

 

Do they really review each incident with the same level of scrutiny? Fairly lazy to assume it was the same type of incident as Max and Leclerc 2019. Surely even a quick look at the onboard showed that 1. Lance didn't make the corner, unlike Max and 2. Dan steered off track to avoid hitting Lance, not because he outbroke himself.

[FLB]

It seems the FIA now agree with Dan...

 

https://www.autospor...ove-differently

 

Do they really review each incident with the same level of scrutiny? Fairly lazy to assume it was the same type of incident as Max and Leclerc 2019. Surely even a quick look at the onboard showed that 1. Lance didn't make the corner, unlike Max and 2. Dan steered off track to avoid hitting Lance, not because he outbroke himself.

Oh dear God, the (redacted) stewards have just lost whatever credibility they had left This isn't funny anymore.

[pitlanepalpatine]

It seems the FIA now agree with Dan...

 

https://www.autospor...ove-differently

 

Do they really review each incident with the same level of scrutiny? Fairly lazy to assume it was the same type of incident as Max and Leclerc 2019. Surely even a quick look at the onboard showed that 1. Lance didn't make the corner, unlike Max and 2. Dan steered off track to avoid hitting Lance, not because he outbroke himself.

 

Well considering they can't tell when a car is on or off the track it explains their adjudication of track limits.

 

I'm too lazy to edit it, but it reminds me of this old Paypal joke...you get the idea

[Quickshifter]

So McLaren lost 2 points and Renault lost 2 points. Stewards taking 2 years to figure out what was a slam dunk penalty.

[AustinF1]

This is nothing short of remarkable...

 

 

"It doesn't help me now, or a few days ago, but I think that they are aware that there's a difference between that incident and the Leclerc/Verstappen incident last year, and that's that's the big one, it's the same corner. And it's still a very different outcome of the incident. So I think they're aligned with that now, it's not the same. At first, I think they did feel it was the same, which is why the initial penalty wasn't given."

I mean really. Think about that for a moment. An incident that almost everyone here could instantly see was very different from VER-LEC was seen by the stewards as being the same.

 

Wow.

Edited by AustinF1, 18 July 2020 - 23:20.

[Retrofly]

This is nothing short of remarkable...

 

I mean really. Think about that for a moment. An incident that almost everyone here could instantly see was very different from VER-LEC was seen by the stewards as being the same.

 

Wow.

That honestly sounds like they kind of looked at it and talked each-other out of giving a pen. Pure incompetence. I glad that actually changed their decision or view of the incident but it shouldn't have happened int he first place.

[LoudHoward]

I bet the next person to get a penalty for completing a pass while going off track will be Dan lol.

[gowebber]

Good one FIA and stewards. One week too late. We all got it but they didn't. Staggering incompetence.

Edited by gowebber, 19 July 2020 - 00:51.